Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

[The Dog]

Warlick Barnes’ deal was pre-NIL, our next coach will get 7+!

"I wonder, does she think she's being clever". Every time, I see you post that name, it reminds me of that verse, in "Nobody" by Sylvia. Then, I stop reading the post

 

[beachvol23]

"I wonder, does she think she's being clever". Every time, I see you post that name, it reminds me of that verse, in "Nobody" by Sylvia. Then, I stop reading the post[/QUOTE

Any sense of humor is helpful Would Karen (Weekly) Barnes be better for you? Does that help you understand their late season fades and tournament failures?

 

[The Dog]

Any sense of humor is helpful Would Karen (Weekly) Barnes be better for you? Does that help you understand their late season fades and tournament failures?

Hell, might as well add Josh and Tony, also. Not making it to the CWS as the #1 seed, 2 and out the year before that. Then that colossal choke job/blowout against a bad 'Cocks team when we were a CFP lock. Might as well just group 'em in all together except for Pat, Fulmer and Neyland because none of 'em have won sh!t.

 

[WaywardVol]

Hell, might as well add Josh and Tony, also. Not making it to the CWS as the #1 seed, 2 and out the year before that. Then that colossal choke job/blowout against a bad 'Cocks team when we were a CFP lock. Might as well just group 'em in all together except for Pat, Fulmer and Neyland because none of 'em have won sh!t.

The difference is Barnes has been a HC since 1987, has been at three power 5 programs and yet has a losing record in the tourney. Do you really think Heupel and TonyV will have those results after 30+ years?

Plus, baseball is likely the hardest sport to win it all. Tony has essentially already made it to the equivalent of final 4 in getting to the CWS. You may argue 8 doesn’t equal 4, but that would be a failure to understand each sport.

 

[walkenvol]

"I wonder, does she think she's being clever". Every time, I see you post that name, it reminds me of that verse, in "Nobody" by Sylvia. Then, I stop reading the post

I finally pulled the ignore card over that name

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Tennessee is tied for 5th longest NCAAT streak in the nation

 

[WaywardVol]

I'm not going to speak for the kid or his family I just know I would be frustrated. Either play me or red shirt me. This wishy washy stuff would be annoying

Barnes seems to have plenty of water carriers over here.

 

[CAVPUT]

Tennessee is tied for 5th longest NCAAT streak in the nation

Says something. Why can't we just enjoy the here and now with Barnes? Tomorrow will take care of itself.

 

[cncchris33]

Barnes seems to have plenty of water carriers over here.

There's plenty of your ilk, as well. Look for them to crawl from under their rocks following losses, every time we don't land a recruit, whenever we fail to take a local kid (Glover), or they don't garner starter minutes the second they walk on campus (Edwards), or we take them too early in the recruiting process (Pember), or they transfer and find success at a much lower level (also Pember), or....

Complainers are gonna complain.

 

[WaywardVol]

There's plenty of your ilk, as well. Look for them to crawl from under their rocks following losses, every time we don't land a recruit, whenever we fail to take a local kid (Glover), or they don't garner starter minutes the second they walk on campus (Edwards), or we take them too early in the recruiting process (Pember), or they transfer and find success at a much lower level (also Pember), or....

Complainers are gonna complain.

I’m a Tennessee fan. I want UT to do well. Coaches come and go. Barnes is a good coach but he has huge blind spots. It’s pretty normal in the sporting world to have more fans speak out when things aren’t going well. Barnes has been set up by the committee to silence his naysayers. This is as good a trajectory to the Sweet16 as they could ask for. A completely over matched team in the 1st round and then a blue blood who isn’t very good, but due to their name, you’ll have no problem getting your boys up to play.

 

[knoxvol52]

There's plenty of your ilk, as well. Look for them to crawl from under their rocks following losses, every time we don't land a recruit, whenever we fail to take a local kid (Glover), or they don't garner starter minutes the second they walk on campus (Edwards), or we take them too early in the recruiting process (Pember), or they transfer and find success at a much lower level (also Pember), or....

Complainers are gonna complain.

Who was the last local player in basketball to succeed at Tennessee. anyone remember Doug Roth he was a great local player and what he do at Tennessee.nothing against local young men but most are not power 5 material in sports Mid Majors yes

 

[Kas232323]

There's plenty of your ilk, as well. Look for them to crawl from under their rocks following losses, every time we don't land a recruit, whenever we fail to take a local kid (Glover), or they don't garner starter minutes the second they walk on campus (Edwards), or we take them too early in the recruiting process (Pember), or they transfer and find success at a much lower level (also Pember), or....

Complainers are gonna complain.

I’m playing my own game of jeopardy in this thread. I keep seeing reasonable responses to obviously uneducated posts but I am unable to see those posts. . I’m just guessing the questions (posts from the ignored) based off of your answers. Much more entertaining than reading their nonsense.

 

[brockytop]

“The difference is Barnes has been a HC since 1987, has been at three power 5 programs and yet has a losing record in the tourney.”

Not only that, but Barnes has been at Texas and Tennessee and for 14 straight seasons (not counting the no tournament Covid year) and has been unable to advance past the Sweet Sixteen, which he’s made a whopping one time over that span). There may be one out there, but can you think of another “Hall of Fame” coach with that kind of futility? I sure can’t.

 

[The Dog]

The difference is Barnes has been a HC since 1987, has been at three power 5 programs and yet has a losing record in the tourney. Do you really think Heupel and TonyV will have those results after 30+ years?

Plus, baseball is likely the hardest sport to win it all. Tony has essentially already made it to the equivalent of final 4 in getting to the CWS. You may argue 8 doesn’t equal 4, but that would be a failure to understand each sport.

Dude, I was being an a$$hole like the poster I was responding to

 

[Pennheel]

“The difference is Barnes has been a HC since 1987, has been at three power 5 programs and yet has a losing record in the tourney.”

Not only that, but Barnes has been at Texas and Tennessee and for 14 straight seasons (not counting the no tournament Covid year) and has been unable to advance past the Sweet Sixteen, which he’s made a whopping one time over that span). There may be one out there, but can you think of another “Hall of Fame” coach with that kind of futility? I sure can’t.

Gene Keady comes to mind. A lot of great teams who never made the Final Four. While I get the frustration over not being successful in the tournament, I'd take the chances of getting there and letting things hopefully work out. It's frustrating as a fan so I get it. With a school where basketball hasn't been a big priority until recently, I'd take someone like Barnes right now. Again ,while I get the frustration over the tournament and Barnes, I've enjoyed him putting basketball back on the map at Tennessee.

 

[WaywardVol]

Gene Keady comes to mind. A lot of great teams who never made the Final Four. While I get the frustration over not being successful in the tournament, I'd take the chances of getting there and letting things hopefully work out. It's frustrating as a fan so I get it. With a school where basketball hasn't been a big priority until recently, I'd take someone like Barnes right now. Again ,while I get the frustration over the tournament and Barnes, I've enjoyed him putting basketball back on the map at Tennessee.

Totally understand. Barnes has huge plusses. His hiring almost single handedly concluded that UT would get no penalties for the Tindall thing. Barnes’ teams play hard. They have big regular season wins. Barnes got us our first SEC tourney title in decades. It’s those positives that make his negatives that much more frustrating.

This isn’t a replace Barnes thing. Barnes most interesting comment was being surprised at how much UT fans cared about basketball. Even though our administration often has, We shouldn’t sell ourselves short. Barnes is merely exercising the potential that was always there.

 

[cncchris33]

I’m a Tennessee fan. I want UT to do well. Coaches come and go. Barnes is a good coach but he has huge blind spots. It’s pretty normal in the sporting world to have more fans speak out when things aren’t going well. Barnes has been set up by the committee to silence his naysayers. This is as good a trajectory to the Sweet16 as they could ask for. A completely over matched team in the 1st round and then a blue blood who isn’t very good, but due to their name, you’ll have no problem getting your boys up to play.

If we were playing with a full deck, I'd agree. We lost our most indispensable player, though. And while Duke isn't the Duke of old according to their record, they still have a wealth of talent (6 5* players on their roster). I'd feel better if we had ZZ, but without him, I'm far from calling Duke an automatic W. I won't be disappointed if we lose to them in rd 2. I will, however, be disappointed if we lose to Louisiana.

 

[brockytop]

Gene Keady comes to mind. A lot of great teams who never made the Final Four. While I get the frustration over not being successful in the tournament, I'd take the chances of getting there and letting things hopefully work out. It's frustrating as a fan so I get it. With a school where basketball hasn't been a big priority until recently, I'd take someone like Barnes right now. Again ,while I get the frustration over the tournament and Barnes, I've enjoyed him putting basketball back on the map at Tennessee.

Good memory However, even Keady made an Elite Eight his 14th season at Purdue and then did it again six years later. Maybe Barnes eventually does it here (Made a FF and two EE’s at Texas), but IMO the year we lost to Loyola Chicago was THE blown opportunity.

 

[brockytop]

Totally understand. Barnes has huge plusses. His hiring almost single handedly concluded that UT would get no penalties for the Tindall thing. Barnes’ teams play hard. They have big regular season wins. Barnes got us our first SEC tourney title in decades. It’s those positives that make his negatives that much more frustrating.

This isn’t a replace Barnes thing. Barnes most interesting comment was being surprised at how much UT fans cared about basketball. Even though our administration often has, We shouldn’t sell ourselves short. Barnes is merely exercising the potential that was always there.

Well said

 

[Zues1]

I'm expecting the Vols to drub Louisiana, then lose by 8 to the next opponent. No matter who it is.
Please guys prove me wrong.
The rollercoaster ride continues.

 

[volinSmyrna]

I get it that the tournament (lack of) success is frustrating. However, let me play devil's advocate for a minute. Go back and look at how many times we have been a 4 seed or higher in the tournament. Then look at how many of those teams were coached by a guy "not" named Barnes. He has elevated this program to heights we haven't seen consistently. We should be a Sweet 16 team more often, I get it, but I'm going to enjoy this while we can. Would you rather make a crazy run to the Final 4 and then be a double-digit seed or not even make the tournament for 3-4 years? Give me the consistent wins of the regular season and being a no-doubt single-digit seed with an opportunity to make a run in March. We have caught the crap end of some March mojo for other teams for far too long....our time has to be coming.

 

[Zues1]

I get it that the tournament (lack of) success is frustrating. However, let me play devil's advocate for a minute. Go back and look at how many times we have been a 4 seed or higher in the tournament. Then look at how many of those teams were coached by a guy "not" named Barnes. He has elevated this program to heights we haven't seen consistently. We should be a Sweet 16 team more often, I get it, but I'm going to enjoy this while we can. Would you rather make a crazy run to the Final 4 and then be a double-digit seed or not even make the tournament for 3-4 years? Give me the consistent wins of the regular season and being a no-doubt single-digit seed with an opportunity to make a run in March. We have caught the crap end of some March mojo for other teams for far too long....our time has to be coming.

I'm not sure how old you are but I would love to see anyone take the Vols to a final four in my lifetime.
Not sure how many more years I can keep my fingers crossed.
The volunteer fan base is very loyal and are deserving of at least one FF.

 

[VolArmy74]

I get it that the tournament (lack of) success is frustrating. However, let me play devil's advocate for a minute. Go back and look at how many times we have been a 4 seed or higher in the tournament. Then look at how many of those teams were coached by a guy "not" named Barnes. He has elevated this program to heights we haven't seen consistently. We should be a Sweet 16 team more often, I get it, but I'm going to enjoy this while we can. Would you rather make a crazy run to the Final 4 and then be a double-digit seed or not even make the tournament for 3-4 years? Give me the consistent wins of the regular season and being a no-doubt single-digit seed with an opportunity to make a run in March. We have caught the crap end of some March mojo for other teams for far too long....our time has to be coming.

If those were the only two choices, I'd take the final four, a year as an 11 seed and two missed tournaments vs being a top 4 seed and out in the second year or sooner 4 years in a row.

 

[volbound1700]

Barnes has only been to the tournament 4 times not including this year (we also missed one due to COVID-19).

During that time, he did the following:

2018: As 3 seed, lost to 11 seed Loyola in Second Round (Loyola went to Final Four). The loss was literally on a half-court heeve.
2019: As 2 seed, lost in Sweet 16 to 3 seed Purdue.
2020: COVID-19
2021: As 5 seed, lost to 12 seed Oregon State in first game
2022: As 3 seed, lost to 11 seed Michigan (who was a preseason top 10 team that hit a streak) in a very close game

Frankly, the sampling is not large enough to really say Barnes is a failure, even in the post season.

Billy Donovan went through 7-8 seasons at Florida losing in 1st/2nd round before Finally winning back to back titles. Definitely the last two years were brutal and the 2019 team had a lot of promise to make a Final Four and fell short. I won't lie, we have underachieved but it isn't like we are a disaster or we have had that many opportunities.

Granted, we will see this year how we do.

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

Would you rather make a crazy run to the Final 4 and then be a double-digit seed or not even make the tournament for 3-4 years? Give me the consistent wins of the regular season and being a no-doubt single-digit seed with an opportunity to make a run in March.

It’s the South Carolina question. Tennessee’s first Final Four will be really cool, but unless it’s a national title that berth preceded and followed by mediocrity (at best) just puts you in the same company as a bunch of random programs that have strung four wins (fewer pre-‘85) together.

Barnes isn’t infallible, but what he’s done is position this program for sustained success when they get over the hump and presently has them viewed nationally as a respectable institution.