Religious debate (split from main board)

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#2,151
VolInMn said:
You fail reading, once again. *sigh*

IP said: So what you are saying is because I don't believe, I can't properly comprehend the words of the Bible?
You said: That is exactly what the Bible says....not me.

Therefore, (and try to stay with me on this) IP cannot comprehend the bible because he does not believe.

Ergo, to be able to comprehend the bible, he'd have to believe.

Assuming IP had never read the bible, he would, according to what you said, need to believe it before reading it because otherwise it would lead to incomprehension.

You dig?
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This is why people should stay the hell out of other people's conversations.
IP has said many times that he has read the Bible and does not believe it.
You interjected simply to try to make my comment look bad.....therefore....follow me now......a STUPID comment.
You know what they say about people that "assume".

some of us have been around a whole lot longer than 5 months and have had many discussions about many things....but hey....don't let that stop you from making assine comments when you have no idea what you are talking about
 
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T-TownVol said:
This is why people should stay the hell out of other people's conversations.
IP has said many times that he has read the Bible and does not believe it.
You interjected simply to try to make my comment look bad.....therefore....follow me now......a STUPID comment.
You know what they say about people that "assume".

some of us have been around a whole lot longer than 5 months and have had many discussions about many things....but hey....don't let that stop you from making assine comments when you have no idea what you are talking about
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Well, I've read, believed in it before, and now think it is a load of myths borrowed from other near east religions. It's interpretation has nothing to do with divinity and is largely dependent on the one reading it, of which, all claim is the "word of God".
 
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rjd970 said:
Well, I've read, believed in it before, and now think it is a load of myths borrowed from other near east religions. It's interpretation has nothing to do with divinity and is largely dependent on the one reading it, of which, all claim is the "word of God".
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and I defend your right to take whatever stance you choose.....your point as to this conversation?
 
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#2,160
I was discussing an interesting point today.

If Christians are so confident in their faith, why should they defend themselves with fire arms? Explicitly speaking, shouldn't Christians be ready to die, since the World is a place of misery and sorrow? Wouldn't self-defense hamper the evildoers who commit violent crimes chances to become a Christian?

I have yet to understand this principle, and lately I have been told by many self-proclaiming Christians that being a Christian is a feel-good safe measure just in case no supreme being really exists - but it is better to be safe than sorry. A statement that I feel is hypocritical.
 
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bam15 said:
I was discussing an interesting point today.

If Christians are so confident in their faith, why should they defend themselves with fire arms? Explicitly speaking, shouldn't Christians be ready to die, since the World is a place of misery and sorrow? Wouldn't self-defense hamper the evildoers who commit violent crimes chances to become a Christian?

I have yet to understand this principle, and lately I have been told by many self-proclaiming Christians that being a Christian is a feel-good safe measure just in case no supreme being really exists - but it is better to be safe than sorry. A statement that I feel is hypocritical.
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The Bible doesn't say anything that we can't defend ourselves. As long as we don't instigate the issue, there is nothing wrong with defending ourselves.
 
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bam15 said:
I was discussing an interesting point today.

If Christians are so confident in their faith, why should they defend themselves with fire arms? Explicitly speaking, shouldn't Christians be ready to die, since the World is a place of misery and sorrow? Wouldn't self-defense hamper the evildoers who commit violent crimes chances to become a Christian?

I have yet to understand this principle, and lately I have been told by many self-proclaiming Christians that being a Christian is a feel-good safe measure just in case no supreme being really exists - but it is better to be safe than sorry. A statement that I feel is hypocritical.
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The "better safe than sorry" attitude defeats the purpose of the type of faith most Christians preach. It should all be based on true faith, not hedging your bet.

And yes, one would think any deeply devout person, independent of specific belief, would be eager to die. Most believe going to heaven is the best thing that could ever happen to them but very few are in a hurry to make the trip.
 
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bam15 said:
I was discussing an interesting point today.

If Christians are so confident in their faith, why should they defend themselves with fire arms? Explicitly speaking, shouldn't Christians be ready to die, since the World is a place of misery and sorrow? Wouldn't self-defense hamper the evildoers who commit violent crimes chances to become a Christian?

I have yet to understand this principle, and lately I have been told by many self-proclaiming Christians that being a Christian is a feel-good safe measure just in case no supreme being really exists - but it is better to be safe than sorry. A statement that I feel is hypocritical.
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seriously? this is a legitimate conversation
 
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rjd970 said:
The "better safe than sorry" attitude defeats the purpose of the type of faith most Christians preach. It should all be based on true faith, not hedging your bet.

And yes, one would think any deeply devout person, independent of specific belief, would be eager to die. Most believe going to heaven is the best thing that could ever happen to them but very few are in a hurry to make the trip.
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Having your knowledge of the Bible, would you suggest a christian commit suicide to proves his faith?
 
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T-TownVol said:
This is why people should stay the hell out of other people's conversations.
IP has said many times that he has read the Bible and does not believe it.
You interjected simply to try to make my comment look bad.....therefore....follow me now......a STUPID comment.
You know what they say about people that "assume".

some of us have been around a whole lot longer than 5 months and have had many discussions about many things....but hey....don't let that stop you from making assine comments when you have no idea what you are talking about
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First off, if you want to have a private conversation, an Internet message board isn't the best place.

Secondly, you certainly don't need my help to make your posts look bad. You do a fine job of that on your own.

And finally, my congratulations for having been around here longer. Unfortunately, it hasn't made you smarter.
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
The Bible doesn't say anything that we can't defend ourselves. As long as we don't instigate the issue, there is nothing wrong with defending ourselves.
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But that didn't answer the question.

Why would you want to defend yourself, if a heaven awaits you?

Why would you want to take away the chance of another individual from becoming Christian?
 
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bam15 said:
But that didn't answer the question.

Why would you want to defend yourself, if a heaven awaits you?

Why would you want to take away the chance of another individual from becoming Christian?
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Interesting point.

When you are saved, God calls you into his service. Basically spreading his word. Not to say that having to take a life to save your own, is a not a hard decision.

But on the other hand, how do you spread the gospel, when your dead?
 
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T-TownVol said:
saying...."wait, you have to believe it before you read it" is not stupid?
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Perhaps the better question is how does one know what he/she is to believe if he/she must first believe before comprehending what he/she is reading (thus what the bible instructs them as the truth they accept on faith as a Christian)?
 
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BeecherVol said:
Interesting point.

When you are saved, God calls you into his service. Basically spreading his word. Not to say that having to take a life to save your own, is a not a hard decision.

But on the other hand, how do you spread the gospel, when your dead?
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If that is so, wouldn't it be God's will whether you die or not? I don't think it is God's will to take the life of another man.

I am always reminded by the Rev. MLK Jr's prophetic words in Memphis the day before he died:

Well, I don't know what will happen now. We've got some difficult days ahead. But it doesn't matter with me now. Because I've been to the mountaintop. And I don't mind. Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the promised land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the promised land. And I'm happy, tonight. I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.
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Sounds like the conversation is every where.

If you are talking about understanding what the bible is saying then that can be at any point christian or non christian.

If you are talking about after salvation then a christian believes the holy spirit guides you in your search for truth in the bible.

Understanding the bible is a life long process and the vast majority we will never understand.

The entire point of opening the bible and studying it is using it as a guidebook on how to live your life.
 
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bam15 said:
But that didn't answer the question.

Why would you want to defend yourself, if a heaven awaits you?

Why would you want to take away the chance of another individual from becoming Christian?
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You act like we are dumb sheep here bam. Of course we want to go to heaven, but God gave us a brain and allows us to defend ourselves. As long as we don't murder someone in cold blood, it's fine to defend yourself as a Christian. Also, if it's God's Will that you are going to die, you will, but if it's his Will that you defend yourself, he will make sure you understand to do so.
 
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