Recruiting Forum Talk XXXVIII

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It won't happen clearly but I wonder how bad the meltdown would be if gruden went to Florida 😂
 
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drvenner said:
It is 100% an eligibility issue. The Harricks at Georgia did something very similar and got hammered for it. If it is eligibility, it is an NCAA issue.
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There is a fine line I agree but iirc the Harricks were taking classes for their players just like Tyndall.
 
#7,882
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Gruden would have to be living under a rock to not know how hot Butch's seat is right now, especially if he has been reached out to as has been said by a few insiders on here. I get that his son is at UT and it makes a ton of sense but he would know people will see him and go nuts with excitement😊
 
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Lovesomebigorange said:
Gruden would have to be living under a rock to not know how hot Butch's seat is right now, especially if he has been reached out to as has been said by a few insiders on here. I get that his son is at UT and it makes a ton of sense but he would know people will see him and go nuts with excitement😊
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He is just an attention loving tease
 
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BruinVol said:
There is a fine line I agree but iirc the Harricks were taking classes for their players just like Tyndall.
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Harrick's son was the teacher of a basketball strategy class. Several players on the team had enrolled, didn't attend, and received credit. A sham class for them. I guess it can be described as an impermissible benefit.

Yet, UNC's sham classes lasted for 18 years and were pushed by advisors and a manager in the department. Much higher up than the UGA situation.
 
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Hey guys, posted this in FF but wanted to get your thoughts. I like Butch on a personal level, but he very well may not be the guy. We've looked like a poorly coached team this year. However, there are two things I genuinely don't understand that I hear all the time from CBJ critics:

1) "This is year 5! How can we be this bad in year 5?"

Why is this surprising to you? It's college football. Players are here for a period of 4 years. When you replace your 3.5-year starter at QB, one of the best in college football, a drop-off is to be expected. Look at Florida the season after Tebow (lost 5 games) or Texas after Vince (lost 3 games) [disclaimer: not saying Dobbs was on their level]. So, while many are saying, "It's year 5; this regression is unacceptable," maybe a more accurate view would be, "It's year 5 (first year post-Dobbs), this regression is expected."

It's as if the critics are ignoring the cyclical nature of college football and expecting a linear progression where every season is better than the previous one. That's not how any of this works. Heck, everyone said last year was THE year for a reason. And it actually was, before the 11th plague of Moses hit the locker room.


2) "We can keep Butch if and only if we finish 9-3."

Besides this being incredibly unlikely, it's a classic case of moving the goalposts. What's more, you're moving the goalposts further away from someone who's coming up short of the already established goalposts. Before the season, almost everyone agreed 8-4 was the "par" expectation. Now that we've had a terrible start, why change that expectation?

It's like your boss telling you you must sell 1,000 widgets this year or you're fired. Then, when half the year is over and you've only sold 200, he informs you that you actually need to sell 1,500. Why? I may not reach the expectation, based on my terrible start, but let me fail or succeed fairly and honestly.

If Butch goes 8-4, that means he will have won 5 of the last 7 (with one loss @ Bama), and given us a chance to win a bowl game and reach 9 wins for the third straight year. Holding him to a more stringent standard than generally agreed upon before the season reveals in critics either mid-season emotionalism (those who didn't consider what 4 losses actually feel like), personal animus (those who let press-conference Butchisms ruin their day), or prioritization of aesthetics (those who reject every moral victory and accept every moral defeat).



I understand we've looked awful, but these two commonly held views on VN really don't seem reasonable to me.
 
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BruinVol said:
It's a tricky topic for sure but I know one in state school where coaches still teach classes. Even their own players.


Acedmic fraud is generally a school thing to regulate. IMO the NCAA should stay out of it unless the coaches and admistrators were facilitating the fraud like you mention.
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I was a faculty member that was part of the panel deciding an academic honor code violation for an athlete once. They had a person from the athletic department there with the student, but the person wasn't allowed to say anything, which was probably for the best because the athletic department rep looked like she was ready to kill us all.

I'd be willing to bet if that situation was handled internally, the player wouldn't have faced any repercussions. Because it was handled on the academic side, the outcome was quite a bit different.
 
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RiotVol said:
I was a faculty member that was part of the panel deciding an academic honor code violation for an athlete once. They had a person from the athletic department there with the student, but the person wasn't allowed to say anything, which was probably for the best because the athletic department rep looked like she was ready to kill us all.

I'd be willing to bet if that situation was handled internally, the player wouldn't have faced any repercussions. Because it was handled on the academic side, the outcome was quite a bit different.
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I don't doubt it. The institutions need the power to do what you did and not the NCAA imo
 
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He’s coming isn’t he?

3NQ8Vp
 
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Catbone said:
Dickey= 6 letters

Battle= 6 letters

Majors = 6 letters

Fulmer= 6 letters

Kiffin= 6 letters

Dooley= 6 letters

How many letters is Gruden...? Exactly.
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Completely logical. Alright, new list - only 6 letter last name coaches allowed:

Gruden
Fisher (Jimbo, not Jeff)
Fuente
Mullen
Durkin
Wilson (Frank - UTSA)
Sumlin
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Just my opinion: it may not be Gruden, but if we're swinging $7M around it'll be very hard to **** this up.
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Where'd you get that number? At any rate... People need to keep in mind it's not the HC's salary that changed the the CFB paradigm. It's that almost every assistant at BAMA is getting paid the absolute max allowed under NCAA rules. No other school comes close. The big difference isn't Saban per se it's that his assistants get paid more than many HC's.
 
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UTProf said:
Where'd you get that number? At any rate... People need to keep in mind it's not the HC's salary that changed the the CFB paradigm. It's that almost every assistant at BAMA is getting paid the absolute max allowed under NCAA rules. No other school comes close. The big difference isn't Saban per se it's that his assistants get paid more than many HC's.
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Gotta disagree with you there, professor.

How many assistants have left Saban's staff during his reign of terror? A lot.

And how many have been able to replicate his success? Zero (jury's still out, but Kirby may prove to be the first).

Now, I definitely give credence to the notion that the entire state of Alabama is part of the machine, and that's part of the reason they are able to accomplish what they do. But, by God, there is something about that man that enables Alabama to sustain the highest level of success, and I really don't think it has much at all to do with his coordinators.
 
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UTProf said:
Where'd you get that number? At any rate... People need to keep in mind it's not the HC's salary that changed the the CFB paradigm. It's that almost every assistant at BAMA is getting paid the absolute max allowed under NCAA rules. No other school comes close. The big difference isn't Saban per se it's that his assistants get paid more than many HC's.
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This. Alabama's football budget is around $50Mil. Tennessee's football budget is around $25. (Those are from memory so don't crucify me. Those numbers are close)
 
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UTProf said:
Where'd you get that number? At any rate... People need to keep in mind it's not the HC's salary that changed the the CFB paradigm. It's that almost every assistant at BAMA is getting paid the absolute max allowed under NCAA rules. No other school comes close. The big difference isn't Saban per se it's that his assistants get paid more than many HC's.
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That and having 500 assistants
 
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