Regarding the T word

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and that word is "talent," a word thrown around the forum quite a bit and the source for many a VN debate, argument or name calling. Yes, I know this is from Hyams, but since it is in the past, I have to think it is as close to accurate as possible.

For all of those who want to talk about recruiting classes and stars, I humbly submit that this says all you need to know about what has gone on in Knoxville the last few years.



 
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SaintLouisVol said:
and that word is "talent," a word thrown around the forum quite a bit and the source for many a VN debate, argument or name calling. Yes, I know this is from Hyams, but since it is in the past, I have to think it is as close to accurate as possible.

For all of those who want to talk about recruiting classes and stars, I humbly submit that this says all you need to know about what has gone on in Knoxville the last few years.



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That sucks. Some of these kids also have to realize when you go out and lay an egg just because you don't want a lower tier bowl that doesn't look good on you either.
 
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I think the key is development more so than talent. We have had some talented people come here out of high school and not develop much beyond where they were when they came. It seems like in those years where people weren’t drafted we still had guys picked up via free agency because they had the talent but were projects due to not being developed.
Just my $.02.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
and that word is "talent," a word thrown around the forum quite a bit and the source for many a VN debate, argument or name calling. Yes, I know this is from Hyams, but since it is in the past, I have to think it is as close to accurate as possible.

For all of those who want to talk about recruiting classes and stars, I humbly submit that this says all you need to know about what has gone on in Knoxville the last few years.



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Is that an indicator of lack of talent or an indicator of lack of development?
 
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illvol said:
I think the key is development more so than talent. We have had some talented people come here out of high school and not develop much beyond where they were when they came. It seems like in those years where people weren’t drafted we still had guys picked up via free agency because they had the talent but were projects due to not being developed.
Just my $.02.
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I understand your point and agree. I just get frustrated when people believe we should beat team X simply because we have more "talent." I believe the word is way overrated. I don't even completely understand how it is defined.
 
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BloomuVol said:
Is that an indicator of lack of talent or an indicator of lack of development?
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It's almost certainly both. But primarily, it points to the fact that the program has not produced elite players and that's why they have not won in the conference.

It's kind of like "faith without works" if one is a Scripture reader. "Talent without development..."
 
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it is up to each individual player to develop his own talent to the maximum. It gets down to character and desire. Now I do think coaches can instill some of the desire. But, Natural talent is an innate or inborn gift for a specific activity, either allowing one to demonstrate some immediate skill without practice, or to gain skill rapidly with minimal practice.
 
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1967vol said:
It is up to each individual player to develop his own talent to the maximum. It gets down to character and desire
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It's up to each player to compete at his personal best, provide maximum effort and complete dedication to success. So, to a certain extent you are correct, but the coaches are the teachers. They're responsible for what they're putting in the kids' heads.
 
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Fun fact: Vandy averages about 1 player a year drafted and we cant even compete with then like TSU does who rarely has a player drafted.

Fun Fact: there is a thread titled nega vol media which rips David hooker for telling recruits to think long and hard about coming to Tennessee, in the same page that confirms our inability to but 4 and 5 star talents in the nfl.
 
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volfannbama said:
Fun fact: Vandy averages about 1 player a year drafted and we cant even compete with then like TSU does who rarely has a player drafted.

Fun Fact: there is a thread titled nega vol media which rips David hooker for telling recruits to think long and hard about coming to Tennessee, in the same page that confirms our inability to but 4 and 5 star talents in the nfl.
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Dave Hooker is a no talent, moron who can rarely put together enough legitimate words to form a sentence
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
It's up to each player to compete at his personal best, provide maximum effort and complete dedication to success. So, to a certain extent you are correct, but the coaches are the teachers. They're responsible for what they're putting in the kids' heads.
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Agree, but if you WANT to be successful, you have to do it yourself. No teacher is going to do it for you A good teacher can help, but a bad teacher should not keep you from being successful. Now, in sports, such as football, teachers can require that you do certain things with regard to scheme, but not your skill.
 
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Talent without coachability is a hot mess. Talent without good coaching is a hot mess. There are many moving parts to this, and all of them boil down to the coaching staff's abilities in evaluation, recruiting, and teaching.
 
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It is mostly a matter of development. No, not practice development. It is about muscle development. Most everyone is overlooking that aspect. I don't think Pruitt is overlooking it, but it takes time.
 
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Pruit needs to be the CEO of the team and let his offensive and defensive coaches run the game. Not sure he can or is willing to do that. hat is what Dabo had to learn and do.
 
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Alabama had 54 former players on NFL rosters as of September.

https://www.tidesports.com/alabama-in-the-nfl-54-former-players-on-league-payrolls/

Vols had 30 former players on NFL rosters as of September.

NFL Vols: Updated list of Tennessee players on NFL rosters

Would have thought it would be weighted more in Albamas favor although the Vols had 12 undrafted and obviously nowhere near the high draft choices.

Still doesn't do anything to explain why there is enough talent on the current Vols team to beat Auburn and KY but still get humiliated by Vandy and Missouri.

And if players were trying to tank the season to avoid a bowl game as some are claiming on here, why didn't they go in the tank earlier?
 
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i2amavol said:
It is mostly a matter of development. No, not practice development. It is about muscle development. Most everyone is overlooking that aspect. I don't think Pruitt is overlooking it, but it takes time.
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How do you "develop" desire to be the best you can be? I think that is more "inspiration"
 
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With regards to the upcoming draft, how many seniors are in the 2 deep? 7 or 8?

Stands to reason they won't have many drafted.
 
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1967vol said:
How do you "develop" desire to be the best you can be? I think that is more "inspiration"
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Look up Duckworth's research on measuring and development of grit. It is possible to teach grit. The issue, though, is in the transition from external motivation to internal. You can't have to have someone kicking your ass all the time; you've got to learn to do it on your own.
 
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AshG said:
Look up Duckworth's research on measuring and development of grit. It is possible to teach grit. The issue, though, is in the transition from external motivation to internal. You can't have to have someone kicking your ass all the time; you've got to learn to do it on your own.
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Agree
 
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