Reveiz On CDD

[Ravenheart]

Here's my input:

1) Great move by Nick to stand up and defend Coach Dooley. I would expect nothing less from him, but it's worth noting that this kid is an absolute class act. On top of that, everything he said is true.

2) Brilliant segue here, because I think it is worth pointing out that he did not say "win" in the SEC, he said "compete." And in each of the Vols' games this year (except Georgia), we stood toe-to-toe with those teams and competed at SOME POINT in the game, but ultimately, the team's youth, inexperience, and lack of depth reared it's ugly head, and reality slapped us in the face. We have a lot of holes on the depth chart, and this team may be at the level where they can compete with those top teams, but once those holes are filled, we can take that crucial next step by allowing that competitiveness translate to wins. We're not at that point yet.

3) Volwarrior, how can you say that you would still prefer the last staff over ours? How can you sit there and continue to ignore the fact that we are depleted? That last staff did nothing but run their mouths and talk about winning championships, and when the time came to deliver, the only thing that came out of that talk was a 7-6 season and a blowout loss in the bowl game to Virginia Tech. It's one thing to talk winning, but its another to back up that talk and actually do it. This current staff gets it. Do your talking on the field. Your ignorance never ceases to amaze us.

 

[allvol]

hmmm. really???

how to compete in this league??


we are 0-5 in this league for the first time since .. well I don't know when. I went and looked at our records from back in the day and I can't find a record of us EVER being 0-5 in the conference. I'm NOT saying CDD is a failure, but so far, we have not been able to win in the SEC . Maybe we can get that done THIS weekend.

It will be difficult to find 0-5 since you don't have to go too far back and there were 6 or less SEC games per season. They did add a 7th game in the late 80s and then went to an 8-game schedule with the split into divisions. The 0-6 start in 1988 included an 0-4 SEC start. The final 5 wins included 3 SEC wins... over... you guessed it -- Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky. The 5-7 team in 2008 was by far one of the worst offenses I've ever witnessed. They were 1-5 in the SEC before finishing the season out with wins over Vandy and UK. Unfortunately, they also lost to Wyoming.

 

[volwarrior33]

3) Volwarrior, how can you say that you would still prefer the last staff over ours? How can you sit there and continue to ignore the fact that we are depleted? That last staff did nothing but run their mouths and talk about winning championships, and when the time came to deliver, the only thing that came out of that talk was a 7-6 season and a blowout loss in the bowl game to Virginia Tech. It's one thing to talk winning, but its another to back up that talk and actually do it. This current staff gets it. Do your talking on the field. Your ignorance never ceases to amaze us.

We were pretty damn depleted last year as well, in fact almost every starter on offense at this point last year was less talented than the starter at the same position today.

The WRs and TE are obviously the same and the RB position is quite a bit worse with Poole/Neal than it was with Hardesty/Brown. The entire OL, QB, and FB are all more talented.

I don't care about talking, I care about results. To this point, this staff's done absolutely nothing to show they can win in this league. From a complete screw up of a win vs. LSU, which falls solely on the staff, to failing to have the players ready at all the next week. Their only wins are against an FCS school and the worst FBS school in the nation, along with a 2OT win vs. a middle of the road CUSA team.

Last year on the other hand, we held UF to 23 points, dragged Mark Richt's sorry ass up and down the field at will, did the same to Spurrier, and came within a healthy quad of beating the national champion. The Ole Miss game we played with our 5th-7th LBers and the UCLA game was a screwup by Lane. The VA Tech game was a loss to a Top 8 team, the margin was inexcusable though.

To call me ignorant for picking the clearly better offensive and recruiting staff, and probably the better defensive staff as well, proves you are in fact the ignorant one.

 

[easyvol]

Here's my input:

1) Great move by Nick to stand up and defend Coach Dooley. I would expect nothing less from him, but it's worth noting that this kid is an absolute class act. On top of that, everything he said is true.

2) Brilliant segue here, because I think it is worth pointing out that he did not say "win" in the SEC, he said "compete." And in each of the Vols' games this year (except Georgia), we stood toe-to-toe with those teams and competed at SOME POINT in the game, but ultimately, the team's youth, inexperience, and lack of depth reared it's ugly head, and reality slapped us in the face. We have a lot of holes on the depth chart, and this team may be at the level where they can compete with those top teams, but once those holes are filled, we can take that crucial next step by allowing that competitiveness translate to wins. We're not at that point yet.

3) Volwarrior, how can you say that you would still prefer the last staff over ours? How can you sit there and continue to ignore the fact that we are depleted? That last staff did nothing but run their mouths and talk about winning championships, and when the time came to deliver, the only thing that came out of that talk was a 7-6 season and a blowout loss in the bowl game to Virginia Tech. It's one thing to talk winning, but its another to back up that talk and actually do it. This current staff gets it. Do your talking on the field. Your ignorance never ceases to amaze us.

Don't bother with this guy. We can all wave at him as the Dooley train leaves him behind.

 

[Ravenheart]

We were pretty damn depleted last year as well, in fact almost every starter on offense at this point last year was less talented than the starter at the same position today.
The WRs and TE are obviously the same and the RB position is quite a bit worse with Poole/Neal than it was with Hardesty/Brown. The entire OL, QB, and FB are all more talented.

I don't care about talking, I care about results. To this point, this staff's done absolutely nothing to show they can win in this league. From a complete screw up of a win vs. LSU, which falls solely on the staff, to failing to have the players ready at all the next week. Their only wins are against an FCS school and the worst FBS school in the nation, along with a 2OT win vs. a middle of the road CUSA team.
Last year on the other hand, we held UF to 23 points, dragged Mark Richt's sorry ass up and down the field at will, did the same to Spurrier, and came within a healthy quad of beating the national champion. The Ole Miss game we played with our 5th-7th LBers and the UCLA game was a screwup by Lane. The VA Tech game was a loss to a Top 8 team, the margin was inexcusable though.

To call me ignorant for picking the clearly better offensive and recruiting staff, and probably the better defensive staff as well, proves you are in fact the ignorant one.

Rome wasn't built in one night. It takes time for this team to take shape in the eyes of Derek Dooley and his staff. If it's too difficult to trust in this current staff (who has a lot more INTEGRITY and CHARACTER than the last one did, with the exception of maybe Eddie Gran; I liked him) and let them rebuild this program from the ground up, then I suggest a change of scenery. Go to Southern California.

All I'm asking of you is to be PATIENT. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, and again, if necessary, to hammer this point home: you can't expect a fledgling staff to start beating top 10 teams like rag dolls in their first season. We are depleted. We were depleted last year, but it's not like Kiffin and his staff did anything to keep players in the program, keep them out of trouble, and prevent the amount of attrition that stemmed from the LAST coaching change from growing. Dooley and his staff are actually going out and addressing needs, not wants. What I mean by that is, for instance, we have an obvious need at defensive tackle right now. We are set at running back. Assume that Bryce Brown, a five-star running back, is a part of this year's class, and you have to choose between filling the last scholarship spot with Brown or Allan Carson, a 2-star defensive tackle. Who would you take?

 

[volwarrior33]

Don't bother with this guy. We can all wave at him as the Dooley train leaves him behind.

Seats are filling up fast, who doesn't want to ride with a coach who is 1-9 vs. BCS opponents?

 

[Ravenheart]

Seats are filling up fast, who doesn't want to ride with a coach who is 1-9 vs. BCS opponents?

It's better than riding on a runaway train with a madman who is a celebrated loser on the field and is undefeated in press conferences.

 

[PineyBluff Vol]

hmmm. really???

how to compete in this league??


we are 0-5 in this league for the first time since .. well I don't know when. I went and looked at our records from back in the day and I can't find a record of us EVER being 0-5 in the conference. I'm NOT saying CDD is a failure, but so far, we have not been able to win in the SEC . Maybe we can get that done THIS weekend.

Can you think of a time when we have had 3 head coaches in the span of time we have...I didn't think so. Give it time, we don't see this series of events very often, and furthermore I hope never again.

 

[easyvol]

Seats are filling up fast, who doesn't want to ride with a coach who is 1-9 vs. BCS opponents?

You stick with kiffy, I'm riding with Dooley

 

[volwarrior33]

It's better than riding on a runaway train with a madman who is a celebrated loser on the field and is undefeated in press conferences.

If you call someone who is 12-9 as a college head coach a loser, what does that make a 20-26 coach?

 

[Escape Goat]

LSU 16, Tennessee 14
Georgia 41, Tennessee 14
Alabama 41, Tennessee 10

Got it.

U would be miserable if the Vols started winning again on a regular basis, because then you wouldn't have anything to gripe about.

Got it.
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[sjt18]

We were pretty damn depleted last year as well, in fact almost every starter on offense at this point last year was less talented than the starter at the same position today.

You mean except for the 3 SR OL's who got NFL looks? The QB who is still getting looks? The highly drafted RB? One of the all time best Vol DB's and his sidekick? Or maybe big Dan and Wes Brown who was a better DT on one leg than UT has now? Or maybe the Fr AA OT? Or maybe you are talking about the two walk on's who beat out the "anchor" of this year's OL?

Last year's team was nowhere near as depleted as this years team. It isn't even close.

The WRs and TE are obviously the same and the RB position is quite a bit worse with Poole/Neal than it was with Hardesty/Brown.

Wow. I love Hardesty but he avg'd under 5 ypc while Poole is averaging over 5 ypc behind a weaker OL. Neal is better right now than Brown was at any point last year at EVERY RB skill.

The entire OL, QB, and FB are all more talented.

Bray is probably as talented and has a better head. He does not have enough experience or development to be a better QB. Crompton was hands down better than Simms in every measurable way. The OL simply is not as skilled or developed as last year's group- to say otherwise is pure delusion. They may be more talented but they are not developed or experienced. In fact, I will go as far as to say that if this team had last year's OL they would have been in the mix for the East.

FB is more talented? You have an injured Cooper and a true Fr and you think that is more talent than a healthy Cooper and Johnson?

I don't care about talking, I care about results. To this point, this staff's done absolutely nothing to show they can win in this league.

Nothing? Really? I can't say they have proven they can but they have done things to indicate they can.

From a complete screw up of a win vs. LSU, which falls solely on the staff,

Solely? So we don't expect scholarship football players to be able to count?

Last year on the other hand, we held UF to 23 points,

And lost by 10 pts with a more talented team than the one that lost by 14 this year and actually pushed UF in a competitive game where UT's coach was taking chances in a legitimate effort to win the game rather than just prevent a blow out.

dragged Mark Richt's sorry ass up and down the field at will, did the same to Spurrier, and came within a healthy quad of beating the national champion. The Ole Miss game we played with our 5th-7th LBers and the UCLA game was a screwup by Lane. The VA Tech game was a loss to a Top 8 team, the margin was inexcusable though.

Is your pillow still wet in the morning? Do you still keep their pictures under it hoping they'll come back or you'll wake to find it all just a terrible dream?

To call me ignorant for picking the clearly better offensive and recruiting staff, and probably the better defensive staff as well, proves you are in fact the ignorant one.

They aren't clearly the better offensive staff. They had far more to work with and scored only 5 ppg more.... and this year's team stands a good chance of raising their avg ppg vs these last three opponents who are 12th, 11th, and 10th respectively in the SEC in scoring D.

Recruiting is still in question. Recruiting svc stars don't win games... USC, UF, Texas, and ND have more than proven that in this year.

I thought you wanted proof instead of talk? Of the 14 2009 guys who committed to Kiffin, five are already gone, 4 are yet to contribute in any significant way, and 2 aren't playing because of injury. Three guys that your elite recruiting staff brought in that year are still on the team and contributing- Jackson, Teague, and Oku... though Oku has earned his way into the dog house.

By comparison, 8 out of 11 guys who committed after Dooley took over in Jan have contributed or started.

Three months ago I would have traded D staffs in a second. Right now... as an incredibly talented USC D sits at #96 in the country... I am not as sure.

And the previous staff had not respect or value for UT football. They did not think they could recruit to UT without breaking rules or using gimmicks to draw attention. They showed no regard for the long term health or image of the program.

 

[golf437]

hmmm. really???

how to compete in this league??


we are 0-5 in this league for the first time since .. well I don't know when. I went and looked at our records from back in the day and I can't find a record of us EVER being 0-5 in the conference. I'm NOT saying CDD is a failure, but so far, we have not been able to win in the SEC . Maybe we can get that done THIS weekend.

Clueless.

 

[VolsR#1n98]

No. You just need to stop your constant carping and join the rest of us as we collect the facts and allow the process to play out before condemning Dooley as a failure.

Again, your ignorance shines through. EVEN if you have a deep, experienced team it is difficult to make half time adjustments until they know the new system and playbook. A team has to have a good grip on the playbook to include executing those plays in real action before you can make adjustments. In short, a lack of experience shows up nowhere more than in a teams ability to adjust.

In time, we may learn that this staff is as bad at half time adjustments as Chavis and Fulmer were. But your accusation is the same as saying that someone has shown "no ability to ride a bicycle" when the bicycle is missing both wheels, the chain, and the handlebars.

Thank You...great comments! :worship:

 

[99bubble]

facts:
1) we are very thin
2) we are very young
3) we have a new program, coach and all
4) we are getting better every week
5) we are 0-5 in sec play.

It all factors into there. I agree. A win over ole miss heals a lot of wounds.

fact: Bears eat beets!

 

[volwarrior33]

You mean except for the 3 SR OL's who got NFL looks? The QB who is still getting looks? The highly drafted RB? One of the all time best Vol DB's and his sidekick? Or maybe big Dan and Wes Brown who was a better DT on one leg than UT has now? Or maybe the Fr AA OT? Or maybe you are talking about the two walk on's who beat out the "anchor" of this year's OL?

Last year's team was nowhere near as depleted as this years team. It isn't even close.

I never even brought up the defense. I don't know why you felt the need to bring them into it. Calling Jarrod Shaw the "anchor" of this line is laughable at best. He is a talentless waste of space who plays fewer snaps each week.

Wow. I love Hardesty but he avg'd under 5 ypc while Poole is averaging over 5 ypc behind a weaker OL. Neal is better right now than Brown was at any point last year at EVERY RB skill.

Hardesty is an NFL back who was pushing to be a starter as a rookie before injury, Poole is rated as the 8th best back in his class.

Neal has worse vision and is a much less polished pass catcher. His ball security is also a bigger issue. Brown is a once in a generation talent, that will be proven at K State.

Bray is probably as talented and has a better head. He does not have enough experience or development to be a better QB. Crompton was hands down better than Simms in every measurable way. The OL simply is not as skilled or developed as last year's group- to say otherwise is pure delusion. They may be more talented but they are not developed or experienced. In fact, I will go as far as to say that if this team had last year's OL they would have been in the mix for the East.

All I said was that Bray was more talented than Crompton, glad you agree. The OL is also more talented.

FB is more talented? You have an injured Cooper and a true Fr and you think that is more talent than a healthy Cooper and Johnson?

Fugate is much better than Cooper or Johnson at FB, he has been flawless in the two games he's played thus far.

Nothing? Really? I can't say they have proven they can but they have done things to indicate they can. Solely? So we don't expect scholarship football players to be able to count?

It's the coaches responsibility to be able to substitue and put the players in position to stop the worst QB in the league from converting on 4th and Long.

And lost by 10 pts with a more talented team than the one that lost by 14 this year and actually pushed UF in a competitive game where UT's coach was taking chances in a legitimate effort to win the game rather than just prevent a blow out.

Glad to see you've taken UF's fans side on this. But you're right, we should've been throwing the ball all over the field with Crompton playing as well as he did early in the year last year. Don't ride your NFL back.

Is your pillow still wet in the morning? Do you still keep their pictures under it hoping they'll come back or you'll wake to find it all just a terrible dream?

Glad to see you avoid addressing the 53 point difference in the UGA games, and the 24 point difference in the USCjr games. No blame could be placed on Mr. WAC for that though I'm sure.

They aren't clearly the better offensive staff. They had far more to work with and scored only 5 ppg more.... and this year's team stands a good chance of raising their avg ppg vs these last three opponents who are 12th, 11th, and 10th respectively in the SEC in scoring D.

They also didn't have the luxury of facing an FCS team or the worst FBS team in the nation, and faced far superior UF and Bama defenses.

Recruiting is still in question. Recruiting svc stars don't win games... USC, UF, Texas, and ND have more than proven that in this year.

What did the last 10 national champions prove with their recruiting classes?

I thought you wanted proof instead of talk? Of the 14 2009 guys who committed to Kiffin, five are already gone, 4 are yet to contribute in any significant way, and 2 aren't playing because of injury. Three guys that your elite recruiting staff brought in that year are still on the team and contributing- Jackson, Teague, and Oku... though Oku has earned his way into the dog house. By comparison, 8 out of 11 guys who committed after Dooley took over in Jan have contributed or started.

Kiffin did well to get any impact guys. Fulmer's position with impact players was pathetic compared to where Kiffin left Dooley.

Three months ago I would have traded D staffs in a second. Right now... as an incredibly talented USC D sits at #96 in the country... I am not as sure.

Neither D staffs have looked good at all thus far. I wouldn't want either on my sidelines on gamedays.

And the previous staff had not respect or value for UT football. They did not think they could recruit to UT without breaking rules or using gimmicks to draw attention.

Saying the maxims, doing the Vol Walk a certain way, etc. may be cool for the fans, but does nothing to win games, which is what football coaches are paid to do.

They showed no regard for the long term health or image of the program.

They committed a few secondary violations and have never been sanctioned by the NCAA at any coaching stops, what was so detrimental about their conduct?

 

[salutethehill]

fact: Bears eat beets!

Bears...Beets...Battlestar Galactica.

 

[RJBrookshire]

Hearing that statement from Reveiz is reassuring. I know our record doesn't show us to be that impressive. But I've seen improvement. I think the potential and upside is there for a great team within the next two years.

 

[sjt18]

Calling Jarrod Shaw the "anchor" of this line is laughable at best. He is a talentless waste of space who plays fewer snaps each week.

Right... and he entered the season as the ONLY OL for the Vol who had any real game experience. Yet in your opinion the unit is better than last year's unit.

Hardesty is an NFL back who was pushing to be a starter as a rookie before injury, Poole is rated as the 8th best back in his class.

Eighth best by what measure and as calculated by who?

Neal has worse vision and is a much less polished pass catcher. His ball security is also a bigger issue. Brown is a once in a generation talent, that will be proven at K State.

You just keep on showing your ignorance. Neal has MUCH better vision than Brown ever showed. Brown CONSTANTLY ran up the backs of blockers. He NEVER showed that he could plant his foot and find a hole that didn't seem to be there. I have seen Neal drop one pass that was tipped. What more do you want? He is on pace to have more receiving yards than Brown even after sitting behind Oku for much of the season.

Brown may do well at KSU. He certainly won't face as much competition.

All I said was that Bray was more talented than Crompton, glad you agree. The OL is also more talented.

But they do not bring nearly as much to the field in the way of ability as last year's group. Do you understand that?

Fugate is much better than Cooper or Johnson at FB, he has been flawless in the two games he's played thus far.

I am pleased with the guy but this is more blind rationalism from you.

It's the coaches responsibility to be able to substitue and put the players in position to stop the worst QB in the league from converting on 4th and Long.

Really? Players have nothing to do with that right?

Glad to see you've taken UF's fans side on this. But you're right, we should've been throwing the ball all over the field with Crompton playing as well as he did early in the year last year. Don't ride your NFL back.

Wait... you mean it wasn't the coaches' responsibility to get guys ready to compete and put them in positions to be successful last year? That rule just kicked in this year?

Glad to see you avoid addressing the 53 point difference in the UGA games, and the 24 point difference in the USCjr games. No blame could be placed on Mr. WAC for that though I'm sure.

No. No rational person would considering the hole he was left in. If you honestly think this UT roster compares as well as this year's UGA and USCe rosters as last year's did then you are way beyond hope.

They also didn't have the luxury of facing an FCS team or the worst FBS team in the nation, and faced far superior UF and Bama defenses.

Yeah... I guess we should not count that 0-12 WKU team or that 2-10 Memphis team from last year, huh?

What did the last 10 national champions prove with their recruiting classes?

That talent plus coaching wins. They specifically did not prove that every highly rated team according to the recruiting svcs win championships. They did not prove that only teams that win recruiting championships win BCS or conference championships.

Kiffin did well to get any impact guys. Fulmer's position with impact players was pathetic compared to where Kiffin left Dooley.

Good Lord. You just keep getting worse. Clawson was well on his way to building an exceptional recruiting class on O that year. Do you really not remember that?

Kiffin left Dooley trying to hold a class together with 2 1/2 weeks left. Nothing he did in a positive way to pull the guys that DD closed on outweighs the damage he did by leaving like he did. Any "good" he might have done was very obviously NOT the reason the guys committed to UT.

Saying the maxims, doing the Vol Walk a certain way, etc. may be cool for the fans, but does nothing to win games, which is what football coaches are paid to do.

Having total disrespect for a program and its traditions my win a few games in the short run but will eventually destroy the program if it runs its course.

And yes, buy in to a program, its traditions, its history, its pride... do have a REAL effect on winning and losing.

They committed a few secondary violations and have never been sanctioned by the NCAA at any coaching stops, what was so detrimental about their conduct?

They flaunted the rules. It is very likely the NCAA would have pursued the hostess thing much harder if CLK were still the coach.

When an institution shows disregard for secondary violations, they get even more attention and less forgiveness. CLK demonstrated and even indicated verbally that he could not get players to UT without bending the rules and playing the fool. He really had very little regard for UT football.

IIRC, Ole Miss did have some problems following O's ouster. Those guys were at USC when the Bush thing was going on, right?

I'm sorry you think those guys are the epitome of what coaches should be.

 

[volstuckinwa]

Here's my input:

1) Great move by Nick to stand up and defend Coach Dooley. I would expect nothing less from him, but it's worth noting that this kid is an absolute class act. On top of that, everything he said is true.

2) Brilliant segue here, because I think it is worth pointing out that he did not say "win" in the SEC, he said "compete." And in each of the Vols' games this year (except Georgia), we stood toe-to-toe with those teams and competed at SOME POINT in the game, but ultimately, the team's youth, inexperience, and lack of depth reared it's ugly head, and reality slapped us in the face. We have a lot of holes on the depth chart, and this team may be at the level where they can compete with those top teams, but once those holes are filled, we can take that crucial next step by allowing that competitiveness translate to wins. We're not at that point yet.

3) Volwarrior, how can you say that you would still prefer the last staff over ours? How can you sit there and continue to ignore the fact that we are depleted? That last staff did nothing but run their mouths and talk about winning championships, and when the time came to deliver, the only thing that came out of that talk was a 7-6 season and a blowout loss in the bowl game to Virginia Tech. It's one thing to talk winning, but its another to back up that talk and actually do it. This current staff gets it. Do your talking on the field. Your ignorance never ceases to amaze us.

Great post!

 

[hmanvolfan]

If only he could count to eleven...

 

[KiffinKiller]

The holes 33 digs for himself are astoundingly funny looking. "we didn't play the worst FBS team last year" - errr WKU was the worst team.

If our team is more talented this year, then why did Kiffin say we would be worse this year. Surely you must believe we are worse now - Kiffin said it. Just please go back to wearesc.com and join the soggy biscuit party.

 

[hadl]

fact: Bears eat beets!

:lolabove:

 

[chicago_vol]

You might need to do some further research my friend. The 1988 vols only played 11 games, but started 0-6. They were 0-4 in the SEC before beating Memphis and then running the table the rest of the way. This team has lost to every team that it should have this year, and beat every team it should have to this point, almost pulling out an LSU win that in hindsight would have been a huge win. This team needs to run the table to gain momentum, but UK and Ole Miss are no locks, hell with this team, no game is a lock, but they have the ability to run the table. Go Vols!

Well said. There are too many haters/delusional people out there that thought the program would change overnight.

 

[chicago_vol]

[/B]

Don't bother with this guy. We can all wave at him as the Dooley train leaves him behind.

whether you like CDD or not you cant seriously be looking forward to the process of looking for a new head coach and new staff and more rebuilding.