Respecting Phillip Fulmer

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He deserves respect. Phillip would get more from me if he followed loyd carr's lead and resigned in the best interest of the university.

Him resigning at this point would be in the university's best interest. So if he wants respect from the average fan then do the right thing. If he holds the university hostage over this contract, i will lose most if not all of the remaining respect i have for him.
 
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He's a person first, then a coach. Our opinions of him need only be of the latter of the 2.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That money grab that he particpated in this summer with Sexton and Hamilton is one reason. Totally underserved and out of line with his market value or based on his recent record against top competition....[actual sensibility omitted]... his distant and hands off approach with the fans (compared with Pearl), and lack of discipline or player developement are all reasons for the animosity.
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Eesh...what a load of absolute crap. The only reason for animosity is not winning championships. If the folks calling for his head would stick to their guns, they might actually get it. The man hasn't won a championship in a decade and shows no signs of being capable of winning one in the next. That's a reason for animosity and a reason for letting him go. The rest of your post is garbage that has nothing to do with the "animosity" or whether a coaching change is necessary or appropriate.

His approach with the fans, or disciplinary methods, or success with player development, or--my favorite--money grab, are complete fluff. I can't think of a single coach who is more approachable, isn't susceptible to criticism for his disciplinary practices, has placed more players in the NFL, or would come for less money, that I would want at the helm in Knoxville. I just want somebody that will win ballgames and keep UT off of the NCAA's 10 most wanted list.

The problem with all of the aforementioned tripe is that it is subjective, and on subjective grounds, the folks that want Fulmer's head on a pike are going to lose. Winning is objective; stick to that as your criterium for change.

orangeblood said:
I think is horrible the way Coach Fulmer is treating the university, its alumni, and its fans. The university gave him a full scholarship-he was allowed a free education, then they gave him a job, and now he is making around $3 million a year because of the opportunity given him by the school. And what does he do? He keeps on bringing ridicule on the school, destroys what was a great football program, and wastes the talents of many young men whose professional futures depend on him, when he knows it is in the best interest of everyone if he resigns. Just resign Phil and show respect for the University of Tennessee.
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This is perhaps the only post I've read in the midst of this debacle that is worse than Rasputin's. UT hasn't given Fulmer anything; it contracted for it, whether as a player(which is just a weird thing to bring up) or coach. He has done exactly what he has been paid to do, and that is coach the football team to the best of his ability. If that isn't good enough, the university should let him go and go find someone who can do the job better. I really don't have a problem with that. But to blame the man for accepting what the administration freely offered, including the clause that compensates him for being terminated, is simply absurd.

If, at any moment, Tennessee wants to fire him, they can, they just have to pay him. If you want to aim your ire at something, try the guys who put the school in that situation and are now in charge of making that decision.
 
#29
#29
I respect Fulmer for his service to UT, but he should respect UT and the fan base around the country and resign before it gets ugly.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Spare me the crocodile tears for Prince Phillip The Pious and you've got a deal.
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#31
#31
So I'm curious how you will fill if CPF makes it thru this yr and wins a bowl game then next yr we win the sec title and win a bcs bowl....will you still be calling for his head? I for one hope this is exactly what happens and we do win big.
 
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Bigg Tazz said:
So I'm curious how you will fill if CPF makes it thru this yr and wins a bowl game then next yr we win the sec title and win a bcs bowl....will you still be calling for his head?
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The same ridiculous scenario Fulmerites have been posting once the season goes into the tank every year. It's not going to happen, so I don't have to worry what my emotions would be.
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#33
#33
I have respected Coach Fulmer for years and never make fat jokes about him. I care enough about the program though to knoow change is past due. He needs to, or some deal needs to be worked out whereby he steps down at the end of the year gracefully, not another John Majors debacle.He has got to go!
 
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Tazz, hate to say it but given what UTK returns compared to what UGA, UF and Bama will have there is no way that UTK is winning the SEC next year. You're going to have three more or less guaranteed conference losses. I think that right now Fulmer and his supporters are praying that they can drag this out until the end of the season, at which point they will dredge up the argument that axing the hfc that close to signing day will kill recruiting. The UTAD really needs to follow Clemson's lead and act now.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Tazz, hate to say it but given what UTK returns compared to what UGA, UF and Bama will have there is no way that UTK is winning the SEC next year. You're going to have three more or less guaranteed conference losses. I think that right now Fulmer and his supporters are praying that they can drag this out until the end of the season, at which point they will dredge up the argument that axing the hfc that close to signing day will kill recruiting. The UTAD really needs to follow Clemson's lead and act now.
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Yes they do.
 
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GIVEHIM-6 said:
I would really like to know what happened to rule #3 in the board rules thread.I too respect the man but hate how this program is going to he##.The pokes at Phil have gotten so old but I guess I have to remember that there are alot of teenagers on this board.
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I am the oldest teenager your will ever see:p On the serious note....I do want a new coach, but it should be done with dignity. I have nothing personnel against Fulmer. It's just a business decision.....I agree with the post.:eek:k:
 
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I respect Fulmer, but is the program trajectory going in anything resembling a good upward trajectory? I think not. I really, really hope they don't reshuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic.
 
#38
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I think if you really looked into your assertion that name calling and negative stereotypes regarding Coach Fulmer are running rampant I think you will find a huge majority of the fans in here respect the man but are ready for a change in the head coaching position at the University of Tennessee. Sometimes you just have to learn to ignore the lunatic fringe.
 
#39
#39
CPF has had a great run at UT. He has given his all to the university he loves. I hove nothing but respect for the man. It's still time for him to retire. To stay would only tarnish his legacy.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
You know I rarely post on this board, I'm sure there are people opening this thread saying "who the hell is this guy?" and "why should I care what he says?" and all that. I usually just enjoy casually getting everyone's two cents on the current state of our athletics and especially Football and occasionally posting. As we all know right now, our season from a championship perspective is over, there are 6 games remaining, we can't win the division and the idea of playing in Shreveport or Memphis or Nashville is very real and very tough to swallow. There are many to blame for our current record, but ultimately it falls on Coach Fulmer. It seems many of us have our own ideas or solutions to the multitude of problems w/ this year's team. Many solutions usually begin and end w/ firing Coach Fulmer. That's fine, I'm not going to sit here and give my thoughts on why he should stay or go. That's not the point I'm trying to make

What I will do is ask why so many of you feel the need to trash the guy personally?We all are in a position to question coaching decisions, from schemes to situational decisions, but I do think that the fat jokes, moving van jokes and for sale signs stuff is way over the top. This is not some coach that has been here for 3-5 years failed to make progress and now it's time to make a change. I totally understand the desire to make a change, but to ridicule a person and make that person a butt of a joke that has devoted the last 30 some odd years of his life to OUR program is pathetic. I'm willing to bet Coach has done more for this University than anybody on this board has ever or will ever come close to doing. It very well may be time for a change, sometimes starting fresh can help provide some much needed energy to a down program. I'm not arguing against it. I guess I'm challenging some of you to stop bashing the guy personally. It is truly embarrassing the way some of you conduct yourself on here. It's as if he has never done anything for our school and we just need to kick him to the curb. He doesn't deserve that from any UT fan. If he is no longer our head coach at the end of the year or even the end of tomorrow, he deserves to leave and be treated w/ respect, not the garbage that a lot of people on here have been spewing lately.

I know this is long so I will quit, so please proceed to rip me apart now. Except spare me any Johnny Majors and "here we go" stuff.
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Brother that was well put, quite a respite from the never ending negativity and personal attacks on Coach. It gets to the point where its depressing like our play on Saturdays.
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RDU VOL#14 said:
That's what I'm talking about. That's good feedback right there. Well put, Outstanding grammar!
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Just curious, but why did you capitalize Outstanding in the middle of that sentence where you were beating up someone else's grammar?
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#46
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He may have done a lot, but he has been compensated very heavily for what he has done and I get paid nothing to pay for ppv or over priced tickets, drinks, etc. and parking.. So yes, he deserves some respect but he deserves to be ridiculed too, he is paid to much over those years not to be.
 
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cotton said:
Eesh...what a load of absolute crap. The only reason for animosity is not winning championships. If the folks calling for his head would stick to their guns, they might actually get it. The man hasn't won a championship in a decade and shows no signs of being capable of winning one in the next. That's a reason for animosity and a reason for letting him go. The rest of your post is garbage that has nothing to do with the "animosity" or whether a coaching change is necessary or appropriate.

His approach with the fans, or disciplinary methods, or success with player development, or--my favorite--money grab, are complete fluff. I can't think of a single coach who is more approachable, isn't susceptible to criticism for his disciplinary practices, has placed more players in the NFL, or would come for less money, that I would want at the helm in Knoxville. I just want somebody that will win ballgames and keep UT off of the NCAA's 10 most wanted list.

The problem with all of the aforementioned tripe is that it is subjective, and on subjective grounds, the folks that want Fulmer's head on a pike are going to lose. Winning is objective; stick to that as your criterium for change.



This is perhaps the only post I've read in the midst of this debacle that is worse than Rasputin's. UT hasn't given Fulmer anything; it contracted for it, whether as a player(which is just a weird thing to bring up) or coach. He has done exactly what he has been paid to do, and that is coach the football team to the best of his ability. If that isn't good enough, the university should let him go and go find someone who can do the job better. I really don't have a problem with that. But to blame the man for accepting what the administration freely offered, including the clause that compensates him for being terminated, is simply absurd.

If, at any moment, Tennessee wants to fire him, they can, they just have to pay him. If you want to aim your ire at something, try the guys who put the school in that situation and are now in charge of making that decision.
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Well stated. How can anyone hold it against a man for accepting money offered to him?

I can bet that every person here would gladly accept it if offered by their employer.

One other thing. I seem to remember not much more than a year ago folks were calling for Paterno's head. Don't seem to be doing so bad right now.
 
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Bigg Tazz said:
So I'm curious how you will fill if CPF makes it thru this yr and wins a bowl game then next yr we win the sec title and win a bcs bowl....will you still be calling for his head? I for one hope this is exactly what happens and we do win big.
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So Tazz let me pose this question, how will you feel if CPF doesn't make it through this year with enough wins for a bowl, remains as coach next year, and our team remains in the SEC cellar? Will you be saying give him another chance?

I don't agree with petty shots at PF, you know the fat jokes and what not, but the man does deserve alot of scrutiny for his ability,or lack thereof, in coaching. He is slipping and that is the cold hard truth.
 
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The HC is essentially a CEO for the company. The position coaches - middle managers and the players - the work force. There is no denying that CFP has had lots of success at UT (at one point there was his 85%+ winning percentage, NC, etc.) BUT... this is just food for thought... he is not calling plays on offense or schemes on defense. It was rumored that Uber oc Norm Chow was courted last season to come to Kville, and passed it up for LA. Instead we get a small time guy whose name is ironically Clawson (Clausen)I guess what I'm asking is: Is it really CFP or problems with the supporting cast?

Are the VOL faithful aiming frustration at the easiest target on the hill?
 
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