REFs

#54
#54
OSU_Buckguy said:
all intentional fouls are not intentional fouls... if you get my drift. it is very common for players to intend to foul other players. it happens at the end of every game that has a difference in score of at least a possession. i don't have any doubt that oden intended to commit a hard foul. he even stated as much. however, committing a hard foul doesn't necessarily mean that the foul should be called intentional. hard fouls are committed all the time. the rules make no mention of a hard foul as being all that's necessary for a foul to be called intentional or even flagrant.

trust me, posting on a buckeye board, i've read a lot about other fans claiming that oden intended to foul and, therefore, should have been called for an intentional foul. that is simply not how the rules work. the ncaa rules make no mention of a player's intent to foul as being the sole determinant of an intentional foul. instead, the player is called for an intentional foul if he doesn't make a play at the ball. just as i mentioned before, oden did not have his hands in a pushing position. his right hand is near enough to the ball to be considered a play at it. the ref who called the foul on oden (more importantly, the ref who didn't call an intentional on oden) was standing just to the right of the action. the first part of oden's body that contacted cage was his chest, with his two arms to the right of cage. if oden had pushed cage with his hands/arms first, i would see where you're coming from. that is simply not the case, however. if you really watch the video, you will see this.
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that's a lot of talk for your vanilla I was blocking a shot type foul.
 
#55
#55
OSU_Buckguy said:
but if there's going to be a discussion about why oden wasn't called for an intentional foul, why is it inappropriate (or at least rarely discussed) for someone to ask why the refs called no foul at all for the arm bar? the picture clearly shows a foul. if the refs had called that foul, there would have been no "intentional" foul. oden would have been at the line shooting two free throws for the lead. i bet we could go through a bunch of inconsistencies for both teams. every game has these calls that could go both ways.
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because the hook or arm bar happens all of the time when people are fighting for position, is rarely intentional, and extremely unlikely to hurt anyone. When someone ends up two rows deep, different debate.
 
#56
#56
tvolsfan said:
Lofton usually gets at least 5 a game.
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absolutely. however, taking no free throws is not uncommon for either j. smith and lofton.
tvolsfan said:
Coffman district.
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i have a funny story about dublin coffman. i ran districts there one year in the 4x800. we were raised in a small area that was unaccustomed to having new facilities. before the race, we made our trips to the restroom. if you are a distance runner, i'm sure you understand. evacuation of all plumbing is necessary before races. so... the group of us goes to the restroom. i do my business at the urinal. my other friends do, too. afterwards, i make way to the wash basin, which is unique in shape. it's circular with a pipe running up the middle. you step on a pedal below to engage the water streams from the pipe. well, as i make my way to the wash basin, i see my friend (our best runner; olympic-level runner) pissing in the sink! :eek:lol: he didn't realize that you're supposed to wash your hands there! needless to say, i didn't wash my hands that time. neither did anyone else who saw what was going on.
BigPapaVol said:
that's a lot of talk for your vanilla I was blocking a shot type foul.
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cage wasn't shooting. he had grabbed the ball under the bucks' basket after a scuffle for the ball.
 
#57
#57
As an Ohio State fan and graduate I would like to say hello and that I have alot of respect for Tennesee and their sports programs respectively.

It is funny for me to read threads from a different perspective on Refs because it has been my belief that Oden has gotten the short end of the stick on officiating. We have been complaining all year that he gets mugged every time tOSU is in their half court set. Infact Matta said in the Columbus Dispatch that when he spoke with Xaviers coach after the game he advised that the scouting book on tOSU is to beat Oden up, most of it wont get called frustrate him and get him to retaliate. For every foul that gets called against Oden three go uncalled. Are gaurds attack the basket much more aggresively than the other teams we have played in the tourny. Say what you will about our luck but if Tenn. Memphis and Xavier dont shoot 3's the way they did its not close. I know thats UT's mo but 9 for 14 in the first half and then Memphis 7 for 10 in the first half is a little better than what these teams do on a regular basis.

That being said Loften is awsome and I am a Bradshaw fan now after these two awsome games. See you next year in B-Ball and hopefully in the BCS (not the Outback bowl)

By the way I graduated from Dublin Coffman
 
#58
#58
BigPapaVol said:
because the hook or arm bar happens all of the time when people are fighting for position, is rarely intentional, and extremely unlikely to hurt anyone. When someone ends up two rows deep, different debate.
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okay, let's assume that arm bars happen all the time. hard contact does, too. also, that an arm bar is common doesn't excuse it. there is still a foul. look at greg's position as the player is holding his arm. oden is bending well back toward the ball. one can hardly claim that this arm bar isn't intentional. the xavier player has his right hand hooked around oden's arm. whether or not this arm bar was going to hurt oden, it's a foul. it's a foul that wasn't called. there is also the situation that led to lighty being knocked to the floor on his shot.

as far as cage ending up two rows deep, that's just exaggeration in an attempt to prove your point. i have made no exaggerations in an attempt to prove mine (this is not a confrontational statement, mind you). as i stated before, you need to watch the camera shot down the length of the floor. this is a camera shot that has been shown only a couple times. you will see as clear as day that cage jumps up in the air. not only do his legs go up, his whole body does, too. this is not the movement you would see from a player that was contacted chest-to-chest by a 280-290 pound guy.
 
#59
#59
You're examining an intentional foul that was improperly uncalled like frickin' CSI. Are you trying to convince me that OSU deserved to win the game? It's judgment call and IMO, they blew it. You clearly believe you have irrefutable scientific evidence based upon player trajectory, family origin, pet's name, that the foul was just ordinary going after the ball type play. Fair enough. Oden's arms flew up reflexively from bumping chests with a guy. Happens to everybody and there's clear scientific reason. I mean, I've been tapped on the knee with Dr's hammer. What happened? My knee flew up in the air.
 
#60
#60
BigPapaVol said:
You're examining an intentional foul that was improperly uncalled like frickin' CSI. Are you trying to convince me that OSU deserved to win the game? It's judgment call and IMO, they blew it. You clearly believe you have irrefutable scientific evidence based upon player trajectory, family origin, pet's name, that the foul was just ordinary going after the ball type play. Fair enough. Oden's arms flew up reflexively from bumping chests with a guy. Happens to everybody and there's clear scientific reason. I mean, I've been tapped on the knee with Dr's hammer. What happened? My knee flew up in the air.
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apparently, you're here to incite. i get that. because of that, i will continue this discussion no further. take care. best of luck to you and your volunteers. they're a good team, and i expect to see many good things from them.
 
#61
#61
bassbuckeye said:
As an Ohio State fan and graduate I would like to say hello and that I have alot of respect for Tennesee and their sports programs respectively.

It is funny for me to read threads from a different perspective on Refs because it has been my belief that Oden has gotten the short end of the stick on officiating. We have been complaining all year that he gets mugged every time tOSU is in their half court set. Infact Matta said in the Columbus Dispatch that when he spoke with Xaviers coach after the game he advised that the scouting book on tOSU is to beat Oden up, most of it wont get called frustrate him and get him to retaliate. For every foul that gets called against Oden three go uncalled. Are gaurds attack the basket much more aggresively than the other teams we have played in the tourny. Say what you will about our luck but if Tenn. Memphis and Xavier dont shoot 3's the way they did its not close. I know thats UT's mo but 9 for 14 in the first half and then Memphis 7 for 10 in the first half is a little better than what these teams do on a regular basis.

That being said Loften is awsome and I am a Bradshaw fan now after these two awsome games. See you next year in B-Ball and hopefully in the BCS (not the Outback bowl)

By the way I graduated from Dublin Coffman
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If we didn't do as good shooting 3's, the game still would of been close. The only difference is that we would have never had a 20 point lead.
 
#63
#63
Tennessee and Memphis games. 2nd half totally favored the OSU in the number of fouls called. Look at the Box Score. 16 fouls called on Tennessee in the 2nd half and 16 fouls called on Memphis Enough Said.

My Intent for this thread was not solely for the OSU-TN game. But for a the most part alot of these tournament games.

VA Game USC Game and several others.
 
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