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UT = Checkmate said:
I think what Darth is saying is that the diversity department is just posting information and what they are posting has no bearing on UT policy. If anything, the diversity department has started a national conversation. It is a pretty hilarious one, but it is not the policy of the admin office.

As for suppression, why would the admin want to? UT is an institution of higher learning and the hope would be that from time to time ppl challenge the status quo.
Doesn't mean the challenge sticks or that anyone agrees with it.
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There would seem to me to be a huge difference between an independent student or group of students presenting any idea/theory separately from the university and one doing so under the name of the university.

If done so in the name of the university the University should have to right to censure IMO
 
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BruinVol said:
There would seem to me to be a huge difference between an independent student or group of students presenting any idea/theory separately from the university and one doing so under the name of the university.

If done so in the name of the university the University should have to right to censure IMO
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I've agreed with you on two separate topics now. I need a break from VN...
 
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BruinVol said:
There would seem to me to be a huge difference between an independent student or group of students presenting any idea/theory separately from the university and one doing so under the name of the university.

If done so in the name of the university the University should have to right to censure IMO
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I understand your point. But what has this office done to hurt UT's credibility? Have students stopped applying? Just b/c FN is reporting on it makes it a bad thing? My wife and I got a nice laugh out it and think their idea is pretty crazy. But I don't this office dictates all campus policy. If that is true then they are just putting out a white paper to drive discussion. As an alum, I am not outraged by this.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
They can't censor the department of diversity any more than they can censor the department of biology or chemistry. It's not like they run every tweet they make by the top administrators.

It's only an embarrassment to people who can't understand that a department in the school dedicated to diversity would want to promote inclusiveness. Their stupid post has nothing to do with school policy and is just fodder for people who want an excuse to be offended or outraged. Just like the type of person who would be offended by being called the wrong pronoun accidentally, but the opposite. Both sides are just looking for non-issues to be outraged about.
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Ok - so now zoo are saying this is the department of diversity - so it is a department within the university - and it has a director - and zee is getting paid by UT - and zee ultimately has to report to the President of said University. It was my understanding that zee recommended that to avoid any problems all professors should follow zer guidelines. In all honesty zee looked a little gender neutral but I don't think zee should be allowed to send something like this out without getting it blessed and approved by zer superiors. UT should more than distance itself from this - they should diverse themselves from it - it is as so many news agencies have discovered - insanely stupid.
 
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UT = Checkmate said:
I understand your point. But what has this office done to hurt UT's credibility? Have students stopped applying? Just b/c FN is reporting on it makes it a bad thing? My wife and I got a nice laugh out it and think their idea is pretty crazy. But I don't this office dictates all campus policy. If that is true then they are just putting out a white paper to drive discussion. As an alum, I am not outraged by this.
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I am not outraged but I have taken the time to dig a little deeper and discover it isn't coming from the top.

It's a bad PR hit for those that don't go further like I did
 
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Censure and censor are two completely different words, and they would appreciate it if you would not lump them together with interchangeable generic usage.
 
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BruinVol said:
Funny thing is I had to look up the words and still not sure which one I meant to be using!

Lol
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They can both apply. UT can voice their disapproval (censure) or remove the issue beforehand (censor) someones Jimmie's got rustled about it. It's not a difference of there, they're and their.
 
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BruinVol said:
Of course I see the difference but where is the line drawn.

Shouldn't it be drawn with where the university stance is on all issues??
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Anybody with half a lick of sense can understand that this issues is nowhere near "the line" for censoring a department. Can you imagine the crazy backlash UT would have gotten if they'd stopped the diversity department from making their silly, meaningless tweet?

"University Censors Pro-LGBT Twitter Post." That's a hell of a lot worse than "Campus Diversity Department asks Students to Use Made Up Words."

If you're really that upset about this issue, then your skin is much, much thinner than they type of trans people who would get upset about accidentally using a pronoun they don't prefer.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Ok - so now zoo are saying this is the department of diversity - so it is a department within the university - and it has a director - and zee is getting paid by UT - and zee ultimately has to report to the President of said University. It was my understanding that zee recommended that to avoid any problems all professors should follow zer guidelines. In all honesty zee looked a little gender neutral but I don't think zee should be allowed to send something like this out without getting it blessed and approved by zer superiors. UT should more than distance itself from this - they should diverse themselves from it - it is as so many news agencies have discovered - insanely stupid.
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I didn't word my initial post well. It isn't a student group.

But that doesn't mean that every message they send out is a part of university policy. Most of the faux-outrage is people thinking the university is pressuring people to use these pronouns. But it isn't. Just like the university's policy isn't that everybody must accept evolution just because the anthropology department has an evolution exhibit in mcclung museum.

A department of the university can endorse and promote an idea without it being part of the university's official stance or policy. It shouldn't be that hard to understand. People just want to an excuse to feel persecuted. It's really ironic.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
"University Censors Pro-LGBT Twitter Post." That's a hell of a lot worse than "Campus Diversity Department asks Students to Use Made Up Words."

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I completely disagree and as I have already said I am not outaged about this.


Last thing from me on this:

If it doesn't fit with university policy then a campus department shouldn't be allowed to promote a stance regarding student actions under the universities name.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
They can't censor the department of diversity any more than they can censor the department of biology or chemistry. It's not like they run every tweet they make by the top administrators.

It's only an embarrassment to people who can't understand that a department in the school dedicated to diversity would want to promote inclusiveness. Their stupid post has nothing to do with school policy and is just fodder for people who want an excuse to be offended or outraged. Just like the type of person who would be offended by being called the wrong pronoun accidentally, but the opposite. Both sides are just looking for non-issues to be outraged about.
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Actually this isn't true. As a grad student under one of these departments, the university does have the right to remove me from the program should my behavior or words be inappropriate. No, they cannot censor what I say or do, but based on the contract through which I am bound by attending the university, I can be removed for inappropriateness.
 
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BruinVol said:
Last thing from me on this:

If it doesn't fit with university policy then a campus department shouldn't be allowed to promote.
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Counterpoint: a university the size of Tennessee's shouldn't have to adopt every idea promoted by all of its departments as policy. That would be absurd.
 
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jlindsa4 said:
Actually this isn't true. As a grad student under one of these departments, the university does have the right to remove me from the program should my behavior or words be inappropriate. No, they cannot censor what I say or do, but based on the contract through which I am bound by attending the university, I can be removed for inappropriateness.
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This is true, but asking someone to call you "zi" does not fall anywhere near the type of behavior that can or should nullify your contract. I was assuming that as a given.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Everybody here needs to realize that the gender neutral pronouns chart was put out by the diversity department of student affairs and not the school's administration. UTK's Twitter has been distancing themselves from it since it was posted.


The school is not asking people to use gender neuter pronouns. An organization within the university (that the administration cannot and should not censor) is suggesting/asking it. There's a big difference. None of the school's administrators have any part of it.

Of course, Clay Travis and the mouth breathers on Twitter won't acknowledge that though.

Edit: of course Fox News wouldn't actually take the time to look into this either. Frightening/pissing off hillbillies is too good for business.
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This is the sort of reaction that will allow it one day to be the norm like so many other things we are seeing.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Well, technically he could, but it would probably put his job in jeopardy. There's no reason to stop a school organization from posting something like this. They're just trying to be inclusive. No one is hurt by them putting it out there. The school would be hurt a lot if they tried to suppress it. Surely you can understand that?

That silly chart had absolutely no bearing on any actual school operations. It's just a university group publishing it. There are university groups representing all types of different groups on campus. Administrators shouldn't stop their speech any more than they should stop the speech/posting of Christian/Jewish/Muslim/atheist/republican/democrat, etc posts.

Institutions of higher learning are supposed to be areas that allow free speech. The gender neuter pronoun thing is no more offensive than the people who protest on campus with huge pictures of aborted fetuses and call all of the students on pedestrian walkway fornicators who will burn in hell. The university has to allow for freedom of speech. What's not to get? Would you rather Jimmy Cheek stop the free speech of any organization he didn't agree with?
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It is a dept within the U.
 
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That chart was about the stupidest thing I'd ever seen until I saw all the outrage about it.

It's stupid, it's not offensive.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
That chart was about the stupidest thing I'd ever seen until I saw all the outrage about it.

It's stupid, it's not offensive.
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Disagree.

It's offensively stupid. It's against logic.

And IMO it's offensive that the PC movement tries to shove mess like that onto everybody/society
 
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