Recruiting forum off topic thread (no politics, covid, or hot button issues)

[Adam2014]

Is he? It’s not like we don’t know that recruit’s parents do read Volnation.

I just don’t see the need to get in a recruit’s thread and talk about how his position coach sucks..

Sure they do, but I think he is overstating its influence on recruits.

 

[cncchris33]

Not sure how we got from the "fan base tearing down coaches is bad" to "players influenced by that are mentally fragile".

If you are a recruit deciding where to play and you have the chance to be coached by a guy everyone says is great vs one everyone says sucks, which are you going to choose? Has nothing to do with being fragile.

Sure it does because you are allowing others to influence your decision. All that matters is that the recruit likes/believes in the coach. The rest is just noise.

I happen to like black jellybeans. I don’t let public opinion tell me they aren't good when my taste buds tell me otherwise. If I just chose not to eat them because other people told me they weren't good, then I'm the only one who really suffers. That's the very definition of mentally weak.

 

[SSVol]

Sure it does because you are allowing others to influence your decision. All that matters is that the recruit likes/believes in the coach. The rest is just noise.

I happen to like black jellybeans. I don’t let public opinion tell me they aren't good when my taste buds tell me otherwise. If I just chose not to eat them because other people told me they weren't good, then I'm the only one who really suffers. That's the very definition of mentally weak.

So it's mentally weak to process all available information on a subject and factor that into the decision? Odd take.

 

[Jackcrevol]

So it's mentally weak to process all available information on a subject and factor that into the decision? Odd take.

yeeeeaaah, about that

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Do you really believe what we say on this forum impacts the team in any way? Do you think praising them makes them play better, coach better, and recruit better?

I don't think it does, therefore I don't think saying a coach needs to evaluate high school players better damages the team. It is okay if we don't agree, but that is my point of view.

Well if your point of view pisses off other fans, why do you not think it could piss off players, prospects and their support folks. Or even plant a seed of doubt.

Outside of REAL questions, what is the purpose of declarative statements? You just typing to hear yourself type? Not trying to influence somebody? You think you get to select who is influenced? Not buying it. That is my opinion and doubt I am alone.

 

[Adam2014]

Well if your point of view pisses off other fans, why do you not think it could piss off players, prospects and their support folks. Or even plant a seed of doubt.

Outside of REAL questions, what is the purpose of declarative statements? You just typing to hear yourself type? Not trying to influence somebody? You think you get to select who is influenced? Not buying it. That is my opinion and doubt I am alone.

I suppose a player could read one of my comments and get pissed off. So what? That's life. I shouldn't post something because it might make someone mad? You are going to read things that piss you off or that you disagree with. You just move on.

 

[Go Fight Win]

I think some are just tired of seeing the glen discussion brought up ad nauseum here with no new qualifying elements in the discussion. What's new about glen that everyone hates? His incredible OL class he's building, yet again? idgaf who's actually recruiting the OL, it's his unit. Recruits know who their coach is. "no starters in 4 years" well, yeah. it's offensive line, they typically require the lengthiest development before they play and the OL the previous staff left him was actually one of our strongest units...coupled with strong portal pickups (is that not his recruiting?)... it's not that confusing!

also guys we had Cooper Mays, Remington finalist, generational talent, anchoring center from 2020-2024. that is a position that REQUIRES reps. let's give Satterwhite (who by all means is getting positive reviews) a chance to get REPS before we say we are lost at center. of course there is going to be a readjustment period after Cooper, he was one of the best we've had in decades...

I think ultimately he's an above average to good coach who is very loyal and has a specific line of communication with our head coach who requires a very specific line of communication to run his offense hence why he has kept him so long. Come season, if we are giving up sacks, let's dredge this old chat up again... but until then, hardly seems relevant? Isn't this Shabazz guy one of the top ranked OT according to the recruiting industry? We are beating out ohio state and south carolina (auburn, florida, LSU, and uga to boot)? Sounds like a win for ole Glenn

 

[therickbol]

The Joe Moore Award is awarded annually to the best college football offensive line unit. Tennessee joins Oregon as the only programs to earn semifinalist honors three consecutive seasons (2022-24).

Seems to line up well with the expert fan analysis that our OL coach is terrible.

 

[cncchris33]

So it's mentally weak to process all available information on a subject and factor that into the decision? Odd take.

It's mentally weak to allow the opinions of a fanatical group of anonymous internet randos to overtake your own convictions, yes. You'll never stand on your own and be able to make tough choices if you allow others who aren't terribly close or informed to make them for you.

You're grossly overemphasizing the importance of the opinion of fans on a message board. If these things were being said by other coaches, on SEC Now, College Gameday, and in team scouting reports by reputable media members, then yeah...you take those things into account and allow them to help you make an informed decision. I doubt that Shabazz, or any other recruit has approached Elarbee and said, "Hey coach, I like everything about you and Tennessee, but @Adam2014 on VolNation said you aren't very good at your job."

 

[Adam2014]

Seems to line up well with the expert fan analysis that our OL coach is terrible.

No one in here said he was terrible, and it would be laughable for anyone to say that. The data does not back it up.

 

[INDEFENSE]

Wait, what I thought it was taco Tuesday?

 

[SSVol]

It's mentally weak to allow the opinions of a fanatical group of anonymous internet randos to overtake your own convictions, yes. You'll never stand on your own and be able to make tough choices if you allow others who aren't terribly close or informed to make them for you.

You're grossly overemphasizing the importance of the opinion of fans on a message board. If these things were being said by other coaches, on SEC Now, College Gameday, and in team scouting reports by reputable media members, then yeah...you take those things into account and allow them to help you make an informed decision. I doubt that Shabazz, or any other recruit has approached Elarbee and said, "Hey coach, I like everything about you and Tennessee, but @Adam2014 on VolNation said you aren't very good at your job."

I'm sure you're right. Our words don't influence outcomes.

Sad though. If we had more power, maybe we could push Coach Shiano over the hump.

 

[cncchris33]

I'm sure you're right. Our words don't influence outcomes.

Sad though. If we had more power, maybe we could push Coach Shiano over the hump.

And that same source of words has had no sway over Elarbee's fate. Nice strawman, though.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

It's mentally weak to allow the opinions of a fanatical group of anonymous internet randos to overtake your own convictions, yes. You'll never stand on your own and be able to make tough choices if you allow others who aren't terribly close or informed to make them for you.

You're grossly overemphasizing the importance of the opinion of fans on a message board. If these things were being said by other coaches, on SEC Now, College Gameday, and in team scouting reports by reputable media members, then yeah...you take those things into account and allow them to help you make an informed decision. I doubt that Shabazz, or any other recruit has approached Elarbee and said, "Hey coach, I like everything about you and Tennessee, but @Adam2014 on VolNation said you aren't very good at your job."

Each forum is just an element of the fanbase viewed by anybody that has access. But each joins other available inputs for review by all.

You don’t think “eating their own” or “they are having a meltdown” is not absorbed by players and prospects and their support groups involved in recruitment and NOW portal decisions? Never know where a tie breaker might come from.

You don’t think the post Kiffin TRAILER TRASH tag did not influence all kinds of folks?

It is all out there. Denial is like a player saying my fumble did not hurt. Not their call.

 

[buckfama]

And that same source of words has had no sway over Elarbee's fate. Nice strawman, though.

Social media kept UT from hiring Schiano.

If enough rhetoric or noise is created, true or not, it can absolutely influence decisions.

 

[Adam2014]

Social media kept UT from hiring Schiano.

If enough rhetoric or noise is created, true or not, it can absolutely influence decisions.

There is a significant difference between people voicing concern about a coach's ability on an internet site and a mob storming campus to stop the hiring of a coach.

 

[cncchris33]

Social media kept UT from hiring Schiano.

If enough rhetoric or noise is created, true or not, it can absolutely influence decisions.

That example is so far removed and extrapolated relative to the original discussion, though. It isn't apples to apples and is really only meant to distract from the original position.

I stand by my belief. Any kid allowing the opinion of a handful of fans on a message board to influence his school decision isn't the kind of kid I want. Make an informed decision, sure, but you have to make your own decision.
What is being said on this board, and others, is already being said by other schools and coaches looking to win this kid over to their side. Those are the informed opinions that should matter to a recruit.

And in the end, if they trust in and believe in Elarbee after that, then none of our (fans) opinions should matter. You can find a negative public opinion on any program in D1 football if you go looking for it. This isn't unique to Tennessee. There is a loud vocal portion in every single fanbase that isn't happy about something.

 

[SSVol]

That example is so far removed and extrapolated relative to the original discussion, though. It isn't apples to apples and is really only meant to distract from the original position.

I stand by my belief. Any kid allowing the opinion of a handful of fans on a message board to influence his school decision isn't the kind of kid I want. Make an informed decision, sure, but you have to make your own decision.
What is being said on this board, and others, is already being said by other schools and coaches looking to win this kid over to their side. Those are the informed opinions that should matter to a recruit.

And in the end, if they trust in and believe in Elarbee after that, then none of our (fans) opinions should matter. You can find a negative public opinion on any program in D1 football if you go looking for it. This isn't unique to Tennessee. There is a loud vocal portion in every single fanbase that isn't happy about something.

I actually agree with most of what you said. The only real question is at what level does it become destructive. You can't really know, so when in doubt, don't.

The other caveat is that while every program has loud malcontents, no other program has quite the reputation Tennessee does. Some of us just tend toward being a counterbalance to that.

 

[buckfama]

That example is so far removed and extrapolated relative to the original discussion, though. It isn't apples to apples and is really only meant to distract from the original position.

I stand by my belief. Any kid allowing the opinion of a handful of fans on a message board to influence his school decision isn't the kind of kid I want. Make an informed decision, sure, but you have to make your own decision.
What is being said on this board, and others, is already being said by other schools and coaches looking to win this kid over to their side. Those are the informed opinions that should matter to a recruit.

And in the end, if they trust in and believe in Elarbee after that, then none of our (fans) opinions should matter. You can find a negative public opinion on any program in D1 football if you go looking for it. This isn't unique to Tennessee. There is a loud vocal portion in every single fanbase that isn't happy about something.

Your basic argument as I understood it, is that social.media basically shouldn't have any bearing on decision making.

The Schiano debacle shows thst isn't always true. I'm not taking sides in this argument as I feel it's a useless debate.

But to say it can't or won't have any effect is not true.

 

[buckfama]

There is a significant difference between people voicing concern about a coach's ability on an internet site and a mob storming campus to stop the hiring of a coach.

Where did it all start?
Social media.

 

[Vol423]

Your basic argument as I understood it, is that social.media basically shouldn't have any bearing on decision making.

The Schiano debacle shows thst isn't always true. I'm not taking sides in this argument as I feel it's a useless debate.

But to say it can't or won't have any effect is not true.

We had a trainwreck in UT's administration at the time of the Schiano fiasco. That is definitely NOT the case anymore.

 

[Go Fight Win]

I genuinely think we should have a stickied “coaching discussion” thread where folks can sidebar these conversations

I know for a fact recruits and parents look at these websites (literally google any recruits name + vol and volnation is within the first couple pages on google) and having negative comments in the player thread about the coach they will be spending 4 years with isn’t… useful

Does it directly cause real harm to a recruits decision making? No. Of course not.

Could it be one of very many factors against coming here? Could be. Why I think a separate thread for coaching discussions would be better than what inevitably happens in every OL or DB recruit thread

 

[bluegrasser]

I genuinely think we should have a stickied “coaching discussion” thread where folks can sidebar these conversations

I know for a fact recruits and parents look at these websites (literally google any recruits name + vol and volnation is within the first couple pages on google) and having negative comments in the player thread about the coach they will be spending 4 years with isn’t… useful

Does it directly cause real harm to a recruits decision making? No. Of course not.

Could it be one of very many factors against coming here? Could be. Why I think a separate thread for coaching discussions would be better than what inevitably happens in every OL or DB recruit thread

Not to mention, it’s a pain in the butt to come to (name any recruit thread) and see multiple multiple pages of people bickering back and forth over the same stale arguments.

I love the dog fart, trash talking, cooking, weird topics that come up in the Recruiting Talk thread.

But theres a growing incessant sniping taking over every recruit thread. It’s just annoying

 

[Jackcrevol]

I genuinely think we should have a stickied “coaching discussion” thread where folks can sidebar these conversations

I know for a fact recruits and parents look at these websites (literally google any recruits name + vol and volnation is within the first couple pages on google) and having negative comments in the player thread about the coach they will be spending 4 years with isn’t… useful

Does it directly cause real harm to a recruits decision making? No. Of course not.

Could it be one of very many factors against coming here? Could be. Why I think a separate thread for coaching discussions would be better than what inevitably happens in every OL or DB recruit thread

If they actually give a rip, which they dont.

The best way for our coaches to insulate themselves or protect themselves from negativity is to go out and prove it wrong. Change the narrative. We've been right on the cusp for three cycles. Yesterday was a big win, same for FB & Davis Anders, Legend Bey too.

 

[Go Fight Win]

If they actually give a rip, which they dont.

The best way for our coaches to insulate themselves or protect themselves from negativity is to go out and prove it wrong. Change the narrative. We've been right on the cusp for three cycles. Yesterday was a big win, same for FB & Davis Anders, Legend Bey too.

You’ve become one of the worst posters on this website. Congrats !