Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

[DuckInAPen]

There’s cheating and then there’s Bama and Barn level of cheating. There’s also the untouchable Blue Blood cheating. Like Roy’s fake academic program.

Mpango bandia wa masomo?

 

[CNeagleVolFan]

Sanity is overrated.

Your name suits you.

 

[Zues1]

Pearl WILL NEVER COACH AT TENNESSEE AGAIN. NEVER. EVER. Get over it.

Good.

 

[DowntownVol]

You are conveniently picking a coaches last game which is always a loss unless your a blue blood. He got us to the Sweet 16 or better three times in six years. But, yes, like Barnes and everybody else that ever coached here he lost the last game he coached every year.

In addition to being destroyed (75-45!) by a decent but nothing special Michigan team in the first round of the Dance, Pearl's last team (2010-2011), hardly devoid of talent (Tobias Harris, Jordy McRae, Cam Tatum, Scotty Hopson, Brian Williams, Trae Golden, Jeronne Maymon) also lost to Oakland at home, lost to Charlotte on the road, and lost by 13 at home to the College of Charleston. Funny how these sorts of humiliating defeats are excluded from the narrative being driven by the Pearl worshippers.

 

[Zues1]

Eight of the 14 SEC schools have reached the Final Four. Tennessee is among the six on the outside looking in, along with Alabama, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Missouri and Texas A&M.

Soon to be joined by Texas and Oklahoma FF teams.

 

[ColinS]

In addition to being destroyed (75-45!) by a decent but nothing special Michigan team in the first round of the Dance, Pearl's last team (2010-2011), hardly devoid of talent (Tobias Harris, Jordy McRae, Cam Tatum, Scotty Hopson, Brian Williams, Trae Golden, Jeronne Maymon) also lost to Oakland at home, lost to Charlotte on the road, and lost by 13 at home to the College of Charleston. Funny how these sorts of humiliating defeats are excluded from the narrative being driven by the Pearl worshippers.

Everybody knows about the NCAA inquiry and how it drug this team down that year. It's one of many humiliating finishes we have had. Last years loss to Michigan as well. It was a 3 seed vs 11, we had a lead, and we blew it. Pearl had a good run here and so has Barnes. I've always said I like Coach Pearl and his run here but I don't pull for him anymore because he coaches Auburn.

 

[berryvol]

Everybody knows about the NCAA inquiry and how it drug this team down that year. It's one of many humiliating finishes we have had. Last years loss to Michigan as well. It was a 3 seed vs 11, we had a lead, and we blew it. Pearl had a good run here and so has Barnes. I've always said I like Coach Pearl and his run here but I don't pull for him anymore because he coaches Auburn.

2011 and 2021 are very similar teams for me. Both insanely talented but peaked way too early (2011 in the NIT, 2021 in January) and couldn’t put together anything down the stretch. Both were terrible to watch by the tourney and the R64 defeats were extremely predictable.

 

[DowntownVol]

Eight of the 14 SEC schools have reached the Final Four. Tennessee is among the six on the outside looking in, along with Alabama, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Missouri and Texas A&M.

Soon to be joined by Texas and Oklahoma FF teams.

Would you swap the totality of UT's basketball history with that of Georgia, who made the Final Four in 1983 (when there were only 48 teams in the Dance)? Or Auburn's? Or South Carolina's?

 

[Zues1]

Would you swap the totality of UT's basketball history with that of Georgia, who made the Final Four in 1983 (when there were only 48 teams in the Dance)? Or Auburn's? Or South Carolina's?

I might. A FF while I'm still on this side of the lawn would be awesome.

 

[JMSqb11]

Everybody knows about the NCAA inquiry and how it drug this team down that year. It's one of many humiliating finishes we have had. Last years loss to Michigan as well. It was a 3 seed vs 11, we had a lead, and we blew it. Pearl had a good run here and so has Barnes. I've always said I like Coach Pearl and his run here but I don't pull for him anymore because he coaches Auburn.

I won’t blame the inquiry for most of the season’s bad losses. However, Mike Hamilton being quiet all season and then saying the day before “we don’t know if Bruce will be back next year” sandbagged the team. They literally had zero to play for.

 

[Zues1]

I won’t blame the inquiry for most of the season’s bad losses. However, Mike Hamilton being quiet all season and then saying the day before “we don’t know if Bruce will be back next year” sandbagged the team. They literally had zero to play for.

As I mentioned before Pearl doesn't seem to make a lot of friends. His public persona ( pizzas for everyone) and who he is behind closed doors could be completely different. I imagine Hamilton and the administration let him hang himself as that wanted him gone.
If it had been Self or Calapari or any other of the blue blood schools they would have handled it in a completely different way.

 

[cardvolfan]

I won’t blame the inquiry for most of the season’s bad losses. However, Mike Hamilton being quiet all season and then saying the day before “we don’t know if Bruce will be back next year” sandbagged the team. They literally had zero to play for.

I’m pretty sure that Hamilton publicly backed Pearl, then in light of the obvious lying, had no choice but to terminate. I do believe Hamilton was always a puppet in all these decisions. Money talks and controls the narrative.

 

[JMSqb11]

As I mentioned before Pearl doesn't seem to make a lot of friends. His public persona ( pizzas for everyone) and who he is behind closed doors could be completely different. I imagine Hamilton and the administration let him hang himself as that wanted him gone.
If it had been Self or Calapari or any other of the blue blood schools they would have handled it in a completely different way.

If it was Self or Coach Cal, they would have just gone to grave with the lie.....

 

[JMSqb11]

I’m pretty sure that Hamilton publicly backed Pearl, then in light of the obvious lying, had no choice but to terminate. I do believe Hamilton was always a puppet in all these decisions. Money talks and controls the narrative.

Literally 2 days before our NCAAT game......


But yes I do agree with you on Hamilton...... Guy was a scumbag.

 

[SGMVols]

Barnes' old-school offense doesn't work well in today's basketball world. It's nice to coach great defense, but your offense has to keep pace as well.
I'm not saying White should fire him, but UT is paying Final Four money to a coach who no one expects to ever make the Final Four (or even come within sniffing distance). Firing Rick after the Vols flop in the upcoming Big Dance might not look good to some, but encouraging him to retire and rest on his laurels might be in order (Barnes is getting quite long in the tooth and has a storied career to his credit). Danny White has a history of hiring championship-level coaches, so I'm sure he wouldn't let down the Vol faithful on the basketball front should a regime change come to pass.

He’s not going to accept being “forced” to retire. You want him out, he will tell you to pay the $20 million. Or he’ll call up Ole Miss and go there, take the whole team plus the recruiting class with him, and laugh as we turn into what LSU and South Carolina are now.

 

[JMSqb11]

He’s not going to accept being “forced” to retire. You want him out, he will tell you to pay the $20 million. Or he’ll call up Ole Miss and go there, take the whole team plus the recruiting class with him, and laugh as we turn into what LSU and South Carolina are now.

I doubt Barnes is going to give up his cushy job and go to a school like Ole Miss at the age of 68...... No one is going to force Rick out. I think its very realistic Barnes is in his last 2-3 years.... While annoying that we can surpass the elevated expectations he caused, no one with actual power is pushing for a convo to start about changing the head coach.

 

[hog88]

I doubt Barnes is going to give up his cushy job and go to a school like Ole Miss at the age of 68...... No one is going to force Rick out. I think its very realistic Barnes is in his last 2-3 years.... While annoying that we can surpass the elevated expectations he caused, no one with actual power is pushing for a convo to start about changing the head coach.

He'll be 71 (I think) when his current contract expires after the 26/27 season. I can't see us giving him an extension without some firm agreement on when he's going to retire.

 

[JMSqb11]

He'll be 71 (I think) when his current contract expires after the 26/27 season. I can't see us giving him an extension without some firm agreement on when he's going to retire.

At this point, I don't think he finishes out his current contract. With that said, I'm very in favor of bumping his annual salary by a big number in exchange for no more years being added. At the end of the day, he has easily earned less than the job he has done from where we were when he took the job..... the fact our program is going to be handed off with his exit drastically in a better spot from where he took the job is worth the money alone. It is a business. So in exchange for no more years added to his contract, just pay him more for a single season and reassess at end of the year. That way its cleaner for Tennessee and Barnes to end its relationship (hopefully by retirement) with no one being on the hook for extra years on a contract or anything like that.

The people who constantly harp "Barnes is getting paid top money to take Tennessee no where" are just mouthbreathers.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

The amount of posters who don’t understand how a contract effects recruiting is truly amazing.

 

[hog88]

At this point, I don't think he finishes out his current contract. With that said, I'm very in favor of bumping his annual salary by a big number in exchange for no more years being added. At the end of the day, he has easily earned less than the job he has done from where we were when he took the job..... the fact our program is going to be handed off with his exit drastically in a better spot from where he took the job is worth the money alone. It is a business. So in exchange for no more years added to his contract, just pay him more for a single season and reassess at end of the year. That way its cleaner for Tennessee and Barnes to end its relationship (hopefully by retirement) with no one being on the hook for extra years on a contract or anything like that.

The people who constantly harp "Barnes is getting paid top money to take Tennessee no where" are just mouthbreathers.

I'm fine with raising Barnes' salary but as BTO said a HCs contract or lack of years left on it can effect recruiting especially since CRB isn't known for bringing in 1 and dones. They need to be working on a transition plan as soon as this off season. If CRB wants to coach another 2-3-4 years fine work out an extension past 26/27 but one that isn't financially burdensome to the program when he does hang up his whistle.

 

[JMSqb11]

I'm fine with raising Barnes' salary but as BTO said a HCs contract or lack of years left on it can effect recruiting especially since CRB isn't known for bringing in 1 and dones. They need to be working on a transition plan as soon as this off season. If CRB wants to coach another 2-3-4 years fine work out an extension past 26/27 but one that isn't financially burdensome to the program when he does hang up his whistle.

I don't think the contract "hurting recruiting" is a factor here.... did it hurt UNC recruiting with Roy? Did it hurt Duke with Coach K? It isn't some grand secret that Rick Barnes is likely done in the next few years.... It is absolutely hilarious to me that we essentially have two camps now.... Those who think Barnes is overpaid and overrated and those who think the program will flounder if he isn't extended and kept happy.....

While yes, I agree with you, that there isn't a financial burden coming, I think the trade off with Barnes is fewer extension years in exchange for higher pay. Barnes coaching into his 70's would be very surprising.

 

[Zues1]

They should sit down after the season and discuss assistant coaches. Barnes needs a coach with fresh offensive schemes.
His replacement in a couple of years.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I'm fine with raising Barnes' salary but as BTO said a HCs contract or lack of years left on it can effect recruiting especially since CRB isn't known for bringing in 1 and dones. They need to be working on a transition plan as soon as this off season. If CRB wants to coach another 2-3-4 years fine work out an extension past 26/27 but one that isn't financially burdensome to the program when he does hang up his whistle.

You don’t pay a buyout if he retires, how would that be burdensome?

 

[SGMVols]

They should sit down after the season and discuss assistant coaches. Barnes needs a coach with fresh offensive schemes.
His replacement in a couple of years.

I can promise you that would not end well. The reason Barnes was fired at Texas was because the AD at the time wanted him to fire one of his assistants. He wouldn’t do it.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I don't think the contract "hurting recruiting" is a factor here.... did it hurt UNC recruiting with Roy? Did it hurt Duke with Coach K? It isn't some grand secret that Rick Barnes is likely done in the next few years.... It is absolutely hilarious to me that we essentially have two camps now.... Those who think Barnes is overpaid and overrated and those who think the program will flounder if he isn't extended and kept happy.....

While yes, I agree with you, that there isn't a financial burden coming, I think the trade off with Barnes is fewer extension years in exchange for higher pay. Barnes coaching into his 70's would be very surprising.

Those guys weren’t on 1 year contracts, so how is that the same thing?