Republicans Trying to Start a Civil War in Texas

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85SugarVol said:
There are more people that voted for Democrats in primaries.

Luther votes for R’s in primaries. Hardly makes him a Republican.

Also I believe state wide general election results in Texas would throw water on that narrative. 🤷‍♀️
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yea..they havent had a Dem governor in 30 years
and are considered a Red State
 
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85SugarVol said:
There are more people that voted for Democrats in primaries.

Luther votes for R’s in primaries. Hardly makes him a Republican.

Also I believe state wide general election results in Texas would throw water on that narrative. 🤷‍♀️
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Which is how Texas categorizes party affiliation.
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If you vote in the Democratic primary, for that year in Texas, you are a registered Democrat.

Like I said, it's stupid, but this is the system they use, and under that system there are more Democrats than Republicans.
 
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85SugarVol said:
There are more people that voted for Democrats in primaries.

Luther votes for R’s in primaries. Hardly makes him a Republican.

Also I believe state wide general election results in Texas would throw water on that narrative. 🤷‍♀️
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The newly proposed Texas map would have Austin represented by a republican. Anyone who has ever been to Austin knows it’s probably the most liberal part of Texas. The gerrymander would have them sharing votes with rural Texans 300 miles away. Disenfranchising those voters just because you can isn’t just politics as usual, it’s trying to rule by force. The percentages don’t matter when politicians are choosing their voters instead of the other way around.
 
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volfanhill said:
“My reaction to watching another governor screw his constituents over is to screw my constituents over!”

F-ing brilliant logic.

Not surprising for a man who thinks so little of the people he governs

And yes this Texas re-drawing of the map is horse ****
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The funny thing is that even if California manages to further gerrymander their already highly gerrymandered state to add a few more Dem seats; projections are that they would almost immediately loose about that number in the 2030 census, largely in favor of Texas and Florida. So it is a temporary bandaide for the hemorrhage of voters they are losing. NY is in similar straits.
 
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OHvol40 said:
The newly proposed Texas map would have Austin represented by a republican. Anyone who has ever been to Austin knows it’s probably the most liberal part of Texas. The gerrymander would have them sharing votes with rural Texans 300 miles away. Disenfranchising those voters just because you can isn’t just politics as usual, it’s trying to rule by force. The percentages don’t matter when politicians are choosing their voters instead of the other way around.
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Sharing voters across hundreds of miles you say?
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OHvol40 said:
The newly proposed Texas map would have Austin represented by a republican. Anyone who has ever been to Austin knows it’s probably the most liberal part of Texas. The gerrymander would have them sharing votes with rural Texans 300 miles away. Disenfranchising those voters just because you can isn’t just politics as usual, it’s trying to rule by force. The percentages don’t matter when politicians are choosing their voters instead of the other way around.
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Of course.
But the question wasn’t about whether or not what Texas was doing is “right” - it’s not.

The conversation was about whether California were the good guys, and were now simply being forced to “break the rules”.

They’re not.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Which is how Texas categorizes party affiliation.
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If you vote in the Democratic primary, for that year in Texas, you are a registered Democrat.

Like I said, it's stupid, but this is the system they use, and under that system there are more Democrats than Republicans.
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R’s out vote the D’s by 15 pts in Texas.

Agreed, it’s a pretty stupid way to classify voters. It’s not at all reflective of reality.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Of course.
But the question wasn’t about whether or not what Texas was doing is “right” - it’s not.

The conversation was about whether California were the good guys, and were now simply being forced to “break the rules”.

They’re not.
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No, California doing it does not make them the good guys, in fact it makes them just as complicit. Is California doing it out of spite, are the democrats doing it as a means for survival… probably some of both. California was not the instigator, though.
 
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OHvol40 said:
No, California doing it does not make them the good guys, in fact it makes them just as complicit. Is California doing it out of spite, are the democrats doing it as a means for survival… probably some of both. California was not the instigator, though.
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So this circles back to the question at hand.

Was California just sitting idly by, innocently minding its business, un entangled in all of this mess? Were they forcibly compelled to enter the fray?

No. Not at all.

California is 42-9 D (83%) of the seats. R makes up close to 40% of the vote.

They’ve been an active and willing participant.

We can rightly call out Texas for what they’re trying to do.
California doesn’t get a pass for what they’ve already done.
 
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85SugarVol said:
So this circles back to the question at hand.

Was California just sitting idly by, innocently minding its business, un entangled in all of this mess? Were they forcibly compelled to enter the fray?

No. Not at all.

California is 42-9 D (83%) of the seats. R makes up close to 40% of the vote.

They’ve been an active and willing participant.

We can rightly call out Texas for what they’re trying to do.
California doesn’t get a pass for what they’ve already done.
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Right, and I agree… but if Cali ends up redistricting before the next census, did they do that independently, or were they influenced to by some outside force?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol

www.texastribune.org

Texas leaders have repeatedly claimed the state’s voting maps are race blind. Until the Trump DOJ disagreed.

Gov. Greg Abbott has acknowledged DOJ concerns that some districts were drawn “along strict racial lines.” Critics say it’s a political ploy.
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The trigger for this redistricting session was a 2024 en banc decision from the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. In Petteway v. Galveston County, the court struck down 36 years of precedent and ruled that the Voting Rights Act (VRA) does not allow “coalition” districts, where two or more minority groups combine to form a majority.

That ruling overturned Campos v. City of Baytown (1988), which had long permitted Black and Hispanic voters to be treated as a single legal coalition in redistricting cases. Now, such coalitions are no longer valid in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

The court held that Section 2 of the VRA protects “a class” of citizens, not multiple distinct classes acting together. This means Texas lawmakers can no longer justify majority-minority districts built from overlapping racial and ethnic groups. The legal floor has shifted, and the Legislature must respond.
 
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I just wish both parties would quit feigning innocence or pure motives in Redistricting. It is and always has been a question of political power.
At least the Republicans this time aren’t denying it.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Right, and I agree… but if Cali ends up redistricting before the next census, did they do that independently, or were they influenced to by some outside force?
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Oh it will be in response to Texas ratcheting up.

But it’s just an arms race - one that California has been an active participant in.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
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This is part of what Joe Biden knew the democrats were working on - flood the border to increase numbers in blue states, gerrymandering, and get rid of voter id. You know what democrats are up to based on what they are complaining about or accusing the other side of. The Great Liberal Utopia.

Btw, sorry Joe but we have no idea if there will be a Democrat Party in 2028. Do you?


Biden says he has 'no idea if there will be a Republican Party' in 2024​


www.businessinsider.com

Biden says he has 'no idea if there will be a Republican Party' in 2024

Biden wouldn't promise that he'll run for reelection, but said he expects to run again with VP Kamala Harris on the ticket.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
 
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BeardedVol said:
Did Illinois gerrymander in the middle of a decade after the president called the governor and said "get me 5 more seats"?

Republicans had a chance to mandate independent districting back in 2021, and every one voted against it.
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You don't care about gerrymandering, rather the timing of gerrymandering?
 
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