Recruiting in Tennessee

#26
#26
Yankee_Vol said:
I like turtles.

Tennessee doesn't produce as many top talents as the surrounding states. Always taking the "hometown" kid isn't going to win you games if you can get a better prospect.[/QUOTE


The schools that recruited them found value in them right. Well there must be more to the story then what we know.
Click to expand...
 
#27
#27
LynxVol said:
Not picking on you, but also, who are these "elite RBs" you're speaking about? We know exactly why we didn't take Kimbrow, and he hasn't even played a down in CFB. The same can be said for Jovon Robinson and I'Tavius Mathers. Neither have played a down in CFB. Calling them elite is very debatable.

Moreover, since we hired CJG, we've been recruiting the type of RBs that we should expect to recruit, the elite ones, namely, Dye, Tenpenny, Henry, D. Green, etc.
Click to expand...

I'm stating the fact's we are competing with Bama, FL, S.Carolina, UGA, Auburn, LSU who have a lot deeper talent pools than the state of TN. Because Tennessee has a limited amount of "top rated" prospects each year we should be signing 90% of them. If you perceived that I didn't do my homework before I posted you Sir are incorrect. Here are some of the guys that the VOLs needed that chose to go out-of-state. By elite I mean in terms of recruiting ranking, measurables, and position need. We Have TWO of 22 starters from the state of TN.

Before Dooley
-Marlon Brown WR (UGA Starter)
-Derrick Webb LB (Colorado Starter)
-Barrett Jones OL (Bama all-american)
-Donta Hightower LB (Bama all-american)
-Dontari Poe DL (Memphis 1st rd pick)
-David Spurlock-OL (4 year starter FL state)
-Michael McAdoo(plays for Baltimore Ravens, DL)
-Tenarius Wright(Starter LB for Ark)
-Randell Cobb (biggest miss in UT recruiting, 2nd rd pick)

Last two years

-I'Tavius Mathers,4* (back-to-back 2000yd seasons Ole Miss)
-Mark Dodson 4* (MVP at Nike Combine Memphis Ole Miss)
-Jovon Robinson, 4* (every down type RB UT needs (Auburn)
-Jordan Wilkins, 4* (best RB prospect to come from TN in years 210lbs 4.4fourty Auburn)
-Brian Kimbrow, 4* (C.Rainey&J.Demps style 4.3fourty on lazers Vanderbilt)
-Jalen Ramsey, 4* (Shut-down CB MVP of multiple National Camps USC)
-Frank Heron, DE 4* (good addition to our 3-4 or 4-3 LSU)
-Graham Shuler, 4* (OL Top OL at U.S. Army game Stanford)
-Sheldon Dawson 3* (ATH 4.4fourty CB or RB UGA)
-Will Redmond, 4* (ATH Miss St. would add depth at CB or WR)

I understand that we will not get every prospect, but there is no reason that the VOLS should have this many misses on elite prospects. I think we did a good job in 2010&2011, but take a look for yourself. Do you think Saban, Richt, Spurrier, L.Miles, or W.Muschamp would let this happen? I am in full support of D.Dooley and I don't think he will be fired.

Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com Ranking - Rivals.com Tennessee Postseason Top 25 2012
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#28
#28
Rudy123 said:
" For some reason, we can't get the top guys in our state"


Antonio RIchardson
Al Wilson
Cedric Wilson
Chuck Webb

You are absolutely correct, we can't get the top guys in our own state......
Click to expand...

I didn't say we have never gotten the Top TN prospect, I said we cannot consistently get them. And sorry old balls, I am a current UT Student and I was 7 when these guys played at UT.
Al Wilson
Cedric Wilson
Chuck Webb

They are legends, but their time has come and gone. Its time for some new TN legends.
 
#30
#30
AbarVolfan15 said:
I didn't say we have never gotten the Top TN prospect, I said we cannot consistently get them. And sorry old balls, I am a current UT Student and I was 7 when these guys played at UT.
Al Wilson
Cedric Wilson
Chuck Webb

They are legends, but their time has come and gone. Its time for some new TN legends.
Click to expand...

you were 7 when Chuck Webb and Al Wilson played?
 
#32
#32
AbarVolfan15 said:
Last two years

-I'Tavius Mathers,4* (back-to-back 2000yd seasons Ole Miss)
-Mark Dodson 4* (MVP at Nike Combine Memphis Ole Miss)
-Jovon Robinson, 4* (every down type RB UT needs (Auburn)
-Jordan Wilkins, 4* (best RB prospect to come from TN in years 210lbs 4.4fourty Auburn)
-Brian Kimbrow, 4* (C.Rainey&J.Demps style 4.3fourty on lazers Vanderbilt)
-Jalen Ramsey, 4* (Shut-down CB MVP of multiple National Camps USC)
-Frank Heron, DE 4* (good addition to our 3-4 or 4-3 LSU)
-Graham Shuler, 4* (OL Top OL at U.S. Army game Stanford)
-Sheldon Dawson 3* (ATH 4.4fourty CB or RB UGA)
-Will Redmond, 4* (ATH Miss St. would add depth at CB or WR)


Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com Ranking - Rivals.com Tennessee Postseason Top 25 2012
Click to expand...

How many of these guys did we heavily recruit? Maybe half of these? And of the players you list, how many of them weren't as good as the out of state player we signed at the same position?

Also, how many running backs do you think we should take, because about half of those are RBs, and we have done a good job at signing high end but not elite RBs (such as the ones you list above). We just haven't signed a truly elite RB in recent history. None of the guys you list are the answer to that.
 
Last edited:
#33
#33
The Memphis kids are instate but not instate. There are many sec schools closer than UT. Northern Georgia is easier to pull from than West Tennessee.
 
#35
#35
I sorta think the OP wants us to have a team with 15 good in-state running backs. It's going to be hard to field a team that way. We have enough of those from out of state (Lane, Neal, Borque, etc were all good 4* recruits). The scatbacks we didn't need because we have Watson and Devrin Young.

You don't take someone just because they are in-state and pretty good. If we aren't filling recruiting needs with these people then taking them is losing another scholarship that could be spent elsewhere.

Tennessee's current recruiting strategy should be pretty clear to everyone by now. Try hard to get the 2-3 guys from in-state that you really want. Then recruit based on the coaches need's and evaluations regardless of state.
 
#36
#36
Although I don't think the instate RB's have been Elite, I do see the OP point of it's a major need and we can't get them here.. And maybe we wasn't after them as hard but they still chose ole miss an Auburn..

In other news, we are recruiting very well nationally!

GO VOLS!! VFL!!
 
#37
#37
I don't expect the Vols to get every prospect. Obviously I know some of these guys aren't "takes", but to miss and not get a single one of these prospects, and have a serious need at several of the positions including RB. These is something not right there. Yall have to agree with me on the point.
 
#38
#38
peewee said:
Although I don't think the instate RB's have been Elite, I do see the OP point of it's a major need and we can't get them here.. And maybe we wasn't after them as hard but they still chose ole miss an Auburn..

In other news, we are recruiting very well nationally!

GO VOLS!! VFL!!
Click to expand...

I agree. I don't think we are recruiting poorly as a whole. The VOLs have recruited better than anyone in the country at WR, but then again if we wanted to talk about that we'd be in the "Dooley WR recruiting" not the "Recruiting in TN" threads.
 
#39
#39
AbarVolfan15 said:
I agree. I don't think we are recruiting poorly as a whole. The VOLs have recruited better than anyone in the country at WR, but then again if we wanted to talk about that we'd be in the "Dooley WR recruiting" not the "Recruiting in TN" threads.
Click to expand...

I wouldn't go to the "Dooley WR recruiting" thread to talk WRs, that thread ended up in the dumpster quick.
 
#40
#40
Kangenwatervol said:
I noticed that some of the top recruits in Tennessee have committed to other schools. I know it’s early in the process I feel like we are going to have a good class. But I really would like to see them at Tennessee. What are your thought’s?
Click to expand...

"Kangen Water.. 9.5!"
 
#41
#41
AbarVolfan15 said:
I'm stating the fact's we are competing with Bama, FL, S.Carolina, UGA, Auburn, LSU who have a lot deeper talent pools than the state of TN. Because Tennessee has a limited amount of "top rated" prospects each year we should be signing 90% of them. If you perceived that I didn't do my homework before I posted you Sir are incorrect. Here are some of the guys that the VOLs needed that chose to go out-of-state. By elite I mean in terms of recruiting ranking, measurables, and position need. We Have TWO of 22 starters from the state of TN.

Before Dooley
-Marlon Brown WR (UGA Starter)
-Derrick Webb LB (Colorado Starter) - lol
-Barrett Jones OL (Bama all-american) - developed
-Donta Hightower LB (Bama all-american) - miss
-Dontari Poe DL (Memphis 1st rd pick) - lol, he was at Memphis for a reason, and he was drafted so high simply because he is a pure NT and blew-up the combine. Don't be naive.
-David Spurlock-OL (4 year starter FL state)
-Michael McAdoo(plays for Baltimore Ravens, DL)
-Tenarius Wright(Starter LB for Ark)
-Randell Cobb (biggest miss in UT recruiting, 2nd rd pick) - miss

Last two years

-I'Tavius Mathers,4* (back-to-back 2000yd seasons Ole Miss)
-Mark Dodson 4* (MVP at Nike Combine Memphis Ole Miss)
-Jovon Robinson, 4* (every down type RB UT needs (Auburn)
-Jordan Wilkins, 4* (best RB prospect to come from TN in years 210lbs 4.4fourty Auburn)
-Brian Kimbrow, 4* (C.Rainey&J.Demps style 4.3fourty on lazers Vanderbilt)
-Jalen Ramsey, 4* (Shut-down CB MVP of multiple National Camps USC)
-Frank Heron, DE 4* (good addition to our 3-4 or 4-3 LSU)
-Graham Shuler, 4* (OL Top OL at U.S. Army game Stanford)
-Sheldon Dawson 3* (ATH 4.4fourty CB or RB UGA)
-Will Redmond, 4* (ATH Miss St. would add depth at CB or WR)

I understand that we will not get every prospect, but there is no reason that the VOLS should have this many misses on elite prospects. I think we did a good job in 2010&2011, but take a look for yourself. Do you think Saban, Richt, Spurrier, L.Miles, or W.Muschamp would let this happen? I am in full support of D.Dooley and I don't think he will be fired.

Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com Ranking - Rivals.com Tennessee Postseason Top 25 2012
Click to expand...

Your version of elite prospect is just ludicrous. Did I not explain that clearly in my first post? Kimbrow, Robinson, and Mathers haven't even touched the field for their respective schools. IIRC, Kimbrow had the elite offer list of the three. The guy is tiny, and I've preached many times. We'll see if he pans out. How is Sheldon Dawson elite? Will Redmond is another guy who hasn't played a down. He was down to UT and MSU. Those aren't exactly "elite schools." We didn't recruit Herron hard for some reason, I don't know. We missed on Ramsey.

So, the players you listed "before Dooley" is laughable. Not many of those guys were highly recruited out of HS, and their offer lists/rankings don't compare to the list below. The good ol' power of hindsight.
 
#42
#42
dlw4n said:
How many of these guys did we heavily recruit? Maybe half of these? And of the players you list, how many of them weren't as good as the out of state player we signed at the same position?

Also, how many running backs do you think we should take, because about half of those are RBs, and we have done a good job at signing high end but not elite RBs (such as the ones you list above). We just haven't signed a truly elite RB in recent history. None of the guys you list are the answer to that.
Click to expand...

We heavily recruited Ramsey and Redmond. Wilkins is debatable. That's it. Again, this is coming down to the in-state or out-of-state argument. In regards to OL recruiting, I think we've made-up for/compensated the "misses," if you will, on the in-state guys by picking up top out-of-state guys like Posey, Marcus Jackson, etc.
 
#43
#43
Tennessee targets the players that they want to get. Some end up at other schools, barett Jones, Daunte Hightower, and we get some. Antonio Richardson. The remaining players like Patrick Willis or Cobb that U.T. shows no interest in, end up at Ole Miss or Kentucky.
 
#45
#45
This is not a complete list and in random order, these are all Tennessee kids currently on the roster, some highly recruited, others less. We're not going to get them all, and CDD may evaluate a player differently than another coach, sometimes maybe we don't have a need at a position, sometimes there are "issues" behind the scenes or grades. Maybe they like Blanc over Kimbro or maybe Kimbro just isn't interested in Tennessee, for instance.

Drae Bowles
Tiny Richardson
Marsalis Teague
Devrin Young
Rod Wilks
Eric Gordon
Tino Thomas
Cody Blanc
Ben Bartholomew
Greg King
Jacques Smith
Mack Crowder
James Stone
Joseph Ayers
Daniel Hood
Kyler Kerbyson
Alex Bullard
Zach Rogers
Brendan Downs
George Bullock
 
#46
#46
Not to mention we already have 5 in-state recruits committed for next year.
 
#48
#48
Not to mention Pre Season All Sec 1st team selection....Alex Hurst of LSU. He is from Arlington TN just outside of Memphis. Oh yea, don't forget about 2* LB out of Bruceton TN (Pro Bowler Patrick Willis)
 
#50
#50
UTFanForLife said:
I thought we determined Memphis wasn't actually in Tennessee...?
Click to expand...

Heads up yall this guys gets to redetermine the boarders of U.S. States.
It doesn't matter whether the posters on here perceive these prospects as elite. The national recruiting services decided they were elite. The main problem here is UT is not pursuing or landing enough of the top talent in-state on a consistent basis. The top talent then precedes to go to other SEC, ACC etc. schools does exceptionally well. Yes, we land a top TN 4* once or twice a year, but we also lose 3 or 4 top guys to Bama, USC, or Auburn every year.
Say a guy like Brian Kimbrow, yes we have Q.Watson and Devrin Young, but would you really take Q over Kimbrow? Teams like Bama, UGA, or LSU stock the roster with talent so they can reload. Do yall disagree with loading the roster with depth?
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement



Back
Top