Recruiting Forum Talk XXXVIII

[Aesius]

Someone sent me a PM asking if our coaching targets have changed. The answer is no, Gruden is the top target with the boosters. I have doubts he will listen, but boosters want him.

We can send PMs now?

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Someone sent me a PM asking if our coaching targets have changed. The answer is no, Gruden is the top target with the boosters. I have doubts he will listen, but boosters want him.

Do you think Kelly is a legit option? I'm wondering if his issues with the NCAA will disqualify him.

 

[thunderduck17]

My booster I talk to regularly hasn't even mentioned Gruden. Wants james franklin and has told his $ is leaving the program if Currie isn't willing to pay huge money to next coach

My booster wants to hire Rich Rod for some reason. He told me if we don't, his money is going straight from the program to St. Jude's Research...selfish punk. My booster is the worst.

 

[JCP201]

This game vs. SC could be Butch's last game in Neyland. Win or lose, things will take care of themselves. Hope people don't boo him.

 

[Kingston Vol]

We can send PMs now?

Yes. We've all been talking about you behind your back.

 

[JCP201]

Looking at Florida's schedule, they could lose many more games.

 

[drvenner]

This game vs. SC could be Butch's last game in Neyland. Win or lose, things will take care of themselves. Hope people don't boo him.

That's like hoping that everyone will be happy with whomever our next head coach will be.

 

[McGeesPub]

My booster I talk to regularly hasn't even mentioned Gruden. Wants james franklin and has told his $ is leaving the program if Currie isn't willing to pay huge money to next coach

I think Franklin would be a phenomenal hire football wise. I know not everyone would want him, and I understand that, but he'd win big.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Here's something to think about. Given some measure of hindsight, what SHOULD CBJ's regular season record at Tennessee be in your opinion? In other words, if he had reached this level of achievement given the circumstances, he would be considered a very good coach.

My version with (teams) we could have arguably beaten in the respective years if we had a really good coach - jmo.

2013 8-4 (FL, GA, VD)
2014 9-3 (GA, FL, MO)
2015 12-0 (OK, FL, AR, AL)
2016 11-1 (A&M, SC, VD)
2017 4-1 (FL)

 

[BigZiti09]

Here's something to think about. Given some measure of hindsight, what SHOULD CBJ's regular season record at Tennessee be in your opinion? In other words, if he had reached this level of achievement given the circumstances, he would be considered a very good coach.

My version with (teams) we could have arguably beaten in the respective years if we had a really good coach - jmo.

2013 8-4 (FL, GA, VD)
2014 9-3 (GA, FL, MO)
2015 12-0 (OK, FL, AR, AL)
2016 11-1 (A&M, SC, VD)
2017 4-1 (FL)

12-0 in 2015 would have been the best coaching job of all time.

 

[Catbone]

Here's something to think about. Given some measure of hindsight, what SHOULD CBJ's regular season record at Tennessee be in your opinion? In other words, if he had reached this level of achievement given the circumstances, he would be considered a very good coach.

My version with (teams) we could have arguably beaten in the respective years if we had a really good coach - jmo.

2013 8-4 (FL, GA, VD)
2014 9-3 (GA, FL, MO)
2015 12-0 (OK, FL, AR, AL)
2016 11-1 (A&M, SC, VD)
2017 4-1 (FL)

I know we had an idiot that screwed us up with Dooley, but I've looked at a lot of successful head coaches records. They almost ALWAYS have things rolling by year 3.

 

[Orange And Garnet]

12-0 in 2015 would have been the best coaching job of all time.

We had double digit leads in 3 of those 4 losses and had Bama down 5 with 4 minutes to go. 12-0 wasn’t that far away and would have happened or 11-1 with a coach that would have stepped on people’s throats

 

[volatil]

We had double digit leads in 3 of those 4 losses and had Bama down 5 with 4 minutes to go. 12-0 wasn’t that far away and would have happened or 11-1 with a coach that would have stepped on people’s throats

Also missed 3 FGs in that game

 

[Chief Vol 13]

I think Franklin would be a phenomenal hire football wise. I know not everyone would want him, and I understand that, but he'd win big.

What's Franklin currently making I wonder? I'd throw between 6 and 7 mill at him and tell him to come on. Would be a dream hire IMO. Would be a lateral move for him though. Maybe he'd want to get back in the SEC.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

I know we had an idiot that screwed us up with Dooley, but I've looked at a lot of successful head coaches records. They almost ALWAYS have things rolling by year 3.

Most have it rolling by year two with a pretty decent year one.

 

[Aesius]

A close or lucky win cancels out a close loss IMO, at least when viewing a season in retrospect.

2013: 6-6, should have beat either UGA or VU, but did beat USC
2014: 7-5, should have beat UF or UGA but did beat USC and Vandy
2015: 10-2, should have beat OU and UF, but did beat USC (they were driving to win the game)
2016: 9-3, should have beat A&M, USC, and VU, but did beat App State and UGA

 

[BigZiti09]

I know we had an idiot that screwed us up with Dooley, but I've looked at a lot of successful head coaches records. They almost ALWAYS have things rolling by year 3.

Butch did but messed up two games. Actually just two plays kept him from a big year.

 

[mrMet]

What's Franklin currently making I wonder? I'd throw between 6 and 7 mill at him and tell him to come on. Would be a dream hire IMO. Would be a lateral move for him though. Maybe he'd want to get back in the SEC.

Pretty sure he’s making 5.5 or 6. I’m probably wrong though

I’d take him over most coaches that have been named. Dude is a hoss

 

[ChattaTNVol]

A close or lucky win cancels out a close loss IMO, at least when viewing a season in retrospect.

2013: 6-6, should have beat either UGA or VU, but did beat USC
2014: 7-5, should have beat UF or UGA but did beat USC and Vandy
2015: 10-2, should have beat OU and UF, but did beat USC (they were driving to win the game)
2016: 9-3, should have beat A&M, USC, and VU, but did beat App State and UGA

Cool. Thanks for playing.

I was just wondering why we want to fire him. I couldn't see firing him for losing 1 or 2 games. I'm saying I'm firing him for losing 14 games. You're at 5 games so I can understand that. While on the surface it might seem that you are less demanding than me in fact you seem to tolerate far fewer losses that I would.

 

[VolNRaleighNC]

99% of VN if we hire anyone except Gruden, Kelly or Frost.

Um... Take off Frost and that’s where I’m at.

 

[Aesius]

Cool. Thanks for playing.

I was just wondering why we want to fire him. I couldn't see firing him for losing 1 or 2 games. I'm saying I'm firing him for losing 14 games. You're at 5 games so I can understand that. While on the surface it might seem that you are less demanding than me in fact you seem to tolerate far fewer losses that I would.

Butch is a one step forward, two steps back guy. He seems to win one he shouldn't every year and lose two he shouldn't.

Erase a single bad loss from every season he's been here and he's sitting pretty right now, IMO.

2013: VU
2014: UF
2015: OU or UF
2016: USC or Vandy
2017: UF

A coach who meets expectations would have those wins under his belt.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Butch is a one step forward, two steps back guy. He seems to win one he shouldn't every year and lose two he shouldn't.

Erase a single bad loss from every season he's been here and he's sitting pretty right now, IMO.

2013: VU
2014: UF
2015: OU or UF
2016: USC or Vandy
2017: UF

A coach who meets expectations would have those wins under his belt.

I think you're probably right about the bolded part. I'd probably still be pissed but I'm just one guy. He'd still have the majority of the fanbase and that would be all he needs to "stay the course" in my opinion as well. :hi:

 

[jordan4vols]

Butch is a one step forward, two steps back guy. He seems to win one he shouldn't every year and lose two he shouldn't.

Erase a single bad loss from every season he's been here and he's sitting pretty right now, IMO.

2013: VU
2014: UF
2015: OU or UF
2016: USC or Vandy
2017: UF

A coach who meets expectations would have those wins under his belt.

If you think about it. This team was very very close to being 6-6 last year. UGA and App state could have certainly been losses. App state lucky bounce. UGA lucky Hail Mary. If you throw in Florida we could have ended up with a change this past year.

 

[chavisut]

12-0 in 2015 would have been the best coaching job of all time.

Not for the BSA.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

Butch is a one step forward, two steps back guy. He seems to win one he shouldn't every year and lose two he shouldn't.

Erase a single bad loss from every season he's been here and he's sitting pretty right now, IMO.

2013: VU
2014: UF
2015: OU or UF
2016: USC or Vandy
2017: UF

A coach who meets expectations would have those wins under his belt.

Agree with this 100%. I've had a similar thought -- if he could've gotten these wins, one more a year, I'd *still* be on board.

I might still be on board if we'd beaten Vanderbilt and gone to the Sugar Bowl last year, honestly.