Remember the excitement when Kiffin announced as UT coach and...

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fossilfiction said:
Or we could have received the death penalty by now. I will always remember hostess-gate.
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If I had to make a bet on it, he probably just did what they did at USC. I'd say the SEC is watched a bit more closely than the Pac 12.

So Kiff pushed the envelope, big deal. Admit to the infraction, and apologize to the NCAA...and carry on.
 
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Frozevol said:
I remember thinking WTF when they hired Kiffen and Jones. Kiffen especially. He had no resume. I thought “Man I must be an idiot or the administration is desperate”. When we hired Dooley I thought, “Man we are desperate”. When we hired Jones, I thought, “Here we go again”. Then it took months to hire a damn AD and I thought, “I have died and gone to hell”. And here we are again and I’m drinking everything in my liquor cabinet hoping to wake up sober and we have an actual coach. hic*
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Most folk are not enjoying our current plight. But the bartenders and liquor store owners are quietly enjoying the windfall.
 
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fossilfiction said:
I would be excited/hopefully optimistic about these guys.

Top tier <- would be pumped since I think all could get us to Atl in year one.
Kelly
Stoops
Patterson
Fuente
Mullen
Petrino


Second Tier <- would be happy and believe they could get us back to Atlanta within a couple of years. With some luck they could get there in year 1.
Strong
Venables
Novell
Leach
Miles
Brohm
Cooter

Third Tier <- could be the right guy in this mix but a lot of other guys said no to get us here. Might take more time but they should be able to take us there but we will be competitive getting there.
Frost
Martin
Pruitt
Fleck

Everyone else would fall into tier 4 where most would require a Google to learn more about.
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Good list. I just really REALLY do not understand anyone wanting Jim Bob Cooter. He's been a an OC in the NFL for just three years and his only college coaching experience was as a GA 10 years ago but we're going make him CEO of UT football?? He has zero experience which would predict success as a head coach at a P5 level (or any level). And ahead of Scott Frost no less?
 
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I knew who Butch was when he was hired only because ESPN did a special segment on him at Cincinnati. During practice he walked around yelling all of those clichès into a microphone. He didn't do ANY coaching at all. Just ran around yelling at "individuals" while their position coaches were actually trying to coach. He seemed like a pest. I haven't liked him since.
 
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andywilson001 said:
Gruden: BOOM
Kelly: BOOM
Petrino: smaller boom, but still boom
Peterson: boom-ish
Patterson: boom-ish
Miles: alrighty then
Stoops: lolwut?
Brohm: meh
Frost: meh
Norvell: meh
Fuente: meh
Leach: meh
Any Current Assistant: meh
Strong: Kill me pls
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Lol at the Strong hate.
 
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andywilson001 said:
Gruden: BOOM
Kelly: BOOM
Petrino: smaller boom, but still boom
Peterson: boom-ish
Patterson: boom-ish
Miles: alrighty then
Stoops: lolwut?
Brohm: meh
Frost: meh
Norvell: meh
Fuente: meh
Leach: meh
Any Current Assistant: meh
Strong: Kill me pls
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I agree but patterson boom
Brohm boom-ish
Kiffin BOOM nuclear winter...BOOM
 
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Frozevol said:
I remember thinking WTF when they hired Kiffen and Jones. Kiffen especially. He had no resume. I thought “Man I must be an idiot or the administration is desperate”. When we hired Dooley I thought, “Man we are desperate”. When we hired Jones, I thought, “Here we go again”. Then it took months to hire a damn AD and I thought, “I have died and gone to hell”. And here we are again and I’m drinking everything in my liquor cabinet hoping to wake up sober and we have an actual coach. hic*
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Same here. I was way passed ready for Fulmer to go, and thought, they fired Fulmer to hire Kiffin? Seriously?
 
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FBtime said:
Good list. I just really REALLY do not understand anyone wanting Jim Bob Cooter. He's been a an OC in the NFL for just three years and his only college coaching experience was as a GA 10 years ago but we're going make him CEO of UT football?? He has zero experience which would predict success as a head coach at a P5 level (or any level). And ahead of Scott Frost no less?
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You might want to ask Peyton about that. JBC was on the offensive coaching staff at Indy and when Peyton went to Denver who did he request? JBC. What's the problem at UT now? Lack of offense. Coach Shoop could keep the continuity going on defense.
There's a chance JBC could be going to Cleveland to coach the Browns thus why Peyton was in Cleveland recently, (Haslem connection). Many feel that Peyton will influence the coaching search and you can be certain that JBC's name will be in the mix. IMO JBC won't leave the NFL but for a price he may consider UT.
 
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tbones0711 said:
You might want to ask Peyton about that. JBC was on the offensive coaching staff at Indy and when Peyton went to Denver who did he request? JBC. What's the problem at UT now? Lack of offense. Coach Shoop could keep the continuity going on defense.
There's a chance JBC could be going to Cleveland to coach the Browns thus why Peyton was in Cleveland recently, (Haslem connection). Many feel that Peyton will influence the coaching search and you can be certain that JBC's name will be in the mix. IMO JBC won't leave the NFL but for a price he may consider UT.
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Good points but as I said there's nothing to suggest he could run a major college football program just because he Peyton likes his offensive acumen. There's a HECK of a lot more involved than that. We cannot hire someone that's never coached or recruited in college. Too big of a risk for too important of a hire.
 
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fossilfiction said:
I would be excited/hopefully optimistic about these guys.

Top tier <- would be pumped since I think all could get us to Atl in year one.
Kelly
Stoops
Patterson
Fuente
Mullen
Petrino


Second Tier <- would be happy and believe they could get us back to Atlanta within a couple of years. With some luck they could get there in year 1.
Strong
Venables
Novell
Leach
Miles
Brohm
Cooter

Third Tier <- could be the right guy in this mix but a lot of other guys said no to get us here. Might take more time but they should be able to take us there but we will be competitive getting there.
Frost
Martin
Pruitt
Fleck

Everyone else would fall into tier 4 where most would require a Google to learn more about.
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I'd say flip flip Frost and Strong. Then spot on. Strong is just a big ? Good at Louisville. Terrible at Texas. Who knows which Strong you will get.
 
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FBtime said:
Is it really though? They were 11-2 last year and finished the year beating South Carolina and they have beaten no one this year.
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They play who is on the schedule and they are winning in their conference. Not sure what they can do about their level of competition anytime soon. UCF and their bowl game are the opportunities they have this year. It does speak volumes about him being better than what he was at Texas. If they continue on their path then someone is going to take hire him away at the season's end.

To be clear he is not my favorite choice. If you say he is not a good coach then that's cool. You have a right to that opinion.
 
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FBtime said:
Is it really though? They were 11-2 last year and finished the year beating South Carolina and they have beaten no one this year.
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He already has them at a higher ranking than Taggart ever got them. And also for his critics out there who said he has no business being a head coach, he was able to come into a new team with a new system in year 1 and rattle off lopsided win after win.

Charlie Football had no business being in the Big 12. However, you are a fool if you think anyone should turn down the Texas job.
 
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UTK said:
I'd say flip flip Frost and Strong. Then spot on. Strong is just a big ? Good at Louisville. Terrible at Texas. Who knows which Strong you will get.
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Strong in the SEC would be better than Strong in the Big 12. The guy has been a defensive minded coach his entire career. Defense doesn't win in the Big 12. He couldn't turn down Texas. Only a fool would. However, Strong doesn't have a good history of OC hires. That is my only hesitation with him.

However, Strong in the East, specifically at UT, is somewhat of an underrated hire.

Lets look at why:

1- he has a chip on his shoulder vs Florida for hiring over him two times after Urban. It has been widely rumored that it was because of his marriage. The guy would go out of his way the try to pummel Florida every year. While UF is on the downtrend, we've only been 1-0 thru our SEC schedule once since 2004. Odds of winning East with a win vs FLorida are a hell of lot better than a loss. Charlie would want to pummel them.

2- he is prolly the best coach in Florida right now that recruits Florida kids.

3- he has SEC and National title championship experience of recent running and recruiting a defense.

4- he has SEC experience at developing talent and putting said talent into the NFL.

5- his model would essentially be to build a team like Kirby Smart. Butch has been a finesse coach trying to gimmick opponents. I would gladly welcome an under center offense that is predicated on power football on both sides of the ball. Has to make a talented OC hire


For the record, Strong is not in my top 3. However, he would be in my top 5 at #5 if he runs off an 11-1/12-0 regular season. Essentially, their last game vs UCF and Frost is going to be a coaching ladder playoff game. One team will be 12-0 and likely crashing the top 8 for a NY6 game.
 
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hlpressley said:
I'd like to see Gary Patterson or Chris Peterson in Knoxville. Has anyone thought about Paul Chryst at Wisconsin?
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Patterson isn't leaving TCU. They are about to be top dogs in the Big 12 for the next 3-4 years. Petersen is not leaving the Northwest. Why can't people understand this?

Paul Chryst is definitely not leaving Wisconsin. That is his dream job and alma mater.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
He already has them at a higher ranking than Taggart ever got them. And also for his critics out there who said he has no business being a head coach, he was able to come into a new team with a new system in year 1 and rattle off lopsided win after win.

Charlie Football had no business being in the Big 12. However, you are a fool if you think anyone should turn down the Texas job.
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Strong inherited the team Willie Taggart recruited and rebuilt. These are the teams he's beaten this year.

- San Jose State Spartans (1-7)
- Stony Brook Sea Wolves (FCS)
- Illinois Fighting Illini (2-4)
- Temple Owls (3-4)
- East Carolina Pirates (1-6)
- Cincinnati Bearcats (2-5)

If you can coach...you can coach...whether it's the Big 12/10, SEC, PAC 10, wherever. It's one thing to not win your conference but with all the resources you have at Texas (unlimited budget, great in-state recruiting, historical program, etc) and you can't even manage a winning record in two out of your three years?? I mean he was WAY worse than Mac Brown whom he replaced.
 
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FBtime said:
Strong inherited the team Willie Taggart recruited and rebuilt. These are the teams he's beaten this year.

- San Jose State Spartans (1-7)
- Stony Brook Sea Wolves (FCS)
- Illinois Fighting Illini (2-4)
- Temple Owls (3-4)
- East Carolina Pirates (1-6)
- Cincinnati Bearcats (2-5)

If you can coach...you can coach...whether it's the Big 12/10, SEC, PAC 10, wherever. It's one thing to not win your conference but with all the resources you have at Texas (unlimited budget, great in-state recruiting, historical program, etc) and you can't even manage a winning record in two out of your three years?? I mean he was WAY worse than Mac Brown whom he replaced.
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Strong had 2.5 years to take over a program and change the culture that Mack Brown ran into the ground.

You are right that Strong had all the recruiting resources at Texas. However, he didn't have full support of fan base or boosters from Day 1.

I can't blame Strong for taking the Texas job. Anyone would be a fool for turning it down. However, defense doesn't win in the Big 12. That is what Strong's whole career was focused on. People forget that. Because of his great South Florida recruiting, he stole some South Florida studs to go to Louisville on offense, which is crazy.

You are right that he also had major issues within his coaching time at Texas because he didn't succeed there. However, his talents are better built for a league based on the SEC. Kirby has worked out well for UGA because he had a tremendous career as a DC for champion Bama program and became a coach at a recruiting giant and built a defense first team.

There is nothing that says Strong couldn't do the same thing in the SEC. I am not arguing with you at all about potential issues with Strong. However, he is better fitted for the SEC than Big 12 because the first thing he would build and recruit and develop is a badass defense. My only reservations with Strong is his ability to go out and hire a quality OC and offensive staff.

There is nothing about his 2.5 years at Texas that discourages me about him being coach at Tennessee. SEC and Big 12 are two totally different leagues. You can't build defense first there.
 
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The hiring of Kiffin was an embarrassment, the culmination of Hamilton's ineptitude as AD.

At the time, the hiring of Jones seemed like a win. Tennessee athletics has been rocked by scandals and was in financial ruin, the football program was down and in disarray. Jones actually wanted the job, believed that Tennessee was a career destination, and was willing to rebuild from desecration.

The truth isn't so bad. Acknowledge it. Doing so doesn't dim the future we all want.
 
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