Recruiting Rankings last 5 years: UT vs Oregon

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Per Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2006 Team Recruiting Rankings

UT vs Oregon
2006: #23 vs #49
2007: #3 vs #11
2008: #35 vs #19
2009: #10 vs #32
2010: #9 vs #13

If only we could get a trophy for winning the recruiting game. Anyways isn't Oregon a little overrated talent wise? Even with the players who have left, on paper we should have the more talented team.

And yes I'm aware of all the attrition from UT, Bryce Brown among others.
 
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Now if we could find where they all went. Because those people sure aren't playing football for UT.
 
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Just because we have better classes doesn't mean anything.....look at our attrition compared to theres and I bet they have most of their guys still there
 
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Oregon does a great job of finding players that fit their system. Ex. masoli and Lamichael James
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I'd like to see somebody do the numbers with the talent we have left and the talent they have also. I bet they beat us in ranking hands down...
 
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Which ESPN analyst said Oregon had a lot more speed and playmakers than the Vols after watching Spring Camp?
 
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utgibbs said:
Which ESPN analyst said Oregon had a lot more speed and playmakers than the Vols after watching Spring Camp?
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Somebody said that? I don't think we are gonna lack for speed in our skill players on both sides of the ball, and some of that was not to be seen in the spring. If O can't beat us with better hosses in the trenches, then it just might not be in the cards for them to beat us.
 
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Two things....

1. At some point, a player stops being a 4 star (or whatever) recruit and starts being evaluated based on achievement at the college level.

2. "I'm aware of all the attrition". well, then what's so confusing. You have a top 10 class of 20 and 7 leave due to transfer or whatever reason.....then, it's not a top 10 class anymore. I think it's fair to say at this point that the kiffin class is a horrible recruiting class.
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99gator said:
Two things....

1. At some point, a player stops being a 4 star (or whatever) recruit and starts being evaluated based on achievement at the college level.

2. "I'm aware of all the attrition". well, then what's so confusing. You have a top 10 class of 20 and 7 leave due to transfer or whatever reason.....then, it's not a top 10 class anymore. I think it's fair to say at this point that the kiffin class is a horrible recruiting class.
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It's certainly fair to say it is not a Top 10 class.

And the 2007 is not a Top 3 class either. I recall enormous attrition there. Roughly, I think it was one-half grades + one-half Kiffin.
 
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Recruiting class rankings are no more relevant than preseason polls. The thing that really matters is the coaching staffs ability to teach the kids they bring in. If you have a staff that can teach football and a kid that has the physical requirements and a desire to learn you will win PERIOD.
 
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Can't speak for Oregon, but we've been decimated by attrition. All programs experience it, but no way they've had it worse than us.

I would guess that our remaining talent is comparable to what Oregon has, but we are much shorter on experience in the most important positions (o-line, DT and QB).
 
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I will never understand why people give so much credit to recruiting rankings. It means absolutely nothing. Just like the AP poll. It means nothing anymore.
 
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oklavol said:
Per Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2006 Team Recruiting Rankings

UT vs Oregon
2006: #23 vs #49
2007: #3 vs #11
2008: #35 vs #19
2009: #10 vs #32
2010: #9 vs #13

If only we could get a trophy for winning the recruiting game. Anyways isn't Oregon a little overrated talent wise? Even with the players who have left, on paper we should have the more talented team.

And yes I'm aware of all the attrition from UT, Bryce Brown among others.
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players left for each:

2006: UT has 6 players left, Oregon has 9 left
2007: UT has 11, Oregon has 15
2008: UT has 12, Oregon has 10
2009: UT has 18, Oregon has 21
2010: not yet determined for either school
 
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LWSVOL said:
players left for each:

2006: UT has 6 players left, Oregon has 9 left
2007: UT has 11, Oregon has 15
2008: UT has 12, Oregon has 10
2009: UT has 18, Oregon has 21
2010: not yet determined for either school
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So they have retained 8 more players. I think the talent is comparable but ours is much younger. Playing in Knoxville gives us the edge, we will win. Of course I was convinced we would beat UCLA last year. :)
 
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I think we get a lot of good players in.. They just seem to leave.. Look how many players left when LK took over... LK cost us a lot of spots (even if you like, love or hate him).. Between the players he ran off, recruited that were really thugs orn talked out of coming here due to the fact that they were offered a scholly before he got here and they "didn't fit his system"... Then couple that with the fact that Fulmer and crew didn't recruit well his last few years and our talent level is down.. IMO we still have talent just not as much as we could have had..
 
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cutnitclose said:
I think we get a lot of good players in.. They just seem to leave.. Look how many players left when LK took over... LK cost us a lot of spots (even if you like, love or hate him).. Between the players he ran off, recruited that were really thugs orn talked out of coming here due to the fact that they were offered a scholly before he got here and they "didn't fit his system"... Then couple that with the fact that Fulmer and crew didn't recruit well his last few years and our talent level is down.. IMO we still have talent just not as much as we could have had..
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Thats gonna happen when you have 3 coaches in 3 years. If this staff has some success and stays we wont have so many players leaving.
 
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Vols4evr said:
Thats gonna happen when you have 3 coaches in 3 years. If this staff has some success and stays we wont have so many players leaving.
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This.

In addition, Dooley's "Character + Stars" policy, if effective, should reduce attrition full stop. I think based on a hoard of data LWS put together this off-season, the SEC averages about 20-25% attrition. With a coaching change that goes up 20%-25%.
 
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Vols4evr said:
Thats gonna happen when you have 3 coaches in 3 years. If this staff has some success and stays we wont have so many players leaving.
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True... We have really went through some coaches (It is up for debate who's fault that part of the equation is/was)... I think/hope they will be here for awhile as we really need some stability for awhile... Hopefully the success will follow also... :hi:...
 
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utgibbs said:
This.

In addition, Dooley's "Character + Stars" policy, if effective, should reduce attrition full stop. I think based on a hoard of data LWS put together this off-season, the SEC averages about 20-25% attrition. With a coaching change that goes up 20%-25%.
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I (like everyone) do not have any idea of how it will translate to the field (hopefully it well work well), but I sure like the way it sounds.... I really like the idea of high character players compared to some of the players we have had in the past.. I think we currently have and have had (in the past) a lot of high character players now and in the past.. I think they have been over shadowed by some *not so high character players in the news all of the time...

* I was going to say a few other things in the place of the bolded text, but Freak and/or the Mods would have put me in time out for a couple of days if I would have typed what I was actually thinking :)
 
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LWSVOL said:
players left for each:

2006: UT has 6 players left, Oregon has 9 left
2007: UT has 11, Oregon has 15
2008: UT has 12, Oregon has 10
2009: UT has 18, Oregon has 21
2010: not yet determined for either school
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WOW!!! Only an 8 player differential. Nice work if your source is accurate. I am not sure our talent is way off from most other programs, other than the top 6 -10 programs in the country. Unfortunatly several of those are in the SEC...
 
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Big Orange Bo said:
WOW!!! Only an 8 player differential. Nice work if your source is accurate. I am not sure our talent is way off from most other programsm other than the top 6 -10 programs in the country. Unfortunatly several of those are in the SEC...
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LWS always know his stuff.. He really amazes me how he can pull stuff.. I wouldn't know where to even start to gather the info he is able to provided...
 
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oklavol said:
Per Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2006 Team Recruiting Rankings

UT vs Oregon
2006: #23 vs #49
2007: #3 vs #11
2008: #35 vs #19
2009: #10 vs #32
2010: #9 vs #13

If only we could get a trophy for winning the recruiting game. Anyways isn't Oregon a little overrated talent wise? Even with the players who have left, on paper we should have the more talented team.

And yes I'm aware of all the attrition from UT, Bryce Brown among others.
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Precisely. Oregon relies on a creative and unique offensive scheme much more than individual talent, as well as what was, under Belotti, a strong run of great defensive coaches. Here's a current comparison of the talent by HS recruiting rankings:

Tennessee
QB: #20
RB: #51; #9
WR: #2; #53; #4
TE: #55; #119
OT: #9; #112
OG/C: #124; #68; #141

DE: #38; #43
DT: #356; #74
LB: #167; #91; #52
CB: #40; #94; #17
S: #27; #46

Oregon
QB: #22
RB: #41; #3
WR: #21; #128; #117
TE: #25
OT: #48; #204
OG/C: #34; #241; #193

DE: #19; #172
DT: #63; #95
LB: #52; #70; #71
CB: #19; #205; #423
S: #39; #118

So comparing, from a recruit perspective:
QB: Even
RB: Oregon
WR/TE: Tennessee
OT: Tennessee
OG/C: Even

DE: Tennessee
DT: Oregon
LB: Oregon
CB: Tennessee
S: Tennessee

So, basically, talent, in terms of recruiting, is very even or slightly in favor of us, after accounting for all attrition, injuries, etc.
 
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