Rethinking Hamilton's Tenure

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There is nothing yo rethink concerning Mike Hamilton's tenure as the TN AD. He was a disaster and cost the department millions of dollars from his bad decisions...period.

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bamawriter said:
The only school I know of that has publicly claimed a division "co"-championship is Ole Miss.
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One could make an argument that Alabama actually had a better SEC season than Auburn. Both were 7-1, but Bama's loss was vs a 1loss Auburn team.....but Auburn's 1 loss came vs a 3 loss LSU team. Wonder if the original guy I was debating with might say that Auburn "backed into" the SEC title game based off this.
 
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PeytonBerry said:
I was thinking about Hamilton's time at UT, and while it was time to go, I do think he accomplished some good things at UT.

1. Gave Neyland a beautiful facelift
2. Transformed TBA
3. Hired a coach that made b-ball relevant again.
4. Avoided NCAA sanctions (admittedly from hires he made)

Often times, I heard people characterize Hamilton as a slimeball, but from those close to him, he was a man of good character who involved himself in the community and charitible endeavors. He is a man of faith, and adopted children in desperate need of a family. I imagine while he was here, he gave his all for Tennessee.

Don't get me wrong, Kiffen and Dooley fall on his watch, and he needed to go. I just think as quick as we are to criticize coaches and AD's, we should have some perspective and give credit where it is due. Perhaps we can say the same for our basketball coach.

Flame away!
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I'll Flame, he destroyed the biggest program in UT Athletics with his handling of the firing and hiring of head football coaches
 
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KBVol said:
One could make an argument that Alabama actually had a better SEC season than Auburn. Both were 7-1, but Bama's loss was vs a 1loss Auburn team.....but Auburn's 1 loss came vs a 3 loss LSU team. Wonder if the original guy I was debating with might say that Auburn "backed into" the SEC title game based off this.
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Nah, I won't argue that! One loss Auburn defeated an Alabama power house-they deserved to be in the NC and that is even more evident in how they played in the NC against a top notch, high quality opponent! But, to go back to your earlier point about tying, 9-1 is a whole heck of a lot better than 10-4! I'm no mathmetical genious but I'm sure the percentage shows that as well!
 
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knoxvols11 said:
Nah, I won't argue that! One loss Auburn defeated an Alabama power house-they deserved to be in the NC and that is even more evident in how they played in the NC against a top notch, high quality opponent! But, to go back to your earlier point about tying, 9-1 is a whole heck of a lot better than 10-4! I'm no mathmetical genious but I'm sure the percentage shows that as well!
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The team you are disparaging finished in a two-way tie with a UGA team they not only defeated, but they completely embarrassed them.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
Nah, I won't argue that! One loss Auburn defeated an Alabama power house-they deserved to be in the NC and that is even more evident in how they played in the NC against a top notch, high quality opponent! But, to go back to your earlier point about tying, 9-1 is a whole heck of a lot better than 10-4! I'm no mathmetical genious but I'm sure the percentage shows that as well!
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So your displeasure was with the 4 losses. Got it. My point was that a 10 win season is very good, especially when it represents the best performance of any team in the SEC East leading to them representing the east in the SECCG. Those 10 wins earned UT the right to play for the SEC title.

On another note, Hamilton's tenure as UTs AD was an absolute disaster!
 
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KBVol said:
So your displeasure was with the 4 losses. Got it. My point was that a 10 win season is very good, especially when it represents the best performance of any team in the SEC East leading to them representing the east in the SECCG. Those 10 wins earned UT the right to play for the SEC title.

On another note, Hamilton's tenure as UTs AD was an absolute disaster!
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Actually, UGA finished with 11 wins to UT's 10 (10 to 9 at the end of the regular season). But one of UT's losses came OOC and, as I mentioned before, the Vols beat the ever-living crap out of UGA to break the tie for the division.
 
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bamawriter said:
Actually, UGA finished with 11 wins to UT's 10 (10 to 9 at the end of the regular season). But one of UT's losses came OOC and, as I mentioned before, the Vols beat the ever-living crap out of UGA to break the tie for the division.
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I've seen it all now. A Bama fan arguing the case that the Vols didn't back into the SECCG and a Vol arguing they did. :crazy:
 
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Boca Vol said:
When things aren't going well, people look for someone to blame....especially for something as emotional as sports.

It's always easier to blame people that aren't here. But can these people honestly say that Hamilton, Kiffin, Dooley, Cheek, etc. ALL hate UT and want to see them fail? That's just stupid.
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Dooley was a sleeper cell plant! :p
 
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PeytonBerry said:
My point in the thread wasn't to argue against his bad decisions. In fact, I absolutely agree that he made two awful hires and ultimately was accountable for those decisions.

I just wanted to make the point that our criticism of AD's and Coaches are disproportionate to our recognition of their positive contributions. Hamilton is a big reason a lot of fans (myself included) care so much about basketball. Hamilton is a big reason our facilities look world class. I forgot about the baseball hire, but that one is reaping benefits now. I'm absolutely OK with criticism, I just wish it was a little more balanced.
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Hooooollllld on there just a minute Bobalouie. It's easy to say now that Kiffin was a bad hire, but I for one applauded Hambone bringing in coaches that had NFL experience. Yes the Kiffs blew up on him but this message board early on was much in favor of Kiffin. Less so for Dooley but even Dools had closet supporters.

Due to poor coaching during numerous games these past few years, I still am not fully on board with Cuonzo and while I am optimistic that CBJ fields winning teams in the near future, Hambone is still on the hot seat. I think if he had more of a personality it would be easier to pull for Hambone but maybe that is not his schtick. Either way, he has made a name for himself in East Tennessee.
 
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EVERYBODY on this board went ape bananas for CLK and how he out recruited EVERYONE else and bla bla bla. Then everyone thought CDD was going to bring in all this Georgia talent and turn us into what his father did at GA. I remember people on here right up to the Fla game his last year worried GA would try to get him to replace Richt! (spelling) Hammy did the right thing by letting CPF go and to be honest, even though I didn't like the Kiffin hire nor the Dooley hire, he got the best coach available at the time with Kiff. Not sure about Dools though.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
EVERYBODY on this board went ape bananas for CLK and how he out recruited EVERYONE else and bla bla bla. Then everyone thought CDD was going to bring in all this Georgia talent and turn us into what his father did at GA. I remember people on here right up to the Fla game his last year worried GA would try to get him to replace Richt! (spelling) Hammy did the right thing by letting CPF go and to be honest, even though I didn't like the Kiffin hire nor the Dooley hire, he got the best coach available at the time with Kiff. Not sure about Dools though.
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It's called the benefit of hindsight. They were both disastrous hires who did damn near irreparable damage to the program..... especially Dooley.
 
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KBVol said:
It's called the benefit of hindsight. They were both disastrous hires who did damn near irreparable damage to the program..... especially Dooley.
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Wow KB ur a bit dram bro. Seriously though..i don't know what u do for a living, but u need to look into what it's like to rebuild a business. Especially one that is a complete dumpster fire. I know everyone thinks I've got a hard-on for dooley himself, but has nothing to do with that. What it does have to do with is a healthy respect for what he was willing to take on, and all that comes with it. Was he a prick about things...sure. But that sometimes needs to be done in the case UT was in.

The Dooley era was WAY more than the win-loss column. It was about stopping the hemorrhaging in the UT Athletics dept as whole not just football. People like u act like the guy came into a situation that was running on all cylinders, but it was barely hanging on to an old farm horse. There are things we the regular fan will never know about what had to be done during that time. Frankly it's probably best because it will most likely be very embarrassing.

At the end of the day we may never know it, but there a good chance that dooley, and his background, was the best thing that could have happened to UT at that time. CBJs future success has more to do with him than anyone will give him credit for...just like Dykes at LA Tech.
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Oskie Volum said:
Wow KB ur a bit dram bro. Seriously though..i don't know what u do for a living, but u need to look into what it's like to rebuild a business. Especially one that is a complete dumpster fire. I know everyone thinks I've got a hard-on for dooley himself, but has nothing to do with that. What it does have to do with is a healthy respect for what he was willing to take on, and all that comes with it. Was he a prick about things...sure. But that sometimes needs to be done in the case UT was in.

The Dooley era was WAY more than the win-loss column. It was about stopping the hemorrhaging in the UT Athletics dept as whole not just football. People like u act like the guy came into a situation that was running on all cylinders, but it was barely hanging on to an old farm horse. There are things we the regular fan will never know about what had to be done during that time. Frankly it's probably best because it will most likely be very embarrassing.

At the end of the day we may never know it, but there a good chance that dooley, and his background, was the best thing that could have happened to UT at that time. CBJs future success has more to do with him than anyone will give him credit for...just like Dykes at LA Tech.
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The best thing that could've happened to UT was to hire a competent coach after the grease fire that was Kiffin. They didn't, and now we're still recovering from the tire fire that was the Dooley administration. Why you absolutely refuse to see this I have no idea. He wasn't the right man for the job and thus gave us a damaged brand, numerous damaged relationships all over the place and the only 3 consecutive losing season stretch in modern UT history. All the "rebuilding business" talk and theories in the world won't change that. Can you please catalog all the improvements he made while was here? On and off the field? If like to see the list.
 
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KBVol said:
The best thing that could've happened to UT was to hire a competent coach after the grease fire that was Kiffin. They didn't, and now we're still recovering from the tire fire that was the Dooley administration. Why you absolutely refuse to see this I have no idea. He wasn't the right man for the job and thus gave us a damaged brand, numerous damaged relationships all over the place and the only 3 consecutive losing season stretch in modern UT history. All the "rebuilding business" talk and theories in the world won't change that. Can you please catalog all the improvements he made while was here? On and off the field? If like to see the list.
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KB..seriously...kiffen was a grease fire and dooley a tire fire?? Wow man u are like a jilted lover. U act like dooley was the proximate cause...HE WAS NOT!! No, and, ifs, buts about it. That's what u have a difficulty comprehending.

Dooley is more of a competent coach than u think. U tend to overlook that the 2 shots he took at HC were at 2 programs that were at the bottom. I've always found it funny how some dude on a forum feels entitled enough to call a guy incompetent, and he couldn't hold a candle to the competence in the subject of the guy he's talking about. Smfh

Also...did I not say that there are probably a lot things (good/bad)that we as the regular fan would never know?? So how do u expect me to create a list of things that I said I/we wouldn't know??
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KBVol said:
The best thing that could've happened to UT was to hire a competent coach after the grease fire that was Kiffin. They didn't, and now we're still recovering from the tire fire that was the Dooley administration. Why you absolutely refuse to see this I have no idea. He wasn't the right man for the job and thus gave us a damaged brand, numerous damaged relationships all over the place and the only 3 consecutive losing season stretch in modern UT history. All the "rebuilding business" talk and theories in the world won't change that. Can you please catalog all the improvements he made while was here? On and off the field? If like to see the list.
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Also...and I've said a gazillion times...we did not need the run of the mill HC at that time. we needed a HC that also knew how to take care of issues in the AD not just on the field. Once u r able to wrap ur head around that then maybe u can see who refuses to see things for the way they were. U r arguing pity little issues compared to the grand scheme of issues that UT football and the Athletic Dept had going on.

Ie..ur "he hurt relationships with HCs with their own agendas" was an easy fix by CBJ. And done really quick pretty much with his hire and him not being dooley. Cleaning up all the NCAA infractions, and land mines left dooley after Kiffin and yrs and yrs of AD neglect...wasn't so easy. See the difference?? Therefore CBJ is benefiting heavily from just these 2 examples from Dooley's tenure.
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Oskie Volum said:
Also...and I've said a gazillion times...we did not need the run of the mill HC at that time. we needed a HC that also knew how to take care of issues in the AD not just on the field. Once u r able to wrap ur head around that then maybe u can see who refuses to see things for the way the were. U r arguing pity little issues compared to the grand scheme of issues that UT football and the Athletic Dept had going on.

Ie..ur "he hurt relationships with HCs with their own agendas" was an easy fix by CBJ. And done really quick pretty much with his hire and him not being dooley. Cleaning up all the NCAA infractions, and mine fields left dooley after Kiffin and yrs and yrs of AD neglect...wasn't so easy. See the difference?? Therefore CBJ is benefiting heavily from just these 2 examples from Dooley's tenure.
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Determined resentment and self-righteous egoism will deafen the ears to everything you said here.
 
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I don't think anyone here is recognizing just how difficult the decision when/how/if to fire Fulmer was. Hell, we still have mammoth threads six years later on people arguing about it.

I'm not really sure if there was a right answer on that one.

It's sorta funny to think that if the Fulmer/OC Hire would have gone better and if Bruce hadn't lied to NCAA investigators, we could still have all three...
 
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