Robert Hubbs

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bleedingTNorange said:
Exactly. I don't get the "if he doesn't start" he's a disappointment stance. McRae will be a senior and josh a junior who's been a starter each year...being the 6th man is where Hubbs should be.
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I have a weird feeling Hubbs will be compared to Hopson whether good or bad. If he can put up the numbers Hopson put up and be consistent he's easily a first round pick, but I want him as a sixth man next year. Make the second unit run through him. He could feast.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I'm sorry. I thought he was a bit higher on Rivals. He's #15 on rivals and #15 on 247. I'll edit my post to say top 15 player if it makes you feel better.

Point remains. He's a top 15-20 player coming in to play on a team that has offensive woes. He should start over Richardson or Trae. I understand people saying "well, JRich won't just concede his spot." But to me, if the kid is even close to his billing, he should be starting sooner than later.
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I don't understand why people assume that since Joe Blow at Rivals says he's top-15, that somehow that will equate to enough success to unseat a junior starter with two years in the system, when he has not even stepped foot on campus.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I don't understand why people assume that since Joe Blow at Rivals says he's top-15, that somehow that will equate to enough success to unseat a junior starter with two years in the system, when he has not even stepped foot on campus.
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Because basketball rankings are way more accurate than football. They watch these kids for years in AAU. They get to see them head to head, against top flight talent. They are able to project better. And it isn't just one guy at Rivals. This kid could have went to anywhere in the nation to play hoops including Duke. He's not a slouch. You guys are questioning whether he starts over an average player on a below average team in a dreadful conference.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I really just don't get the difference between him playing 30 minutes off the bench or 30 minutes as a starter, sorry.
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Don't know that there is one. I don't know why you think the kid won't be starting. How long did it take Jarnell to crack the starting lineup last season? Every kid is different, but every 5* player we have gotten in recent years would start for this team. Tobias would, Jarnell does, Scotty would.

You'd have to go back to Duke and Ramar before you could even consider a 5* frosh who wouldn't start for this team. Personally, I think the freshman Ramar Smith would start for this team. Maybe not sophomore Ramar. Freshman Duke would not start over Jeronne and Jarnell.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Because basketball rankings are way more accurate than football. They watch these kids for years in AAU. They get to see them head to head, against top flight talent. They are able to project better. And it isn't just one guy at Rivals. This kid could have went to anywhere in the nation to play hoops including Duke. He's not a slouch. You guys are questioning whether he starts over an average player on a below average team in a dreadful conference.
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I'm sorry, but it's highly unlikely that Hubbs comes in and takes Richardson's, McRae's, or Golden's starting spot. Besides, he could start, only play 15 mins, and be much less effective if he came off the bench to play 25. In any case, it comes down to how many mpg you get, not at what point you enter the game.

Unless he's the 2nd coming of D. Wade, it may be more advantageous for us to bring him off the bench, as the offense can be run through him when McRae and Golden are out.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I'm sorry, but it's highly unlikely that Hubbs comes in and takes Richardson's, McRae's, or Golden's starting spot. Besides, he could start, only play 15 mins, and be much less effective if he came off the bench to play 25. In any case, it comes down to how many mpg you get, not at what point you enter the game.

Unless he's the 2nd coming of D. Wade, it may be more advantageous for us to bring him off the bench, as the offense can be run through him when McRae and Golden are out.
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Fair point. And if that is the case, then it's understandable to bring him off the bench. I still say you get your best players on the court to start with (which I think he will be) and then play them the most minutes. Sure there's situations where a 6th man is more valued than starters. I just think we are a lot less talented than people realize. In my opinion, this kid will be a starter here before long.
 
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Yeah. I think Hubbs is good enough to start from day one but lucky for us, having these older guys is going to make it that much more sweeter so he can adjust to the college game more effectively. Can't wait to see this kid in UT orange!!!
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Fair point. And if that is the case, then it's understandable to bring him off the bench. I still say you get your best players on the court to start with (which I think he will be) and then play them the most minutes. Sure there's situations where a 6th man is more valued than starters. I just think we are a lot less talented than people realize. In my opinion, this kid will be a starter here before long.
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The talent/depth issues are not on the wing though. They are PG and in the post (at least this year). A person could argue about UT's depth at the wing position, but the 2 guys starting are on par with the rest of the SEC. I agree Hubbs may start at some point next year, but it's not like he is going to be penciled into that spot as soon as he steps on campus.
 
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OJ said:
Hubbs is already better than a couple of our starters.
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I agree. But just because he's better doesn't mean he's the best option. These other guys have been in the system longer and have a chemistry. I still think he cracks the starting spot or at least logs starter minutes before the end of the season but no way he comes in getting it.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Because basketball rankings are way more accurate than football. They watch these kids for years in AAU. They get to see them head to head, against top flight talent. They are able to project better. And it isn't just one guy at Rivals. This kid could have went to anywhere in the nation to play hoops including Duke. He's not a slouch. You guys are questioning whether he starts over an average player on a below average team in a dreadful conference.
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I realize he was highly recruited. What 5* kid isn't, regardless of sport. I'm just cautioning you to temper expectations until he at least gets to school amd practices with the current players. There are a lot of intangible things that can affect a freshman. Being away from home for the first time, intense schedule (both academic and athletic), social issues, etc. These things are handled well by some, and not by others. By all accounts, Hubbs is a good kid from a good family. He likely comes in, adjusts, and is a great ballplayer. I just think the learning curve for him is different than someone who has two plus years experiencing the same things.

Richardson is better than average. Our team next year is better than below average, and the SEC is not dreadful. Don't exaggerate the circumstances to further your point.

Lets just wait and see what Hubbs does before we are reading a bunch of "Hubbs is a bust..." comments because everyone expected the next DWade.
 
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OJ said:
Hubbs is already better than a couple of our starters.
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In the abstract, yes. But since I don't see Hubbs playing PG or PF or C I don't see how it matters much that he might be better than Golden or Hall or Stokes. I don't see how you expect him to put up better numbers than McRae is right now. That leaves Richardson who has been the only real consistent performer on the team this year.
 
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zansdad said:
The talent/depth issues are not on the wing though. They are PG and in the post (at least this year). A person could argue about UT's depth at the wing position, but the 2 guys starting are on par with the rest of the SEC. I agree Hubbs may start at some point next year, but it's not like he is going to be penciled into that spot as soon as he steps on campus.
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Agree. Outside of perimeter shooting (which is not Hubbs' strength either), our wings are upper SEC-level talent. If he were a lights out shooter, I could see him coming in and making an immediate impact, and possibly putting Richardson or McRae as the 6th man.
 
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zansdad said:
In the abstract, yes. But since I don't see Hubbs playing PG or PF or C I don't see how it matters much that he might be better than Golden or Hall or Stokes. I don't see how you expect him to put up better numbers than McRae is right now. That leaves Richardson who has been the only real consistent performer on the team this year.
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Agree 100%. If Hubbs were a PG or post player, it would be a different story.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Fair point. And if that is the case, then it's understandable to bring him off the bench. I still say you get your best players on the court to start with (which I think he will be) and then play them the most minutes. Sure there's situations where a 6th man is more valued than starters. I just think we are a lot less talented than people realize. In my opinion, this kid will be a starter here before long.
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I say that's extremely possible :good!:

It's not like it's gonna be a bad thing if Hubbs deserves to start lol (as long as that doesn't mean that Golden, McRae, and Richardson are injured/sucking).
 
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cncchris33 said:
Richardson is better than average. Our team next year is better than below average, and the SEC is not dreadful. Don't exaggerate the circumstances to further your point.

Lets just wait and see what Hubbs does before we are reading a bunch of "Hubbs is a bust..." comments because everyone expected the next DWade.
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Your definitions of average, dreadful must differ from mine. Richardson is a nice player. I love his toughness and I feel like he is an overachiever which I think all fans love. That said, he is limited. And I'm not just picking on his ability to score. I think he is a better scorer than most give him credit for. Is he an above average player for THIS year's UT team? Absolutely. And I wasn't necessarily speaking of Richardson. I think Trae is an average SEC player, all things considered. I think he has games where he plays well above average. I think the team feeds off his play (good or bad). But all things considered, his play has been average at best this year. He is slower than many opposing guards and has been really off shooting this year at times. His FT% has dropped as well.

The SEC is going to put at max 4 teams in the dance. Maybe just 2 teams. Auburn, Vandy, Georgia, Miss St, South Carolina, LSU, Arkansas are bad basketball teams. We have been pretty lousy ourselves. This league sucks this year.

All this "Hubbs won't start" talk is people trying to hedge against those that will call him a bust if he doesn't meet their expectations. My expectations are that he will play a huge role for this team. Does that mean he will be Michael Jordan? Absolutely not. But there's a big difference in being MJ and gaining a starting spot for a team that is currently 5-6 in a bad conference.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Your definitions of average, dreadful must differ from mine. Richardson is a nice player. I love his toughness and I feel like he is an overachiever which I think all fans love. That said, he is limited. And I'm not just picking on his ability to score. I think he is a better scorer than most give him credit for. Is he an above average player for THIS year's UT team? Absolutely. And I wasn't necessarily speaking of Richardson. I think Trae is an average SEC player, all things considered. I think he has games where he plays well above average. I think the team feeds off his play (good or bad). But all things considered, his play has been average at best this year. He is slower than many opposing guards and has been really off shooting this year at times. His FT% has dropped as well.

The SEC is going to put at max 4 teams in the dance. Maybe just 2 teams. Auburn, Vandy, Georgia, Miss St, South Carolina, LSU, Arkansas are bad basketball teams. We have been pretty lousy ourselves. This league sucks this year.

All this "Hubbs won't start" talk is people trying to hedge against those that will call him a bust if he doesn't meet their expectations. My expectations are that he will play a huge role for this team. Does that mean he will be Michael Jordan? Absolutely not. But there's a big difference in being MJ and gaining a starting spot for a team that is currently 5-6 in a bad conference.
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Maybe Golden is average. He certainly is an average, at best, PG, which is not his natural position. But Hubbs isn't a PG, so I don't see what Golden has to do with a conversation about whether or not Hubbs starts. If Hubbs starts next year, it will be at the expense of McRae or Richardson, or on the slight chance we play small ball and run with 4 guards.

All your scenarios about this player being average, our team being below average, and our conference being dreadful, are predicated on this season's results. Hubbs isn't eligible until next season, and all things considered, I think we are an above average team next season. We lose two seniors who are the worst players logging major minutes at their respective positions.

I think the conference improves as well. Florida will be as good or better. UK, Vandy, Tennessee, Bama, and Arkansas should all be vastly improved. Mississippi and Missouri might tail off a bit (NCAA could hurt Mizzou's efforts). The rest is a crapshoot. I see those first six teams making the 2014 tourney as of now, without knowledge of early entrees, transfers, injuries, etc.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Don't know that there is one. I don't know why you think the kid won't be starting. How long did it take Jarnell to crack the starting lineup last season? Every kid is different, but every 5* player we have gotten in recent years would start for this team. Tobias would, Jarnell does, Scotty would.

You'd have to go back to Duke and Ramar before you could even consider a 5* frosh who wouldn't start for this team. Personally, I think the freshman Ramar Smith would start for this team. Maybe not sophomore Ramar. Freshman Duke would not start over Jeronne and Jarnell.
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So why does it matter who starts? If Hubbs is gonna get 30 minutes as a start or off the bench why on earthy does it matter? Jordan McRae was a top 50 recruit, but 3* Richardson was starting over him. Devonta Pollard is a 5* frosh that comes off the bench for Bama...
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Fair point. And if that is the case, then it's understandable to bring him off the bench. I still say you get your best players on the court to start with (which I think he will be) and then play them the most minutes. Sure there's situations where a 6th man is more valued than starters. I just think we are a lot less talented than people realize. In my opinion, this kid will be a starter here before long.
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No it's not about who starts the game, it's about who ends the game.
 
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