Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

[Orange.]

That "system" has made it to the final 4.. further than the Barnes system lol..

Have a hot dog. Hang with the 8 year old. Keep a lookout.

 

[VolGee4]

That "system" has made it to the final 4.. further than the Barnes system lol..

Barnes has made a Final Four.

 

[Volprofch05]

Better than if he poled them

Depends on who the crew is

 

[cncchris33]

That "system" has made it to the final 4.. further than the Barnes system lol..

 

[brockytop]

Barnes has made a Final Four.

He’s also not advanced past the Sweet Sixteen in 15 years. Of course, getting to the SS is enough to keep this fan base happy so pressure on RB in that regard.

As for Phillips, I for one hope he stays because there’s a lot of potential there but I will be surprised if he remains at TN.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

That "system" has made it to the final 4.. further than the Barnes system lol..

Barnes has a Final Four.

Give your peep brain a rest.

 

[Vols till I fall]

We are 7 months away from the season and people are already giving Barnes a hard time

 

[Kas232323]

That "system" has made it to the final 4.. further than the Barnes system lol..

Would be helpful if you researched who has made a final four before posting something like this….. credibility……

 

[RyanWalkerPGH]

Jefferson, Carr, Dillione, and Estrella are all players that we would have hung our dreams on a few years ago. I think Dillione and Estrella will contribute meaningfully by January. I think Jefferson might too. A core of Aidoo, ZZ, Phillips and Santi is something we would also be excited about. Somehow that combination isn't enough? We seem to forget Awaka, but he sure showed promise and fire. I don't understand Edwards and his hesitancy, but there is obviously something there. We have a great basis for a top 15 team. It'll take time to find a rhythm, but we'll play good defense, and we'll have more pure shooting. We'll break and drive a lot more. If Phillips returns and is healthy, I believe he can be an entirely different player than this year. With this lineup, he'll also have more room to move. I'd love to land Perry. He is a big time scorer and would change the ceiling. I also think Ludlum is a work horse who can get buckets, rebound and make space. I'm just not going to write off the team even if we only sign Gainey, or sign no one. I like the athleticism and scoring hunger of this team. I think we'll be more fun to watch than any team here in a long time. We'll continue to torture teams with our defense, but will have guns to do something on the other end too. I know Muss's high volatility formula feels exciting, but I still prefer our way.

I get what you're saying, but the ceiling is all that really matters. The staff should be doing everything possible to elevate the program year in and year out. It just feels like there's not a whole lot of urgency to make improvements. It seems to me like Barnes is complacent as long as he gets guys that fit his mold/culture. He probably loves Tyreke Key and what he stands for, but he sucks and didn't help the team. Taking gambles are necessary to get better results at times. If that means throwing a huge bag at a big-time scorer that might be a headache, you take that risk all day.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I get what you're saying, but the ceiling is all that really matters. The staff should be doing everything possible to elevate the program year in and year out. It just feels like there's not a whole lot of urgency to make improvements. It seems to me like Barnes is complacent as long as he gets guys that fit his mold/culture. He probably loves Tyreke Key and what he stands for, but he sucks and didn't help the team. Taking gambles are necessary to get better results at times. If that means throwing a huge bag at a big-time scorer that might be a headache, you take that risk all day.

Even if it results in cultural and lockeroom problems? I think taking completely wild risks makes more sense if/when you’re struggling as a program, we aren’t…

 

[Weezer]

I get what you're saying, but the ceiling is all that really matters. The staff should be doing everything possible to elevate the program year in and year out. It just feels like there's not a whole lot of urgency to make improvements. It seems to me like Barnes is complacent as long as he gets guys that fit his mold/culture. He probably loves Tyreke Key and what he stands for, but he sucks and didn't help the team. Taking gambles are necessary to get better results at times. If that means throwing a huge bag at a big-time scorer that might be a headache, you take that risk all day.

I'm going to say something that others will disagree with, and some will probably call stupid. I think there's more of an urgency to win a championship from the fanbase than there is from the coaching staff. The coaching staff is more dead set on doing things a certain way. We, the fanbase, just want results. I think Rick Barnes is a great coach. But I also think he's set in his ways. There are certain types of players he will never pursue.

 

[TrippieRedd]

I get what you're saying, but the ceiling is all that really matters. The staff should be doing everything possible to elevate the program year in and year out. It just feels like there's not a whole lot of urgency to make improvements. It seems to me like Barnes is complacent as long as he gets guys that fit his mold/culture. He probably loves Tyreke Key and what he stands for, but he sucks and didn't help the team. Taking gambles are necessary to get better results at times. If that means throwing a huge bag at a big-time scorer that might be a headache, you take that risk all day.

bingooooooooooo

Ignore his post about being terrible on the locker room, that’s a terrible response.

 

[TrippieRedd]

I'm going to say something that others will disagree with, and some will probably call stupid. I think there's more of an urgency to win a championship from the fanbase than there is from the coaching staff. The coaching staff is more dead set on doing things a certain way. We, the fanbase, just want results. I think Rick Barnes is a great coach. But I also think he's set in his ways. There are certain types of players he will never pursue.

Bingoooooooo number 2

 

[McGeesPub]

I get what you're saying, but the ceiling is all that really matters. The staff should be doing everything possible to elevate the program year in and year out. It just feels like there's not a whole lot of urgency to make improvements. It seems to me like Barnes is complacent as long as he gets guys that fit his mold/culture. He probably loves Tyreke Key and what he stands for, but he sucks and didn't help the team. Taking gambles are necessary to get better results at times. If that means throwing a huge bag at a big-time scorer that might be a headache, you take that risk all day.

I agree with much of this. College basketball is a ceiling sport (more so than college football for various reason).

I do think Barnes’s success speaks for itself and wouldn’t personally go so far to use complacent, but the portal adds a huge, new element to roster building that I don’t think meshes with his historic approach. I said last year to get a point guard, any point guard in the portal, and I’m quadruply convinced we need to do that this year because we don’t know what we will have in ZZ as a safety net.

 

[RyanWalkerPGH]

Even if it results in cultural and lockeroom problems? I think taking completely wild risks makes more sense if/when you’re struggling as a program, we aren’t…

I'm taking that risk. Some of us would actually like something to look forward to and maybe get to see the team reach the final weekend for the first time in program history. There's nothing exciting about winning 20+ games and bowing out in the first or second weekend yet again.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I'm taking that risk. Some of us would actually like something to look forward to and maybe get to see the team reach the final weekend for the first time in program history. There's nothing exciting about winning 20+ games and bowing out in the first or second weekend yet again.

Lmao ok…how quickly we forget Cuonzo, Buzz or even Bruce ball apparently. Guessing you’re also ready to run off Tony V? Seat getting warm for Heupel too?

 

[RyanWalkerPGH]

Lmao ok…how quickly we forget Cuonzo, Buzz or even Bruce ball apparently. Guessing you’re also ready to run off Tony V? Seat getting warm for Heupel too?

Lmao ok…how quickly we forget Cuonzo, Buzz or even Bruce ball apparently. Guessing you’re also ready to run off Tony V? Seat getting warm for Heupel too?

No one forgets, I know I sure as hell don’t. However, we’ve seen pretty much the same result his entire tenure. Feel like it’s time to look outside the box for Barnes.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

No one forgets, I know I sure as hell don’t. However, we’ve seen pretty much the same result his entire tenure. Feel like it’s time to look outside the box for Barnes.

So that’s a yes, you’re ready to move on from Tony V if this year doesn’t produce something big? Heupel gets what, 2 more years to make a championship game before you pull his plug?

 

[TrippieRedd]

So that’s a yes, you’re ready to move on from Tony V if this year doesn’t produce something big? Heupel gets what, 2 more years to make a championship game before you pull his plug?

He said “to look outside the box”

- Hype killed it in the portal, he looked for better players
- Vitelli killed it in the portal, he looked for better players
- Barnes over here playing with himself

Never once did he say he wanted to pull the plug. Your responses are absolutely ****ing terrible. They only work in your favor.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

I get what you're saying, but the ceiling is all that really matters. The staff should be doing everything possible to elevate the program year in and year out. It just feels like there's not a whole lot of urgency to make improvements. It seems to me like Barnes is complacent as long as he gets guys that fit his mold/culture. He probably loves Tyreke Key and what he stands for, but he sucks and didn't help the team. Taking gambles are necessary to get better results at times. If that means throwing a huge bag at a big-time scorer that might be a headache, you take that risk all day.

The adage in the NBA is that short term success is usually at the expense of long term stability. In college hoops, that is amplified by the roster flip equivalent being yearly. If you’re going to roll like Muss, chances are you’ll have to break some rules and take some risks. Pretending like the ceiling doesn’t sacrifice the foundation, just isn’t true. I don’t dismiss the fact that Muss will have some hits in the tournament, but Barnes model yields a 2019 team. I still contend that they were as likely to go all the way that year as Auburn or UVA. Note that Auburn and UVA are the two sides of the coin. Bennett won with tough D, stable development, and team play. Pearl is obviously much more of a gambler on upside.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

No one forgets, I know I sure as hell don’t. However, we’ve seen pretty much the same result his entire tenure. Feel like it’s time to look outside the box for Barnes.

First SEC Tournament win in 4 decades, a regular season SEC conference championship, and 5 NCAA tournament appearances with 2 sweet sixteens....

I'll take that for the next 10 years if that's the "same results his entire tenure" you're referring to.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

He said “to look outside the box”

- Hype killed it in the portal, he looked for better players
- Vitelli killed it in the portal, he looked for better players
- Barnes over here playing with himself

Never once did he say he wanted to pull the plug. Your responses are absolutely ****ing terrible. They only work in your favor.

There’s more than just the portal to do things, Vitello killed it in the portal and yet they look like a little league team, that’s what you’re wanting for the basket Vols? That makes a ton of sense lmao

 

[TrippieRedd]

There’s more than just the portal to do things, Vitello killed it in the portal and yet they look like a little league team, that’s what you’re wanting for the basket Vols? That makes a ton of sense lmao

AND WHERE WOULD THEY BE IF HE DECIDED TO KEEP HIS PLAYERS AND DIDINT USE THE PORTAL.

Surely to god you’re smarter than this

 

[RyanWalkerPGH]

First SEC Tournament win in 4 decades, a regular season SEC conference championship, and 5 NCAA tournament appearances with 2 sweet sixteens....

I'll take that for the next 10 years if that's the "same results his entire tenure" you're referring to.

You may be content with that. However, alot of us are getting bored with those results. Speaking of bored, the stylistic play of the program hasn't really been enjoyable to watch since Grant & Admiral left.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

He said “to look outside the box”

- Hype killed it in the portal, he looked for better players
- Vitelli killed it in the portal, he looked for better players
- Barnes over here playing with himself

Never once did he say he wanted to pull the plug. Your responses are absolutely ****ing terrible. They only work in your favor.

I used to think of you as a really fair and level-headed poster with some quality insight, but you have really been showing your ass these past two weeks and melting down over basically nothing. You’re being completely ridiculous and unfair towards Barnes. Playing with himself? What are you, 12? Geez man.