Ride This One Out

#26
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lilesrt said:
A competent athletic director would fire Butch Jones when he has a better coach willing to take the job. You don't fire a coach, and then start scrambling to find whoever will take the job. Good hires involve perfect timing, which takes a sense of proactiveness.

Let me tell you how Tennessee will operate...

Instead of getting a feel for the Chip Kelly/Jon Gruden situation and then letting that dictate IF you fire Butch Jones, Dave Hart will keep him another year, Chip Kelly will leave Philly and probably take the Texas or SC job, and Tennessee will fire Butch Jones at the end of the 2016 season. One year too late, and then replace Him with another 2 Million per year Mid-Major coach. That is exactly what will happen.

Giving Butch Jones one more year isn't going to fix his inability to win. Winners win and losers lose. Butch Jones hasn't improved in 3 years, why will four matter? Even if he does improve... Is 7-8 wins in year 4 acceptable? With Tennessee's resources I tend to say no.
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I'm not sure Kelly would be successful in the SEC. Probably wrong tho.
 
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northknoxvol said:
I don't know about you but we have been waiting for "next year" for a long time around here.....look at UF, Kentucky getting wins very early in their coaches tenure.....next year the freshman playing will be sophomores and the same excuses will be used.
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Who has Kentucky beaten?

Oh yeah, South Carolina
 
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lilesrt said:
A competent athletic director would fire Butch Jones when he has a better coach willing to take the job. You don't fire a coach, and then start scrambling to find whoever will take the job. Good hires involve perfect timing, which takes a sense of proactiveness.

Let me tell you how Tennessee will operate...

Instead of getting a feel for the Chip Kelly/Jon Gruden situation and then letting that dictate IF you fire Butch Jones, Dave Hart will keep him another year, Chip Kelly will leave Philly and probably take the Texas or SC job, and Tennessee will fire Butch Jones at the end of the 2016 season. One year too late, and then replace Him with another 2 Million per year Mid-Major coach. That is exactly what will happen.

Giving Butch Jones one more year isn't going to fix his inability to win. Winners win and losers lose. Butch Jones hasn't improved in 3 years, why will four matter? Even if he does improve... Is 7-8 wins in year 4 acceptable? With Tennessee's resources I tend to say no.
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I remember you suggesting Jones as a good replacement for Dooley.
 
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OLEVOLFAN said:
If and thats a big if they were to fire butch, then they need to throw all the money they possibly can to Dabo Swinney and make him say no!! And even then not sure he would leave clemson anyway.
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May I have the envelope please...........

And the winner of the most absurd post of the day goes to........(insert drum roll) :thud:
 
#30
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Coug said:
"The people that followed Fulmer(Kiffin, Dooley) those were mistakes. Now you've got the third guy after Fulmer and you've got to ride this one out. Certainly this season can be rescued but really if you look at it big picture wise next season is the one that TN should really be aiming for. That's when the talent should cycle up and have enough experience to really compete for division titles."

David Climer - The Tennessean
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I agree 100% BUT this team should still be 5-0
 
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Coug said:
"The people that followed Fulmer(Kiffin, Dooley) those were mistakes. Now you've got the third guy after Fulmer and you've got to ride this one out. Certainly this season can be rescued but really if you look at it big picture wise next season is the one that TN should really be aiming for. That's when the talent should cycle up and have enough experience to really compete for division titles."

David Climer - The Tennessean
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I can not believe I agree with Climer. I'm dumbfounded.:blink:
 
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Coug said:
"The people that followed Fulmer(Kiffin, Dooley) those were mistakes. Now you've got the third guy after Fulmer and you've got to ride this one out. Certainly this season can be rescued but really if you look at it big picture wise next season is the one that TN should really be aiming for. That's when the talent should cycle up and have enough experience to really compete for division titles."

David Climer - The Tennessean
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It's always next year....ground hog
 
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Coug said:
"The people that followed Fulmer(Kiffin, Dooley) those were mistakes. Now you've got the third guy after Fulmer and you've got to ride this one out. Certainly this season can be rescued but really if you look at it big picture wise next season is the one that TN should really be aiming for. That's when the talent should cycle up and have enough experience to really compete for division titles."

David Climer - The Tennessean
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no thanks. I don't think jones will learn how to coach ever so there is no real reason to give the excuse maker another year.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
you mean someone is going to get lucky. Because that's what it takes...right place at the right time. This isn't even football of the nineties. This is insanity. ESPN turned college ball into a pro sport with pro expectations placed on kids. The money has out and out ruined the game.You get 6 months...then your judged. If you lose a game you are OUT!
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I know what you mean! Its an instant gratification society that want wins now and if you don't win 7-10 games a year you should be fired. They would have never survived the 80s and the Major era. Sometimes, players have to mature and grow up. Unfortunately its a fact of life. ESPN has a lot to answer for, but better coaching and winning would have silenced a lot of the chatter too.
 
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We don't need to replace ANOTHER coach right now... That is exactly what we do not need to do. I'm just as mad PO'd and frustrated as anybody else but changing coaches right now is not the answer. Everyone has been saying 2016 is the year but if Jones goes 2016 will become 2018 or 2019. Also remember in the late 60s people wanted Bear Bryant fired from Alabama in the late 70s people wanted Dooley fired from Georgia in the early 90s people wanted Beamer fired from Virginia Tech. I'm pretty sure all three of those coaches worked out fairly well for their school
 
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There are a lot of problems they'd have to clean up for next year to be really good. There are issues across the board. Butch gets his 4 or 5 though anyway, unless they totally tank or they get pictures of him sleeping with someone's sister.
 
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volboy81 said:
We don't need to replace ANOTHER coach right now... That is exactly what we do not need to do. I'm just as mad PO'd and frustrated as anybody else but changing coaches right now is not the answer. Everyone has been saying 2016 is the year but if Jones goes 2016 will become 2018 or 2019. Also remember in the late 60s people wanted Bear Bryant fired from Alabama in the late 70s people wanted Dooley fired from Georgia in the early 90s people wanted Beamer fired from Virginia Tech. I'm pretty sure all three of those coaches worked out fairly well for their school
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These coaches weren't incompetent.
 
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i've not made my mind up on cbj,those losses to ok and fl made me need a donor so i could keep bleeding orange,but i chalk it mostly up to preseason hype,anyway after the ok game i gave fl 3 and was hoping i'd be wrong,and still lost that bet.(i gamble on 20 games a week mostly SEC and top 25 teams its been a wild ride so far,been doin it for years love it)I didn't know who to bet on AK vs TN cause of AK seasoned team and they were hungry,but so were we,so i didn't bet on the game........any way cbj is here may as well get over it,the want buy him out til at least after 2017,my only worry is everyone says wait til next or even next year(s) when our boys fill out,and i think so will everyone in the east there all young and 2nd rate compared to most elite programs right now,anyway food for thought it should be fun watching the east grow in the next few years games should be great to watch too....and because GA now knows where they stand(I THOUGHT THEY WERE OVER RATED)and there moral is low and we should be very hungry i've got TN by 10...:twocents::boobies:
 
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volboy81 said:
We don't need to replace ANOTHER coach right now... That is exactly what we do not need to do. I'm just as mad PO'd and frustrated as anybody else but changing coaches right now is not the answer. Everyone has been saying 2016 is the year but if Jones goes 2016 will become 2018 or 2019. Also remember in the late 60s people wanted Bear Bryant fired from Alabama in the late 70s people wanted Dooley fired from Georgia in the early 90s people wanted Beamer fired from Virginia Tech. I'm pretty sure all three of those coaches worked out fairly well for their school
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Bryant had already won at Kentucky and Texas A&M, plus only lost 1 game his third year at Bama and Dooley was as overrated a coach as we've ever had in the SEC. He won very little without Herschel Walker.
 
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Next year never seems to come does it? We are all tired of "next year" get a good coach and next year will be a thing of the past.
 
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Coug said:
"The people that followed Fulmer(Kiffin, Dooley) those were mistakes. Now you've got the third guy after Fulmer and you've got to ride this one out. Certainly this season can be rescued but really if you look at it big picture wise next season is the one that TN should really be aiming for. That's when the talent should cycle up and have enough experience to really compete for division titles."

David Climer - The Tennessean
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We get all that but for next season to really be the one it would be nice to see that coming with at least beating the teams we are supposed to this season.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Who? Who are we going to get?
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Gruden and Peyton Manning eventually... $200,000,000 should get them both for 10 years. These 2 are the only hope for Tennessee to actually win another National Championship in College Football.
 
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Unimane said:
Bryant had already won at Kentucky and Texas A&M, plus only lost 1 game his third year at Bama and Dooley was as overrated a coach as we've ever had in the SEC. He won very little without Herschel Walker.
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He was saying people wanted Bryant fired in the late sixties. After he had already won three national titles.
 
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