Replacing Butch... thoughts on hiring coaches

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First, before you label me a nega/pumper/whatever you kids come up with these days...if anyone's ever been bored enough to read anything I've posted, I'm not a huge Butch fan. I was vocal in my disappointment with the last 3 hires. Anywho....

Look at some coaching search history.... Fulmer was an internal hire. Majors came home. So in the last 40 years or so, our true national searches have yielded Bill Battle, Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley and Butch Jones. This is not an "OMG, keep Butch" statement. It's a random thought about how hard this process is and why you need a good AD and some luck.

Bama got lucky with Saban. That's all there is to it.... a combination of timing and desperation on both their parts. Look at what they hired between Stallings and Saban, it was laughable.

Recent searches at UF have yielded Mac (jury is still out), Muschamp, and Ron Zook.

UGA rolled the dice on a coordinator that just lost to Ga Tech and Vandy ( ouch, yes I know)

LSU fired their winningest coach ever to promote a position coach. He may do great, but, as with Dooley, I'm very leery of guys without coordinator experience.

Now look at Texas. 2 different ways to spin Herman. A hot young coach with an exciting offense that beat some high profile teams. Or, a guy with 2 years head coaching experience in the All America Conference with losses to Navy, Memphis and SMU (all double digit underdogs)

Saban and Meyer don't grow on trees. I really don't want to see us cut Butch loose for a gamble on some MAC coach that's had one good year against a bunch of Sun Belt teams.

Now, let's say in some fantasy you get a call from Urban's agent saying he really misses the SEC...you go to Butch's house and help him pack.

Am I in love with Butch and his bumbling pretend-zone-read offense? Of course not, but I'm nervous about what we'd do to replace him.
 
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Spot on reasoning if you ask me. It's better to use logic and reasoning in times like these rather than raw emotions. You've raised a lot of good questions. Questions I'm sure high ups have already presented. How many coaching failures to we have to see to understand the formula needs tweaking? The only man that comes to mind that is in a similar coaching situation is Chip. I would give the green light considering what has become of Oregon since his departure.
 
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Hiring a successful coach is all about timing. Someone in our AD needs to contact Kelly's to judge Kelly's interest immediately. If they do not, well, shame on them. He will not be in San Francisco next year.
 
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Bama did not "get lucky" they had a 10 win coach and knew they would never do any better than that and chose not to settle any more. For some reason UT fans are ok with settling.
 
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Bama did not "get lucky" they had a 10 win coach and knew they would never do any better than that and chose not to settle any more. For some reason UT fans are ok with settling.

I don't think any of our fans are settling. Most seem pretty unhapp judging by the current polls on the forum and reactions from former players.
 
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Chip Kelly would be an outstanding hire. He knows how to run a true spread offense and can get the most out of his playmakers. Imagine what he could do with John Kelly? Just because his style of play didn't translate well to the NFL, doesn't mean he won't do again at the college level. Let him hire a proven OC and DC then we're set to go!
 
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Never gonna happen but imagine Chip Kelly with Charlie Strong as the defensive coordinator. I think I'd faint from excitement.
 
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Bill Battle was on Doug Dickey's staff and promoted to HC when Dickey bolted for Florida. Not quite a national search there.
 
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I don't think Butch is going to be gone this year unless he leaves on his own.

That said, from what I have seen UT isn't willing to pony up the cash or do what it takes to get a proven winner....outside or Serrano and we all see how that's worked so far. Hopefully it will change this season.

Coaching hires in recent years:
Kiffin - umemployed
Dooley - LA Tech
Jones - Cincinnati
Pearl - UW Milwaukee
Cuonzo - SE Mizzou St (I think)
Tyndall
Holly - promoted from within
Serrano - successful elsewhere

Seems like we always hope to find a diamond in the rough and pay the mid to low tier money.

Please go out and get a proven power 5 head coach. Sure that may not work out in the long run but apparently rarely does hiring the mid major budget deal coach.
 
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Bama did not "get lucky" they had a 10 win coach and knew they would never do any better than that and chose not to settle any more. For some reason UT fans are ok with settling.

Shula went 6-6 his last season with wins against Duke, FIU, Vandy, Ole Miss, Hawaii, La Monroe.

I don't think we'd put up with that from a 4th year coach either if Saban was available.
 
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I don't think any of our fans are settling. Most seem pretty unhapp judging by the current polls on the forum and reactions from former players.

Some are. There are a couple of threads basically saying we can't do any better than Butch. Which some said about Dooley also.
 
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Some are. There are a couple of threads basically saying we can't do any better than Butch. Which some said about Dooley also.

That would be a depressing thought. I'm doing some reading on my own about Chip as a college coach, and I'm starting to think this is someone we better not let another team hire. Lol. I'm putting myself in full panic mode starting now.
 
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Not bad except Coach O has coordinator and HC experience....
 
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Chip Kelly would be an outstanding hire. He knows how to run a true spread offense and can get the most out of his playmakers. Imagine what he could do with John Kelly? Just because his style of play didn't translate well to the NFL, doesn't mean he won't do again at the college level. Let him hire a proven OC and DC then we're set to go!

What Chip Kelly did (because presently in the NFL there is no practical way of rerunning the gimmick) is run a gimmick, it will work in the conferences where the defensives are not as good but its not going to work in conferences which focus in on good defensives which have athletes. To be honest, as much as people say how exciting those offensives are... they are quite boring to me.
 
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I personally think we can do better.

Every school but Bama can do better, the question is WOULD we do better.

Would Mullen even come here? He sees a program where 8-4 isn't enough and still has to play Bama every year.

I think it would be extremely hard to lure an experienced coach to a program that fires you for 8-4. It's very likely we'd end up with another mid major experiment
 
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