Ride This One Out

#51
#51
Coug said:
"The people that followed Fulmer(Kiffin, Dooley) those were mistakes. Now you've got the third guy after Fulmer and you've got to ride this one out. Certainly this season can be rescued but really if you look at it big picture wise next season is the one that TN should really be aiming for. That's when the talent should cycle up and have enough experience to really compete for division titles."

David Climer - The Tennessean
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Honestly, next season is "the one TN should really be aiming for" because we've, plain and simply, already blown this one. Should be sitting st 5-0 with the opportunity to have a special 10-2 season which would've been exceeding expectations by a game or 2. Instead, we're now gonna struggle to get bowl eligible. Besides, if the pattern holds true, we're gonna be a younger team with less experience next year.
 
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#53
#53
I just want to see some better play calling on offense. Mesh, slants, curls, etc. The deep sideline and screens are old.I bet we throw more in a game than most teams in a season. How about some play action, and qb under center. This has been crazy
 
#57
#57
I don't get the fascination with chip kelly either. It was a nice parlor trick, but he has been figured out.

I had a moment of clarity this morning. I suddenly realized, people have different reasons for being vol fans. I just assumed we were on the same page, or never thought about it before, but we are here for different reasos aren't we? The reasons I've identified so far are,

1: appreciation for the game

2: vested interest

3: love of violence (bloodhounds, sharks, meatheads, whatever you want to call them)

So, That is why we all don't see eye to eye. We are here for different reasons. Some of us can afford to be more patient than others.
 
#58
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Coug said:
"The people that followed Fulmer(Kiffin, Dooley) those were mistakes. Now you've got the third guy after Fulmer and you've got to ride this one out. Certainly this season can be rescued but really if you look at it big picture wise next season is the one that TN should really be aiming for. That's when the talent should cycle up and have enough experience to really compete for division titles."

David Climer - The Tennessean
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Talent is good but they still need good teachers to help them improve. Game day decisions have been questionable for last 3 years in big games but this year it is more noticeable because we should be winning games that we gave away. Butch is an Awesome recruiter but as a coach I have zero confidence in most of the staff and his coaching.
 
#60
#60
I think we have the best coach we can get for 2 million. Thats all the administration is willing to pay so what are we talking about. I hope Climer is correct.
 
#61
#61
honest question, is it possible that UT's program was a bigger pile of **** when Butch took over than any of us could subjectively state?
 
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Volumnus 2011 said:
Said the same thing about Fulmer. Said the same thing about Dooley.

How quickly we forget.
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Seriously, I can't believe some people think it's just snap your fingers, new coach and voila, 10 win seasons are automatic. Haven't we learned from the past 7 seasons?

There's maybe 5 coaches that can be counted on for 10 win seasons more often than not, and none of them are leaving their current gig.
 
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Unimane said:
Bryant had already won at Kentucky and Texas A&M, plus only lost 1 game his third year at Bama and Dooley was as overrated a coach as we've ever had in the SEC. He won very little without Herschel Walker.
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Vince Dooley was a pretty good coach you idot
 
#64
#64
Why are all sports sites, channels, and reporters unreliable unless they are saying what we want to hear to strengthen our argument? I'm on neither side of this debate, just making an observation. When they were hyping us preseason, BR and SDS were getting all kinds of love here that was missing when they printed the opposite in the past. I've never seen Climer given any credit til now.
 
#65
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Ol-Smokey said:
i've not made my mind up on cbj,those losses to ok and fl made me need a donor so i could keep bleeding orange,but i chalk it mostly up to preseason hype,anyway after the ok game i gave fl 3 and was hoping i'd be wrong,and still lost that bet.(i gamble on 20 games a week mostly SEC and top 25 teams its been a wild ride so far,been doin it for years love it)I didn't know who to bet on AK vs TN cause of AK seasoned team and they were hungry,but so were we,so i didn't bet on the game........any way cbj is here may as well get over it,the want buy him out til at least after 2017,my only worry is everyone says wait til next or even next year(s) when our boys fill out,and i think so will everyone in the east there all young and 2nd rate compared to most elite programs right now,anyway food for thought it should be fun watching the east grow in the next few years games should be great to watch too....and because GA now knows where they stand(I THOUGHT THEY WERE OVER RATED)and there moral is low and we should be very hungry i've got TN by 10...:twocents::boobies:
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PRESEASON HYPE? PRESEASON HYPE? Was a 14 pt 4th quarter lead bc of preseason hype? Was a 13 pt 4th quarter lead bc of preseason hype? We're pissed at the coaches that have enough talent to out score their opponents for over 45 minutes, then fall on their faces due to inept decisions. No amount of player maturity or skill will change the math on when to go for 2. No improvements on the O-line will be able to beat 8 men stacked in the box. This coaching staff is incompetent and still hasn't learned how to win.
 
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What coach in his right mind is going to jump on board if Butch is fired after being allowed to only get 2 recruiting classes and 3 seasons to prove himself? Nationally, the whole situation would be more toxic than Chernobyl. There is a difference between being passionate fans and being illogical fools.

Face it, there is no chance Butch gets fired unless we miss a bowl. The program has been in an up trend ever since Butch came on board and anyone that can't see that is blind. This has always been a 7-8 win team at best that was hyped into oblivion in the pre-season.
 
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Seriously the nonsense and bullsh*t has to stop. The stories are getting wilder and weirder. We have gone from the typical SEC flavor fan post loss meltdown to a whole new level of crazy. Lumping in the President and AD to fire. Crowdergate and suggestions of a cover up. Ongoing vicious personal attacks on coaches beyond simply being humorous and having a little fun. Unchecked the wheels will come off on the season and recruiting. Criticism and accountability are good so long as it is reasonable, responsive to the circumstances and based on corroborated facts. Otherwise it is just an open ended witch hunt creating lots of unintended consequences.

We are in effect cutting off our noses to spite our faces. Welcome to the modern era of public noise, A small percentage of the base inflicts uninformed opinions and unconfirmed gossip on everyone. This affects real people and the quality of the product on the field.
 
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lilesrt said:
A competent athletic director would fire Butch Jones when he has a better coach willing to take the job. You don't fire a coach, and then start scrambling to find whoever will take the job. Good hires involve perfect timing, which takes a sense of proactiveness.

Let me tell you how Tennessee will operate...

Instead of getting a feel for the Chip Kelly/Jon Gruden situation and then letting that dictate IF you fire Butch Jones, Dave Hart will keep him another year, Chip Kelly will leave Philly and probably take the Texas or SC job, and Tennessee will fire Butch Jones at the end of the 2016 season. One year too late, and then replace Him with another 2 Million per year Mid-Major coach. That is exactly what will happen.

Giving Butch Jones one more year isn't going to fix his inability to win. Winners win and losers lose. Butch Jones hasn't improved in 3 years, why will four matter? Even if he does improve... Is 7-8 wins in year 4 acceptable? With Tennessee's resources I tend to say no.
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Butch won plenty before coming to save this dumpster fire. So your theory is a little flawed. Plus, this is uncharted territory for rebuilds. Attempt to bring a school back to title contention in the best league in CFB with A roster that was literally no better than UK or Vandy. Oh, and do it in 30 games. The only school in this league that is comparable and has achieved in recent times is Ole Miss...and I'm not sure their roster was as depleted as ours. But he did one hell of a job.
 
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08Vol said:
PRESEASON HYPE? PRESEASON HYPE? Was a 14 pt 4th quarter lead bc of preseason hype? Was a 13 pt 4th quarter lead bc of preseason hype? We're pissed at the coaches that have enough talent to out score their opponents for over 45 minutes, then fall on their faces due to inept decisions. No amount of player maturity or skill will change the math on when to go for 2. No improvements on the O-line will be able to beat 8 men stacked in the box. This coaching staff is incompetent and still hasn't learned how to win.
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Some of you need to go back 5 years and watch us play Oregon, Bama, Atkansas, Ole Miss where we were competitive for the first quarter or so and then we got rolled in the second half. Why did that happen? No Depth. Our starters could compete, but Phil noted a long time ago that it is 22-80 in your lineup that wins championships. That is why games with lesser conferences are competitive for 2-3 quarters. Guys wear down regardless of scheme and in spite of adjustments. The top tier of the SEC is always at least 2 and often 3 deep at every position.
 
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#72
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Coug said:
"The people that followed Fulmer(Kiffin, Dooley) those were mistakes. Now you've got the third guy after Fulmer and you've got to ride this one out. Certainly this season can be rescued but really if you look at it big picture wise next season is the one that TN should really be aiming for. That's when the talent should cycle up and have enough experience to really compete for division titles."

David Climer - The Tennessean
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Climer is always negative on our program. If he says this, he has more credibility than a whole bus full of cheer leading sunshine pumpers.

So...yeah.
 
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VolFootballIsLife said:
Butch won plenty before coming to save this dumpster fire. So your theory is a little flawed. Plus, this is uncharted territory for rebuilds. Attempt to bring a school back to title contention in the best league in CFB with A roster that was literally no better than UK or Vandy. Oh, and do it in 30 games. The only school in this league that is comparable and has achieved in recent times is Ole Miss...and I'm not sure their roster was as depleted as ours. But he did one hell of a job.
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Good post. Our talent and depth is much improved, but at Bama Phillips, Tuttle, KMac, Kirkland Williams are red shirted and then groomed before they are platooned. We are throwing them in the fire because we have no alternatives. Then when they make mistakes we are scourging the coaches for not coaching them up (fast enough). We are a freshmen-sophomore dominated lineup.
 
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