Robert Ayers number 1 DE in draft according to Mayock

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lets hope so, i expect him to represent the Vols well at the next level. congrats to robert.
 
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No way he beats the FSU DE. That guy is an athletic specimen. But Ayers deserves whatever comes his way, he was a class act and a hard worker.
 
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I can believe that Ayers is the #1 DE. He's got the fact that he's an SEC defensive player on his side.
 
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I agree the majority of the DE's that are better are tweeners (Everette Brown- 6'4 252 lbs.). However, the only two that I see that are better are Orakpo and Johnson but with a good combine ayers could pass them too.
 
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he's another perfect example of a vol with unlimited potential that was never realized by the previous regime, but will go to the pro's and play in the pro bowl
 
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voltilifall said:
he's another perfect example of a vol with unlimited potential that was never realized by the previous regime, but will go to the pro's and play in the pro bowl
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how many examples of that are there really? He was 1st team all-SEC so he showed something while at UT. Or do you mean he did it despite the coaches since they were terrible at putting DL in the pros
 
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voltilifall said:
he's another perfect example of a vol with unlimited potential that was never realized by the previous regime, but will go to the pro's and play in the pro bowl
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I disagree. He simply didn't have anyone to compliment him. Ayer's problem in my eyes was that he took too long to show how good he is.
 
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tim said:
I disagree. He simply didn't have anyone to compliment him. Ayer's problem in my eyes was that he took too long to show how good he is.
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my point exactly he's showing his incredible talent now but he never had a significant chance to show it on the field until last year due to fulmer's resistance to playing young talent over "his players"
 
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voltilifall said:
my point exactly he's showing his incredible talent now but he never had a significant chance to show it on the field until last year due to fulmer's resistance to playing young talent over "his players"
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he's showing it now so he can earn a huge paycheck. Any real examples of others being held back by Fulmer's "system"? I'm sure Berry is pissed he was held on the bench so long
 
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utvolpj said:
he's showing it now so he can earn a huge paycheck. Any real examples of others being held back by Fulmer's "system"? I'm sure Berry is pissed he was held on the bench so long
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just look at the vols excelling in the pro's and think back to when they were in school...many of the top nfl vols i.e. albert haynesworth were only decent at best while at ut
 
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tim said:
I disagree. He simply didn't have anyone to compliment him. Ayer's problem in my eyes was that he took too long to show how good he is.
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Pretty sure he some problems early on. Didn't have a very good work ethic, maybe missed some classes. It would have been nice to see more of him in 2007.
 
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voltilifall said:
just look at the vols excelling in the pro's and think back to when they were in school...many of the top nfl vols i.e. albert haynesworth were only decent at best while at ut
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Haynesworth was a head case in college but still made the frosh AA team. The top Vols still left in the NFL had pretty good careers at UT. They were also playing behind much more talent. There have been plenty of young players on the field the last few years but you want to stick to your baseless point.
 
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Brian Orakpo, Everette Brown, Aaron Maybin, then Johnson and Ayers. Ayers could and probably will rise because of the Combine, but he's not #1.
 
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utvolpj said:
Haynesworth was a head case in college but still made the frosh AA team. The top Vols still left in the NFL had pretty good careers at UT. They were also playing behind much more talent. There have been plenty of young players on the field the last few years but you want to stick to your baseless point.
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His point is not baseless, it is rooted in tons of facts, he's just not presenting any specific examples, so let me help out:

1. Robert Meachem playing behind CJ Fayton and other receivers bc/ they were a year or 2 older
2. Robert Ayers not starting his junior year, playing behind Antonio Reynolds and Xavier Mitchell, who had his career highlight against Airforce (c'mon now!)
3. Vinson behind Deangelo Willingham (the shirt pulling master!)
4. Lennon creer behind everybody...
5. Montario Hardesty behind arian Foster, sometimes Montario didn't play AT ALL

There are so many examples of guys playing just bc/ they are a year or 2 older........I'm not saying that it's an absolute science, but Fulmer liked to play a senior over a talented so. or jr. even when the younger player would be an All-pro NFL guy, and the older guy wouldnt' even make it......guess he had his reasons......

I think that's waht the poster was trying to say, and he has some valid points, I believe.........;)
 
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tabrams said:
His point is not baseless, it is rooted in tons of facts, he's just not presenting any specific examples, so let me help out:

1. Robert Meachem playing behind CJ Fayton and other receivers bc/ they were a year or 2 older
2. Robert Ayers not starting his junior year, playing behind Antonio Reynolds and Xavier Mitchell, who had his career highlight against Airforce (c'mon now!)
3. Vinson behind Deangelo Willingham (the shirt pulling master!)
4. Lennon creer behind everybody...
5. Montario Hardesty behind arian Foster, sometimes Montario didn't play AT ALL

There are so many examples of guys playing just bc/ they are a year or 2 older........I'm not saying that it's an absolute science, but Fulmer liked to play a senior over a talented so. or jr. even when the younger player would be an All-pro NFL guy, and the older guy wouldnt' even make it......guess he had his reasons......

I think that's waht the poster was trying to say, and he has some valid points, I believe.........;)
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I don't think there was extreme favoritism. I think you cannot always start the most talented players, because it takes much more than that to succeed at the college level. Ayers seemed to me like a pass-rush specialist as a junior, and not as complete of a player as he is now. Some freshmen come ready to play, and some (like Meachem) don't. If Fulmer really went after age first, then as someone said earlier, Berry would not be starting as a freshman. I don't think you can say that Meachem as a sophomore would have the type of impact that Berry did.
 
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CJ Fayton would have helped the 2005 team out a lot had he been healthy the entire year. He was one of the only consistent guys on the team. Vinson played behind DeAngelo because of discipline issues. Lennon Creer has proven jack crap at this point. He got the start against Wyoming. Wow, we need us some more of that. The Vols have lost virtually every game in which Montario received more carries than Foster. Another reason he hasn't played that much is because he's had injuries. Even when he got to play a lot, he's had some nagging injury that bothered him.
 
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I mean, going into 2007, Mitchell and Reynolds were viewed as All-SEC candidates. It wasn't just Fulmer that liked them. Vinson was trying to make the switch from WR midseason, and Foster was Preseason All-SEC this year. Of course he would be our started after rushing for 1193 yards and 12 TDs. Then this year, when he started to make mistakes, he came out. I don't see a problem there.
 
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tabrams said:
His point is not baseless, it is rooted in tons of facts, he's just not presenting any specific examples, so let me help out:

1. Robert Meachem playing behind CJ Fayton and other receivers bc/ they were a year or 2 older
2. Robert Ayers not starting his junior year, playing behind Antonio Reynolds and Xavier Mitchell, who had his career highlight against Airforce (c'mon now!)
3. Vinson behind Deangelo Willingham (the shirt pulling master!)
4. Lennon creer behind everybody...
5. Montario Hardesty behind arian Foster, sometimes Montario didn't play AT ALL

There are so many examples of guys playing just bc/ they are a year or 2 older........I'm not saying that it's an absolute science, but Fulmer liked to play a senior over a talented so. or jr. even when the younger player would be an All-pro NFL guy, and the older guy wouldnt' even make it......guess he had his reasons......

I think that's waht the poster was trying to say, and he has some valid points, I believe.........;)
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the only one you listed that might have merit would be Meachem. Creer? The man love for him is reaching Crompton-before-seeing-him-play levels
 
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