Recruits being treated fairly

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#51
"I tell ya what, put yourself in this kids parents shoes and then tell me you feel the same way. Or better yet his shoes, five days before signing day! This is not good and regardless of how much anyone spins it, its not right."

Let me tell you what I would appreciate ..... knowing is that I have a small chance ofpalying at Tennessee before I signed rather than after I signed. CLK is doing this young man a favor,, maybe he goes to MSU, Ole Miss, USCjr, KY, etc. and has a great career.

Why would you rather he sign and then not play?
 
#53
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gainesvol82 said:
How many 5'7 170 skill position guys in the SEC that don't have at least 4.4 speed? The fact is that we can get atheltes with his speed who have much better size and fit what we want in a DB or WR. He would be manhandled by bigger DB's or WR's who are his speed or faster.
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LOL, you said 4.2 and 4.3. But, there are only a handful of 4.4 guys in the SEC. Manhandled, How many bump and run coverage schemes have you seen in the SEC?

Also, DT was a RB in high school. He was Travis Stephens type RB. Which ran for 200 yards against Florida in 2001. You need to get your facts straight. Do everyone a favor. Obtain more knowledge on the situations before shoving your opinion down everyones throats!

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=58634

Rushing Receiving KOR Defense
Statistics Att Yds Avg TD No Yds Avg Yds Tck Int BR
2005 (Fr.) 19 210 - 2 - - - - 30 - -
2006 (So.) 60 600 - 7 - - - - 40 - -
2007 (Jr.) 79 632 - 7 - - - - 32 1 8
2008 (Sr.) 123 772 6.3 14 6 57 9.5 186 - - -


Travis Stephens 5.9 190 his senior year

Last time a Player rushed for more than 200 yards: Travis Stephens, Dec 1, 2001 vs. Florida (19 carries for 226 yards)

http://tennessee.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=879&CID=112031

Travis also had 206 yards versus Arkansas in 2001. He is the 9th all time rusher at UT. Even though, Jamal Lewis was there in 97 and 98 with Stephens. Stephens rushed for over 8 yards a carry in 2001. Also, Stephens has the UT record for most yards in a season at 1464!

Although, ESPN had him at over 1500 yards.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=21896

Yeah, Thigpen is too small like Stephens was. We don't want another 1500 yard rusher who averages 8 yards a carry. We might beat UF on a consistent basis. Let's not bring Thigpen to UT. He doesn't fit the system!!!
 
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gainesvol82 said:
Dude, dude.....duuuude. I never said everybody who doesn't like this is a Fulmer supporter. I called out a poster who has acted bitter ever since Fulmer got canned. I'm not trying to force my opinion on everybody but speculating that our coach is a scumbag with only partial info to go on is f'ng ridiculous. I'm failing to understand why UT fans feel DT was entitled to playing time at UT because that's the only thing Kiffin is taking away from him. People need to quit making this out like Kiffin pulled the rug out from under him and is ruining his future because he helped it. I will repeat. DT IS NOT ENTITLED TO A SPOT ON THE ROSTER OR A SCHOLARSHIP BUT KIFFIN WILL HONOR THE SCHOLARSHIP OF A PLAYER HE DOESN'T THINK HE WILL USE. HOW IS THIS "NOT RIGHT"?
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First of all, no one said the kid was entitled to a scholarship. But, you don't tell a kid he doesn't fit the system 8 weeks later. I hope there was another reason. We should find out next week.

Also, here is a previous post of yours.

I love it that all of the Fulmer supporters would rather Kiffin take him and never let him see the field and have a chance at a good college career. How ironic that you guys are criticizing CLK's ethics while Fulmer knowingly played less talented upperclassmen and talented kids didn't receive the proper attention and coaching and basically wasted their talent. Ever wonder why so many underclassmen were getting in trouble? They weren't allowed to contribute. Kiffin will get this program on the same page and ready to compete with each other and the rest of the SEC.

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Can you not read your own posts? You are saying people who are upset about the situation are Fulmer supporters. Which is totally untrue. A lot of Kiffin supporters were upset about Kiffin waiting 8 weeks to tell the kid he didn't fit the system. Now, if there is more to it. I am sure myself and others would be ok with how the situation was handled.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
LOL, you said 4.2 and 4.3. But, there are only a handful of 4.4 guys in the SEC. Manhandled, How many bump and run coverage schemes have you seen in the SEC?

I guess you know more than Rivals and Scout. They have him listed at 6.0 or 6.1. You say he is 5.7. Get your facts straight!
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There are more than a handful of 4.4 guys in the SEC. We have multiple guys in this class with 4.4 speed so you need to stop because you are talking out of your a. DT is listed at 5'7 170 lbs. That is very small and the few guys comparable to his size that do play in the SEC are sub 4.4 speed. He is not. It is also believed that he was even smaller than expected when the coaches met with him in person as recruiting services often have recruits listed bigger and with faster times than is actually the case. Nyshier Oliver is a bigger version and we chose him. He is the one that is expected to get up to 6'1.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
First of all, no one said the kid was entitled to a scholarship. But, you don't tell a kid he doesn't fit the system 8 weeks later. I hope there was another reason. We should find out next week.

Also, here is a previous post of yours.

I love it that all of the Fulmer supporters would rather Kiffin take him and never let him see the field and have a chance at a good college career. How ironic that you guys are criticizing CLK's ethics while Fulmer knowingly played less talented upperclassmen and talented kids didn't receive the proper attention and coaching and basically wasted their talent. Ever wonder why so many underclassmen were getting in trouble? They weren't allowed to contribute. Kiffin will get this program on the same page and ready to compete with each other and the rest of the SEC.

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Last edited by gainesvol82; Yesterday at 01:22 AM.

Can you not read your own posts? You are saying people who are upset about the situation are Fulmer supporters. Which is totally untrue. A lot of Kiffin supporters were upset about Kiffin waiting 8 weeks to tell the kid he didn't fit the system. Now, if there is more to it. I am sure myself and others would be ok with how the situation was handled.
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How exactly does "all of the Fulmer supporters" expand to include every person who is upset about the situation? I referred to specific posters who are known Fulmer apologists and spew a steady stream of negativity about anything Kiffin related. I have no issue with people who are rubbed the wrong way by the timing. I have an issue with people who jump at an opportunity to bash our new coach and make him look like a scumbag without knowing any of the facts of the situation.

It could come out next week that we are all thanking Kiffin for not taking DT and with the way things are shaping up it looks like we might not have had room for him. Kiffin is still honoring the scholly but I'd rather him take the best players he can get than worry about a kid's feelings who will have no problem finding a spot. NSD is not a deadline and DT already has visits lined up with top programs. It's inconvenient but a good life lesson for him.
 
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GainesVol:

I am done arguing with you. The below proves you don't have a clue!!! Learn how to gather accurate information before flying off of the handle at everyone. Also, you need to find someone else to harrass.

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Originally Posted by gainesvol82
How many 5'7 170 skill position guys in the SEC that don't have at least 4.4 speed? The fact is that we can get atheltes with his speed who have much better size and fit what we want in a DB or WR. He would be manhandled by bigger DB's or WR's who are his speed or faster.

LOL, you said 4.2 and 4.3. But, there are only a handful of 4.4 guys in the SEC. Manhandled, How many bump and run coverage schemes have you seen in the SEC?

Also, DT was a RB in high school. He was a Travis Stephens type RB. Stephens ran for over 200 yards against Florida in 2001. Which is the last time we beat them in the swamp. You need to get your facts straight. Do everyone a favor. Obtain more knowledge on the situations before shoving your opinion down everyones throats!

[B]http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com...1&pr_key=58634[/B]

Rushing Receiving KOR Defense
Statistics Att Yds Avg TD No Yds Avg Yds Tck Int BR
2005 (Fr.) 19 210 - 2 - - - - 30 - -
2006 (So.) 60 600 - 7 - - - - 40 - -
2007 (Jr.) 79 632 - 7 - - - - 32 1 8
2008 (Sr.) 123 772 6.3 14 6 57 9.5 186 - - -


Travis Stephens 5.9 190 his senior year

Last time a Player rushed for more than 200 yards: Travis Stephens, Dec 1, 2001 vs. Florida (19 carries for 226 yards)

[B]http://tennessee.rivals.com/content....879&CID=112031[/B]

Travis also had 206 yards versus Arkansas in 2001. He is the 9th all time rusher at UT. Even though, Jamal Lewis was there in 97 and 98 with Stephens. Stephens averaged over 5.5 yards a carry in 2001. Also, Stephens has the UT record for most yards in a season at 1464!

Although, ESPN had him at over 1500 yards.

[B]http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player...playerId=21896[/B]

Yeah, Thigpen is too small like Stephens was. We don't want another 1500 yard rusher who averages almost 6 yards a carry. We might beat UF on a consistent basis. Let's not bring Thigpen to UT. He doesn't fit the system!!!
 
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#61
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OHvol40 said:
wow what smart a$$?
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First of all, I can tell that your maturity level is through the roof since you like to call people names.

Second, to answer your question, I'll ask you one ... how exactly does this give DT plenty of time again? You do know most programs have their scholarships tied up at this point right or they at least have them designated? Also, he has yet to visit any other school. So, I guess I'm just confused as to how this doesn't screw the kid. I know that he could go play at a Kentucky or North Carolina State or something if he wanted. But, what if he wanted to play at a VT, or Alabama, or LSU ... the chances of that are just about nothing at this point. I would bet most schools hardly even know anything about him b/c he was so locked into UT.
 
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And, for the record, I hope there's a legitimate reason behind this. I really do. And I'm really going to stop talking about it b/c this is just beating a dead horse. I'll withhold judgment until all the facts come out.
 
#63
#63
Volfan8282 said:
First of all, I can tell that your maturity level is through the roof since you like to call people names.

Second, to answer your question, I'll ask you one ... how exactly does this give DT plenty of time again? You do know most programs have their scholarships tied up at this point right or they at least have them designated? Also, he has yet to visit any other school. So, I guess I'm just confused as to how this doesn't screw the kid. I know that he could go play at a Kentucky or North Carolina State or something if he wanted. But, what if he wanted to play at a VT, or Alabama, or LSU ... the chances of that are just about nothing at this point. I would bet most schools hardly even know anything about him b/c he was so locked into UT.
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I'll make this as simple as I can for you.

1. NSD is not a deadline.

2. Schools almost always sign more recruits than they need every year.

3. He has offers from UCLA, ND, MSU........ several other "big name" programs.

Any questions?

FWIW, the lack of information/ insight/ effort in your post seems to make your maturity remark hypocritical.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I'll make this as simple as I can for you.

1. NSD is not a deadline.

2. Schools almost always sign more recruits than they need every year.

3. He has offers from UCLA, ND, MSU........ several other "big name" programs.

Any questions?

FWIW, the lack of information/ insight/ effort in your post seems to make your maturity remark hypocritical.
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This is all I'm going to say ... this whole issue is NOT about the NSD. It's the timing of it. A VT or a Bama or a Florida or a whatever top 10 program would've probably snatched this kid up 6 weeks ago. Now, that's highly doubtful b/c those programs have been recruiting other kids that they know better and have a relationship with.

Look, I hope he ends up somewhere great. But, you can't tell me that this doesn't put him behind the 8 ball... whether it's his own fault or because of Kiffin. Your initial comment of "plenty of time" is simply not true.

And, the mere fact that you would put UCLA, ND, and MSU on the same level as Bama, LSU, and VT, in terms of big name programs, speaks volumes for your intellect.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
This is all I'm going to say ... this whole issue is NOT about the NSD. It's the timing of it. A VT or a Bama or a Florida or a whatever top 10 program would've probably snatched this kid up 6 weeks ago. Now, that's highly doubtful b/c those programs have been recruiting other kids that they know better and have a relationship with.

Look, I hope he ends up somewhere great. But, you can't tell me that this doesn't put him behind the 8 ball... whether it's his own fault or because of Kiffin. Your initial comment of "plenty of time" is simply not true.

And, the mere fact that you would put UCLA, ND, and MSU on the same level as Bama, LSU, and VT, in terms of big name programs, speaks volumes for your intellect.
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"this whole issue is NOT about the NSD. It's the timing of it" By your logic they are one in the same, you have to pick one or the other.


"Your initial comment of "plenty of time" is simply not true." Why? I plainly explained to you that there is really no set # of recruits for a school to sign and that NSD is by no means a deadline. So if one of those schools really wanted him they could get him.

"UCLA, ND, and MSU on the same level as Bama, LSU, and VT, in terms of big name programs, speaks volumes for your intellect" Well then, putting words into my mouth speaks volumes to your ability to either read or iterpret the written English language.

And BTW. Even though I never said those programs were on par with any other program, ND vs. VT? Really? Remember YOU said "program" and not "team".

I am done with you now, time to exercise the "ignore troll" option.
 
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#66
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volsgrad89 said:
GainesVol:

I am done arguing with you. The below proves you don't have a clue!!! Learn how to gather accurate information before flying off of the handle at everyone. Also, you need to find someone else to harrass.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gainesvol82
How many 5'7 170 skill position guys in the SEC that don't have at least 4.4 speed? The fact is that we can get atheltes with his speed who have much better size and fit what we want in a DB or WR. He would be manhandled by bigger DB's or WR's who are his speed or faster.

LOL, you said 4.2 and 4.3. But, there are only a handful of 4.4 guys in the SEC. Manhandled, How many bump and run coverage schemes have you seen in the SEC?

Also, DT was a RB in high school. He was a Travis Stephens type RB. Stephens ran for over 200 yards against Florida in 2001. Which is the last time we beat them in the swamp. You need to get your facts straight. Do everyone a favor. Obtain more knowledge on the situations before shoving your opinion down everyones throats!

[B]http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com...1&pr_key=58634[/B]

Rushing Receiving KOR Defense
Statistics Att Yds Avg TD No Yds Avg Yds Tck Int BR
2005 (Fr.) 19 210 - 2 - - - - 30 - -
2006 (So.) 60 600 - 7 - - - - 40 - -
2007 (Jr.) 79 632 - 7 - - - - 32 1 8
2008 (Sr.) 123 772 6.3 14 6 57 9.5 186 - - -


Travis Stephens 5.9 190 his senior year

Last time a Player rushed for more than 200 yards: Travis Stephens, Dec 1, 2001 vs. Florida (19 carries for 226 yards)

[B]http://tennessee.rivals.com/content....879&CID=112031[/B]

Travis also had 206 yards versus Arkansas in 2001. He is the 9th all time rusher at UT. Even though, Jamal Lewis was there in 97 and 98 with Stephens. Stephens rushed for over 8 yards a carry in 2001. Also, Stephens has the UT record for most yards in a season at 1464!

Although, ESPN had him at over 1500 yards.

[B]http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player...playerId=21896[/B]

Yeah, Thigpen is too small like Stephens was. We don't want another 1500 yard rusher who averages almost 6 yards a carry. We might beat UF on a consistent basis. Let's not bring Thigpen to UT. He doesn't fit the system!!!
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Are you mentally challenged? You regularly make me laugh with how you try to make me look stupid and succeed at making yourself look ridiculous. What the hell was the point of your rant about Travis Stephens? Are you honestly thinking that our current staff would want DT at RB? He doesn't fit. His speed is nothing special for his size and we chose a bigger athlete with similar speed. He would have been a ST guys and Kiffin didn't want to use on of this year's schollys on a guy who won't play on most downs. It's not a matter of being able to make DT fit somewhere which I'm sure he would. It's a matter of getting the guys who are best suited to our system right now.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
Are you mentally challenged?
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At least you spelled it right.

I thought I'd just jump in here to suggest everyone skim through the first 15 pages of the DT thread. It accurately portrays the prior events leading up to this situation and may ultimately leave you scratching your head.
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RhodeIslandVol said:
At least you spelled it right.

I thought I'd just jump in here to suggest everyone skim through the first 15 pages of the DT thread. It accurately portrays the prior events leading up to this situation and may ultimately leave you scratching your head.
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Volsgrad is mentally challenged and metally ill. The question is if they are somehow related. :p
 
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OHvol40 said:
"this whole issue is NOT about the NSD. It's the timing of it" By your logic they are one in the same, you have to pick one or the other.


"Your initial comment of "plenty of time" is simply not true." Why? I plainly explained to you that there is really no set # of recruits for a school to sign and that NSD is by no means a deadline. So if one of those schools really wanted him they could get him.

"UCLA, ND, and MSU on the same level as Bama, LSU, and VT, in terms of big name programs, speaks volumes for your intellect" Well then, putting words into my mouth speaks volumes to your ability to either read or iterpret the written English language.

And BTW. Even though I never said those programs were on par with any other program, ND vs. VT? Really? Remember YOU said "program" and not "team".

I am done with you now, time to exercise the "ignore troll" option.
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Wow ... I actually throw facts in your face, and you ignore me. Way to take your ball and go home.

First, I will attempt to explain this again. The NSD and the timing of this are TWO entirely different things. The NSD is when most scholarships are used up. Most ... not all. I understand that. But, this still puts the kid behind the 8 ball, especially for a big time program. He didn't even take visits anywhere else. The closer to NSD that something like this happens, the worse it is for the kid. So, I'm not saying that it's the end of the world because now he can't sign anywhere because NSD would be the last day he could sign. That's not what I'm saying. If you don't understand that, then I don't know how to dumb it down any more for you.

Second, all schools have a certain number of scholarships. I would seriously doubt that DT would go to a VT or Bama without getting a scholarship.

Third, your direct quote was "He has offers from UCLA, ND, MSU........ several other "big name" programs." When you say "other", this insinuates that UCLA, ND, and MSU are "big name" programs and that he has offers from other "big name" programs as well. You put that in quotes because I had called Bama, LSU, and VT that. Again, if you don't see how this means that you are equating MSU and LSU as both being "big name" programs, then I'm sorry.

And, yes, I live in the present. VT would've beat ND by 25 this year, and VT wasn't even that great. I mostly threw VT in there b/c he's from Virginia and might want to stay closer to home. I will concede that of those 3 teams (UCLA, ND, and MSU), ND is on a higher level. But, it amazes me that people still think of ND as this great program. ND has incredible entrance requirements. 20-25 years ago that still worked. It does NOT work in today's world ... unless someone like Meyer goes there, and every smart, incredible football player decides to go play for him. Although, I will say, that DT would have no problem going there ... 1420 SAT.
 
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