Robert Hubbs

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I'm really impressed with the way the team has progressed this year since the first few games of these season, especially Moore. I didn't give him a second thought at the beginning of the season, but he's really growing. Richardson is a rock-solid player with shut-down defense and a great mid-range game, he flies under the radar. and Stokes! He finally learned how to play through double-teams and make teams pay for it. It's also really nice to see McRae step up and be the scorer that everyone knew he had the potential for.
 
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zansdad said:
Be interesting to see how minutes break down next year. If Golden, Hubbs, McRae, Richardson, Stokes and Maymon all average exactly 30 minutes. That means there will only be 20 other MPG to go around total.
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I'd be surprised if all six guys avg 30 mpg. Foul trouble, slumps, and situational play will probably even it out to more like 25 mpg/per player.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'd be surprised if all six guys avg 30 mpg. Foul trouble, slumps, and situational play will probably even it out to more like 25 mpg/per player.
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I think trae and Jarnell will. Jeronne may not be able to, who knows, or he may get eased in. I expect McRae, Hubbs and Richardson to be right at 30.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'd be surprised if all six guys avg 30 mpg. Foul trouble, slumps, and situational play will probably even it out to more like 25 mpg/per player.
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This year has had all that and right now for McRae, Richardson, Stokes, and Golden those numbers are (in order) 32,30,28,28. Those numbers will only creep up during the last 2 weeks of the season.
 
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zansdad said:
This year has had all that and right now for McRae, Richardson, Stokes, and Golden those numbers are (in order) 32,30,28,28. Those numbers will only creep up during the last 2 weeks of the season.
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Yea Golden's is below 30 because of his injury, all 4 will be over 30 at years end.
 
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zansdad said:
This year has had all that and right now for McRae, Richardson, Stokes, and Golden those numbers are (in order) 32,30,28,28. Those numbers will only creep up during the last 2 weeks of the season.
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I still have a hard time believing six guys do it next year, but we will see. I would have to think our quality of depth sucks to warrant playing six guys that many minutes. If we do it, I just hope we don't fade down the stretch.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I still have a hard time believing six guys do it next year, but we will see. I would have to think our quality of depth sucks to warrant playing six guys that many minutes. If we do it, I just hope we don't fade down the stretch.
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I'm not saying they will, I'm just speculating on the math. However, I am going to say that outside of Moore and the 6 I have mentioned who do you feel has shown they are going to step up and take the minutes? And is 30 minutes a game really that much to ask of your main contributors?
 
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zansdad said:
I'm not saying they will, I'm just speculating on the math. However, I am going to say that outside of Moore and the 6 I have mentioned who do you feel has shown they are going to step up and take the minutes? And is 30 minutes a game really that much to ask of your main contributors?
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Trying to avoid a swiperboy curse right here, but I kinda expect the Davis kid to eat up 10-20. Not sayin he will be a 30mpg guy, but hopefully a good roll player right away.
 
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GoobieVol said:
Trying to avoid a swiperboy curse right here, but I kinda expect the Davis kid to eat up 10-20. Not sayin he will be a 30mpg guy, but hopefully a good roll player right away.
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Maybe, but hard to see where he gets that many minutes. I guess it's a good problem to have.
 
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zansdad said:
I'm not saying they will, I'm just speculating on the math. However, I am going to say that outside of Moore and the 6 I have mentioned who do you feel has shown they are going to step up and take the minutes? And is 30 minutes a game really that much to ask of your main contributors?
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I think Yemi and AJ Davis have to play from a depth standpoint. Stokes and Maymon can't man the post all game long, and even in a four guard lineup, they still need breaks. So, those two, in addition to Moore, and I have to think Landry (and/or Thompson if we truly pursue and land him) will get token minutes at PG until they prove an inability to handle it.

There are just so many scenarios that could affect players' minutes, it's nearly impossible to predict. Without having done any national research, I'd be willing to say that less than 10% of Div. 1 teams have 5 guys averaging 30 mpg, let alone 6 guys.

In the SEC, Vandy comes closest to even having 5 guys near the 30 minute benchmark, with averages of 32, 31, 29, 28, & 27. Alabama has 4 guys playing 27+ minutes. UK, who I would have expected to be closest due to Cal's tendencies, only has 4. You touched on Tennessee's players. We have 4 guys playing 27+ minutes.

As you can see, of the shallowest and most top-heavy teams in the SEC, only 1 team cones remotely close to meeting the metric of 5 players averaging 30 mpg, let alone 6.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I still have a hard time believing six guys do it next year, but we will see. I would have to think our quality of depth sucks to warrant playing six guys that many minutes. If we do it, I just hope we don't fade down the stretch.
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This team had 4 guys at 30+ and 2 right near 30, if it wasn't for blowouts they likely would've been also.

Kentucky Wildcats 2011-12 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - Men's College Basketball - ESPN


This Missouri State team also had 4 guys at 30+ and another close to 30.

Missouri State Bears 2010-11 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - Men's College Basketball - ESPN


IMO if you have the horses to do it then do it. Now, it is unlikely that all 6 will average 30mpg at seasons end, but I could see it in conference and tournament play. There will be early games where some of them will see 15-20 minute in blowout wins and that lowers their average obviously.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I think Yemi and AJ Davis have to play from a depth standpoint. Stokes and Maymon can't man the post all game long, and even in a four guard lineup, they still need breaks. So, those two, in addition to Moore, and I have to think Landry (and/or Thompson if we truly pursue and land him) will get token minutes at PG until they prove an inability to handle it.

There are just so many scenarios that could affect players' minutes, it's nearly impossible to predict. Without having done any national research, I'd be willing to say that less than 10% of Div. 1 teams have 5 guys averaging 30 mpg, let alone 6 guys.

In the SEC, Vandy comes closest to even having 5 guys near the 30 minute benchmark, with averages of 32, 31, 29, 28, & 27. Alabama has 4 guys playing 27+ minutes. UK, who I would have expected to be closest due to Cal's tendencies, only has 4. You touched on Tennessee's players. We have 4 guys playing 27+ minutes.

As you can see, of the shallowest and most top-heavy teams in the SEC, only 1 team cones remotely close to meeting the metric of 5 players averaging 30 mpg, let alone 6.
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Again, I'm not arguing for these 6 guys to log that many minutes. I am really working off BTO's comment that Richardson, Hubbs and McCrae will all get 30+ minutes. (Which isn't too big a stretch in my opinion). If those 3 guys get those kind of minutes, then playing time every where else in the line up is going to be at a premium.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
This team had 4 guys at 30+ and 2 right near 30, if it wasn't for blowouts they likely would've been also.

Kentucky Wildcats 2011-12 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - Men's College Basketball - ESPN


This Missouri State team also had 4 guys at 30+ and another close to 30.

Missouri State Bears 2010-11 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - Men's College Basketball - ESPN


IMO if you have the horses to do it then do it. Now, it is unlikely that all 6 will average 30mpg at seasons end, but I could see it in conference and tournament play. There will be early games where some of them will see 15-20 minute in blowout wins and that lowers their average obviously.
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Correction: That UK team had 4 guys over 30 and 1 guy close. The other averaged 26 mpg, which is closer to 25 than 30, but I digress. UK is the one team thst I figured would buck the trend for the reasons I stated in my last post. Cal, historically at UK, has had a short bench, and I honestly was surprised they weren't closer to the mark this year.

Again, I think it is contrary to the norm to have 5 guys averaging 30+ mpg (let alone 6), so providing me with two examples over three years time isn't exactly proof-positive otherwise. I realize there will be cases in which it happens, and there may even be a case(s) of 6 guys doing it, but trust me, it hasn't happened often.

Bottom line, I will be shocked if we see it happen at Tennessee next year. Feel free to disagree, but with the understanding that history trends against it.
 
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zansdad said:
Again, I'm not arguing for these 6 guys to log that many minutes. I am really working off BTO's comment that Richardson, Hubbs and McCrae will all get 30+ minutes. (Which isn't too big a stretch in my opinion). If those 3 guys get those kind of minutes, then playing time every where else in the line up is going to be at a premium.
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That's fine, but you asked my opinion on where I thought the minutes would go, so I answered. The numbers I provided were simply to illustrate the spread of minutes among other teams in the SEC this year as a diagram for why I don't see 6 guys logging 90% of the minutes semi-equally across the board.

I could be wrong, and Tennessee bucks the trend, and rides their six horses into the dirt next year.
 
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Most people know I am a HUGE Hubbs fan. I have been watching this kid progress for years.So I will love to see him play as much as possible. However, after thinking about it coming off the bench when he gets here may be the best thing for him. He will have the opportunity to greatly heighten his mental approach, because athletically he is already there. Seeing plays develop and how to attack defenses early will be of greater importance.
 
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orangelo said:
Most people know I am a HUGE Hubbs fan. I have been watching this kid progress for years.So I will love to see him play as much as possible. However, after thinking about it coming off the bench when he gets here may be the best thing for him. He will have the opportunity to greatly heighten his mental approach, because athletically he is already there. Seeing plays develop and how to attack defenses early will be of greater importance.
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I agree.
 
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orangelo said:
Most people know I am a HUGE Hubbs fan. I have been watching this kid progress for years.So I will love to see him play as much as possible. However, after thinking about it coming off the bench when he gets here may be the best thing for him. He will have the opportunity to greatly heighten his mental approach, because athletically he is already there. Seeing plays develop and how to attack defenses early will be of greater importance.
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Yeah, J. Rich and Mcrae deserve to be the initial starters. But a good problem to have would be for Hubbs to be so good we just could keep him out of the starting lineup. And if he was, Richardson would likely be the one that would come off the bench. Small ego hit, but he seems like such a good kid he would be fine with that.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Correction: That UK team had 4 guys over 30 and 1 guy close. The other averaged 26 mpg, which is closer to 25 than 30, but I digress. UK is the one team thst I figured would buck the trend for the reasons I stated in my last post. Cal, historically at UK, has had a short bench, and I honestly was surprised they weren't closer to the mark this year.

Again, I think it is contrary to the norm to have 5 guys averaging 30+ mpg (let alone 6), so providing me with two examples over three years time isn't exactly proof-positive otherwise. I realize there will be cases in which it happens, and there may even be a case(s) of 6 guys doing it, but trust me, it hasn't happened often.

Bottom line, I will be shocked if we see it happen at Tennessee next year. Feel free to disagree, but with the understanding that history trends against it.
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Like I said in my last few sentences, it's unlikely I agree that we'll have 6 average 30+ for a season. However, I wouldn't be surprised if 5 averaged 30+ for conference play with a 6th being very close.
 
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GoobieVol said:
Yeah, J. Rich and Mcrae deserve to be the initial starters. But a good problem to have would be for Hubbs to be so good we just could keep him out of the starting lineup. And if he was, Richardson would likely be the one that would come off the bench. Small ego hit, but he seems like such a good kid he would be fine with that.
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Here's why I don't see it really being an issue, no matter who starts all 3 can still get 30 minutes a night if their play warrants it.
 
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He might even spell Golden at the point some. That would be more minutes for him too. He seems to have better handles than Mcrae. Dont think he would have over 60 TO's at this point in the season. lol
 
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GoobieVol said:
He might even spell Golden at the point some. That would be more minutes for him too. He seems to have bettle handles than Mcrae. Dont think he would have over 60 TO's at this point in the season. lol
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Have watched Robert several times and he is not a point. You don't want to screw around with a talent like this just put him in his natural position and let him go.
 
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orangelo said:
Most people know I am a HUGE Hubbs fan. I have been watching this kid progress for years.So I will love to see him play as much as possible. However, after thinking about it coming off the bench when he gets here may be the best thing for him. He will have the opportunity to greatly heighten his mental approach, because athletically he is already there. Seeing plays develop and how to attack defenses early will be of greater importance.
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Orangelo I have seen the kid multiple times myself and he is Baby Wade in my opinion This kid reminds me a lot of Dwade with a better jump shot. Dwade was ranked barely in the Top100 coming out of high school. His game developed quickly while at Marquette. Hubbs has the work ethic and high basketball IQ that will make him an elite player in college. With Hubbs and a heathly Maymon back this team has a chance to be real special next year.
 
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wtorange said:
Have watched Robert several times and he is not a point. You don't want to screw around with a talent like this just put him in his natural position and let him go.
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You are correct. Hubbs will not be at the point next year. Landry will give Tennessee what it needs at the back up position. I frankly don't care where he ranks in the recruiting service bs. Landry is an elite defender,super ball handler and great facilitator. We will have enough scorers on this team next year,so don't worry about the numbers. This staff will work on his jump shot and fine tune it.
 
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