'25 Recruiting Forum: Official UAB vs Tennessee Pregame/Game Thread

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OGbabyaviVol said:
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Gonna be brief this morning with this thread. We all saw it, we all felt it, and we all continue to feel it. We gave away a game that we should have won against a powerhouse yesterday to end the streak. It hurts everyone associated with the program, especially the players and coaches. We need to flush it and move on, and not let the result from yesterday dictate our season, but let it propel us to be better.

Keys to the game this week:

1. DEFENSE NEEDS TO GET RIGHT AND GET HEALTHY. Not sure what else to say. We are terrible defensively right now. Not sure if it is due to the health of some major players, the coach that’s coordinating the defense, youth, or a combination of all. My guess is that it is a combination of all three. It’s frustrating, but I just don’t think we are built upfront to hold the line of scrimmage against an offensive line like Georgia. That showed yesterday. Yes, there were tons of holding calls that were not called, but we fail to get penetration and disrupt the line of scrimmage against them enough to shut their run game down. We desperately need to get healthy, get Moi, Hobbs, and hopefully McCoy back. Let’s just hope McCoy is coming back to help his team and not being selfish to prepare for the draft.

2. Offense just needs to keep doing what they are doing. I never dreamed we would have scored 38 points in regulation against Georgia and lose the game. If you would’ve told me before the game that we would score that much, I would’ve told you we won by at least 10 points. There’s some corrections we can make to make this offense even better. I think we will see that as this season progresses, this offense has the ability to probably go down as the best offense Heupel has had. We are just more complete and the offensive line played a fantastic game yesterday. Flush yesterday and let’s keep this juggernaut rolling, as I think we may have to outscore a few more teams on the schedule to win.

Prediction:
I honestly haven’t looked to see exactly what UAB has. The only thing I know that they have is Trent Dilfer as their head coach. Let’s be honest, this game should not be even close and should be over at the end of the first half at least, if not the first quarter. It’s all gonna depend on how much of a hangover we have From yesterday. I think we have a leader in our quarterback that’s not gonna let yesterday hangover to next week. With that said, I think we start off a little more sluggish than we would hope, but eventually get things going. Hoping to see some of these injured players get back and get the rust off with 15 to 20 snaps this game and get ready to play on the road against Mississippi State. We are going to need them there.

TN 55
UAB 17
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We had the #6 defense last year...Banks is considered by most everyone who is not a Vol to be a great DC. I will go to my grave believing we win that game by 21+ points are full strength even with the SECorrupt officials doing their perennial "Screw Tennessee completely over" thing. You can't hide the holes we have right now, they are too big and too numerous.

We blow these guys off the field..
US....50+
Them...17ish.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
We had the #6 defense last year...Banks is considered by most everyone who is not a Vol to be a great DC. I will go to my grave believing we win that game by 21+ points are full strength even with the SECorrupt officials doing their perennial "Screw Tennessee completely over" thing. You can't hide the holes we have right now, they are too big and too numerous.

We blow these guys off the field..
US....50+
Them...17ish.
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And that’s why I said I’m not sure if it is just a combo of things or what. Banks needs the dudes at all positions to be successful. He definitely can’t do more with less, whereas Heupel has proved he can with his offense as long as he has the right QB running it. I agree that we just had too many injuries to overcome. We thought the schedule set up great to get Georgia early and in reality now we probably wish we had them later. I also think that we win by at least 10 or more if we were healthy. I think we may have jumped out to three scores or more of a lead in the first half and they could never catch up. I am just gonna hope we can get healthy and either run the table or only lose one more. And I really hope we can meet Georgia one more time this season, whether it’s in the SEC championship game or the playoffs. I want redemption at them being healthy
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
And that’s why I said I’m not sure if it is just a combo of things or what. Banks needs the dudes at all positions to be successful. He definitely can’t do more with less, whereas Heupel has proved he can with his offense as long as he has the right QB running it. I agree that we just had too many injuries to overcome. We thought the schedule set up great to get Georgia early and in reality now we probably wish we had them later. I also think that we win by at least 10 or more if we were healthy. I think we may have jumped out to three scores or more of a lead in the first half and they could never catch up. I am just gonna hope we can get healthy and either run the table or only lose one more. And I really hope we can meet Georgia one more time this season, whether it’s in the SEC championship game or the playoffs. I want redemption at them being healthy
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Bingo. I agree.

Which means Banks cannot scheme and call defenses well, which is what Heup does very well. That makes Banks average at best. Heup just put a big 41 on the vaunted UGA D of Kirby's with a transfer QB and portal'd, patchwork O-line. We all know the Vols won the game on the field, sans kicker performance.

Is that what UT wants - average, peer, OK, top 25, etc.for its team performance? As long as the money rolls in, are they good with that? That is a Danny White/Heup discussion to be had.

I was willing to give Banks plenty of time to develop as an elite SEC level DC. The evidence is in as far as I am concerned. He is putting too much pressure on Heup and the O to win like they did against Bama in 2022 to have shot at the playoffs and a NC. I could break it all down schematically and with calls, but I do not want to hijack this game thread.
 
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Vols4us said:
Bingo. I agree.

Which means Banks cannot scheme and call defenses well, which is what Heup does very well. That makes Banks average at best. Heup just put a big 41 on the vaunted UGA D of Kirby's with a transfer QB and portal'd, patchwork O-line. We all know the Vols won the game on the field, sans kicker performance.

Is that what UT wants - average, peer, OK, top 25, etc.for its team performance? As long as the money rolls in, are they good with that? That is a Danny White/Heup discussion to be had.

I was willing to give Banks plenty of time to develop as an elite SEC level DC. The evidence is in as far as I am concerned. He is putting too much pressure on Heup and the O to win like they did against Bama in 2022 to have shot at the playoffs and a NC. I could break it all down schematically and with calls, but I do not want to hijack this game thread.
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Great post. Agree! I have been patient with him as well. I thought we were turning the corner last year but realize more more that he is just average. It sucks. I am afraid this is another year that we have the offense, just like 22, to contend and possibly get to the national championship game. However, I don’t think we’ve got the defense to do that. It sucks that we can never get things lined up to make the run. Season is early so all we can hope is that things change.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Great post. Agree! I have been patient with him as well. I thought we were turning the corner last year but realize more more that he is just average. It sucks. I am afraid this is another year that we have the offense, just like 22, to contend and possibly get to the national championship game. However, I don’t think we’ve got the defense to do that. It sucks that we can never get things lined up to make the run. Season is early so all we can hope is that things change.
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Do you think UGA can make a NC run? Prob not with a defense that gave up 3 less points than Banks I guess?

How did OSU make a NC run last season? Last game of the regular season they scored 10 points and managed a total of 252 yards against a rival (that finished 7-5) that they haven’t beaten multiple years in a row now.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Great post. Agree! I have been patient with him as well. I thought we were turning the corner last year but realize more more that he is just average. It sucks. I am afraid this is another year that we have the offense, just like 22, to contend and possibly get to the national championship game. However, I don’t think we’ve got the defense to do that. It sucks that we can never get things lined up to make the run. Season is early so all we can hope is that things change.
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I think he is ABOVE average. Banks is a very hard worker, from what the paper says. I think he has learned on the job, and is a good, and above average X's and O's guy.

Gotta remember, the cupboard was bare.

I think he allows his guys to run their rooms.

At this point, I think talent should be deeper at DL and DB.

Anyone with a half way decent OC seems to easily out scheme Tim. I'm not sure what happened, but down after down we tried to get past LoS. Time after time Georgia pulled off chunk plays, and we got little pressure.

It was bad. However, in his defense. Georgia isnt the usual suspect.

I will add after my optimistic post. To be where we want to be we cant build a team on futures. There is no excuse to be this ill prepared. If it doesnt get better, and we **** bed against a lesser team. Not gonna have the feel goods.
 
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MarcoVol said:
Do you think UGA can make a NC run? Prob not with a defense that gave up 3 less points than Banks I guess?

How did OSU make a NC run last season? Last game of the regular season they scored 10 points and managed a total of 252 yards against a rival (that finished 7-5) that they haven’t beaten multiple years in a row now.
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I understand where you are going with that. We lost so we have smaller margin for error. Georgia can lose 2 games and guarantee they are in due to recency bias. We probably might get in with 2 but not guaranteed. 3 losses and no way.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
I understand where you are going with that. We lost so we have smaller margin for error. Georgia can lose 2 games and guarantee they are in due to recency bias. We probably might get in with 2 but not guaranteed. 3 losses and no way.
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Not a soul had Vols winning that game coming into the season. So nothing has changed about Vols chances to make the playoffs and make a run.

Smaller margin for error is when sports get really fun.

But mostly my post was about defense. If Vols don’t have the defense to compete then neither does UGA, right?
 
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MarcoVol said:
Not a soul had Vols winning that game coming into the season. So nothing has changed about Vols chances to make the playoffs and make a run.

Smaller margin for error is when sports get really fun.

But mostly my post was about defense. If Vols don’t have the defense to compete then neither does UGA, right?
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Gotcha. I like Kirby Smart fixing my defense and trust he gets it fixed way more than Banks.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Gotcha. I like Kirby Smart fixing my defense and trust he gets it fixed way more than Banks.
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Kirby's ability to "fix it" compared to Banks ability to "fix it" have any impact based on the talent level of the players they are putting on the field? I am not going to ague semantics about how good or bad both of them are at implementing a gameplan/scheme. Kirby is obviously a great defensive mind (Banks is as well). But his perceived ability as a DC is based on evidence being used when he has ridiculously superior athletes on defense. True or not? Have we seen Kirby "do more with less" at some point in his career as a defensive coordinator or head coach?
 
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therickbol said:
Kirby's ability to "fix it" compared to Banks ability to "fix it" have any impact based on the talent level of the players they are putting on the field? I am not going to ague semantics about how good or bad both of them are at implementing a gameplan/scheme. Kirby is obviously a great defensive mind (Banks is as well). But his perceived ability as a DC is based on evidence being used when he has ridiculously superior athletes on defense. True or not? Have we seen Kirby "do more with less" at some point in his career as a defensive coordinator or head coach?
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True. Very fair points.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
I think he is ABOVE average. Banks is a very hard worker, from what the paper says. I think he has learned on the job, and is a good, and above average X's and O's guy.

Gotta remember, the cupboard was bare.

I think he allows his guys to run their rooms.

At this point, I think talent should be deeper at DL and DB.

Anyone with a half way decent OC seems to easily out scheme Tim. I'm not sure what happened, but down after down we tried to get past LoS. Time after time Georgia pulled off chunk plays, and we got little pressure.

It was bad. However, in his defense. Georgia isnt the usual suspect.

I will add after my optimistic post. To be where we want to be we cant build a team on futures. There is no excuse to be this ill prepared. If it doesnt get better, and we **** bed against a lesser team. Not gonna have the feel goods.
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I think he is average at best and had two good years with elite DL play. And got a first round corner in the portal. He seems to be good with elite talent and not when talent is mid tier.

I’ve watched a few people talk about our game and how most defend UGA in Cover 3 and zone blitzes. We ran a ton of Cover 1 and 2. And he has done it for years. Why hasn't he watched other teams? Does he think he knows more? It really has me questioning.

Oh well on to UAB and hoping we don’t lose more than one more game. This team is a playoff team with better defensive play. I believe this offense will be the best under Heupel.
 
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SmyrnaATLVolisback said:
I think he is average at best and had two good years with elite DL play. And got a first round corner in the portal. He seems to be good with elite talent and not when talent is mid tier.

I’ve watched a few people talk about our game and how most defend UGA in Cover 3 and zone blitzes. We ran a ton of Cover 1 and 2. And he has done it for years. Why hasn't he watched other teams? Does he think he knows more? It really has me questioning.

Oh well on to UAB and hoping we don’t lose more than one more game. This team is a playoff team with better defensive play. I believe this offense will be the best under Heupel.
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I like this convo bc I don’t really share your viewpoint. So this is not an argument. Simply want to know more.

How many of those other teams beat UGA? Why not try to do something different that could potentially help you win as opposed to watching what other DCs did and lost?

And can you tell me which DCs you really believe in that have success without top end talent while playing against top end talent?
 
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MarcoVol said:
I like this convo bc I don’t really share your viewpoint. So this is not an argument. Simply want to know more.

How many of those other teams beat UGA? Why not try to do something different that could potentially help you win as opposed to watching what other DCs did and lost?

And can you tell me which DCs you really believe in that have success without top end talent while playing against top end talent?
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I think many teams in the SEC could beat UGA if their offense scored 38 on them. Our offense is almost unstoppable right now and we do what we want. We pretty much stop ourselves. I pray Heupel learns this year to hell with rankings and certain heights, etc… Go get a gun slinger that reads defenses well and let’s his receivers make plays.

Marcus freeman shut UGA down as did Ole Miss last year. They mostly ran four man fronts and made them drive the field. Played coverage. I’d love to see how Venebles would play them if they played too. I truly believe if we had played base the first couple of series and made Stockton go through reads and drive the field, he wouldn’t have been nearly as effective. We blitzed like crazy and he made some good throws but it gave him confidence and made him believe he could win it.
 
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SmyrnaATLVolisback said:
I think many teams in the SEC could beat UGA if their offense scored 38 on them. Our offense is almost unstoppable right now and we do what we want. We pretty much stop ourselves. I pray Heupel learns this year to hell with rankings and certain heights, etc… Go get a gun slinger that reads defenses well and let’s his receivers make plays.

Marcus freeman shut UGA down as did Ole Miss last year. They mostly ran four man fronts and made them drive the field. Played coverage. I’d love to see how Venebles would play them if they played too. I truly believe if we had played base the first couple of series and made Stockton go through reads and drive the field, he wouldn’t have been nearly as effective. We blitzed like crazy and he made some good throws but it gave him confidence and made him believe he could win it.
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Coming into the game it was almost a universal belief that we needed to blitz Stockton as much as possible and not sit back and play coverage.

Also those are single games you’ve named. ND also gave up 35 to USC last year. Have already given up 41 to A&M this year. So while it may have worked vs UGA for one game last season (and maybe you’re talking to the exact point of doing that instead of naming other DCs / staffs that are really good without top end talent), their strategy/talent/game planning hasn’t exactly bled over.

Also ND shut down a UGA team that didn’t have the WR talent they have now.
 
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