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I'm an old guy that would not lift a hand against a woman unless my life was in danger. Most of the time men can determine rather quickly if they are in that type of danger. That being said times are changing. A man should not hit a woman, however, a woman should not hit a man without expecting consequences to her actions. Double standards die with equality. Which is the same principle that should apply to races, cultures, ethnic groups, religions, etc. Either cut out the double standards and be equal, or, keep the traditional roles and smooth out the rough spots.
 
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Vols4us said:
I'm an old guy that would not lift a hand against a woman unless my life was in danger. Most of the time men can determine rather quickly if they are in that type of danger. That being said times are changing. A man should not hit a woman, however, a woman should not hit a man without expecting consequences to her actions. Double standards die with equality. Which is the same principle that should apply to races, cultures, ethnic groups, religions, etc. Either cut out the double standards and be equal, or, keep the traditional roles and smooth out the rough spots.
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To be fair, women were actually ladies back in the day. And I guess I should spell out that I'm not saying that it is justified in most every situation to lay hands on someone. Just saying there are a lot of crazies on both sided of the gender.
 
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Fox news called out UT for the asinine neutral pronouns nonsense. Thanks Cheek, making us look good.
 
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jave36 said:
Fox news called out UT for the asinine neutral pronouns nonsense. Thanks Cheek, making us look good.
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Everybody here needs to realize that the gender neutral pronouns chart was put out by the diversity department of student affairs and not the school's administration. UTK's Twitter has been distancing themselves from it since it was posted.


The school is not asking people to use gender neuter pronouns. An organization within the university (that the administration cannot and should not censor) is suggesting/asking it. There's a big difference. None of the school's administrators have any part of it.

Of course, Clay Travis and the mouth breathers on Twitter won't acknowledge that though.

Edit: of course Fox News wouldn't actually take the time to look into this either. Frightening/pissing off hillbillies is too good for business.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Everybody here needs to realize that the gender neutral pronouns chart was put out by the diversity department of student affairs and not the school's administration. UTK's Twitter has been distancing themselves from it since it was posted.


The school is not asking people to use gender neuter pronouns. An organization within the university (that the administration cannot and should not censor) is suggesting/asking it. There's a big difference. None of the school's administrators have any part of it.

Of course, Clay Travis and the mouth breathers on Twitter won't acknowledge that though.
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Why on earth can't the head of the university censure a group that is under him???

I don't follow
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Everybody here needs to realize that the gender neutral pronouns chart was put out by the diversity department of student affairs and not the school's administration. UTK's Twitter has been distancing themselves from it since it was posted.


The school is not asking people to use gender neuter pronouns. An organization within the university (that the administration cannot and should not censor) is suggesting/asking it. There's a big difference. None of the school's administrators have any part of it.

Of course, Clay Travis and the mouth breathers on Twitter won't acknowledge that though.

Edit: of course Fox News wouldn't actually take the time to look into this either. Frightening/pissing off hillbillies is too good for business.
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Is the office of diversity part of UTK? If so, how can UTK distance itself from itself?

And making two tweets saying they don't have a policy on pronouns isn't exactly distancing yourself.

This is an embarrassment to our university. You can't possibly spin this any other way.
 
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BruinVol said:
Why on earth can't the head of the university censure a group that is under him???

I don't follow
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Well, technically he could, but it would probably put his job in jeopardy. There's no reason to stop a school organization from posting something like this. They're just trying to be inclusive. No one is hurt by them putting it out there. The school would be hurt a lot if they tried to suppress it. Surely you can understand that?

That silly chart had absolutely no bearing on any actual school operations. It's just a university group publishing it. There are university groups representing all types of different groups on campus. Administrators shouldn't stop their speech any more than they should stop the speech/posting of Christian/Jewish/Muslim/atheist/republican/democrat, etc posts.

Institutions of higher learning are supposed to be areas that allow free speech. The gender neuter pronoun thing is no more offensive than the people who protest on campus with huge pictures of aborted fetuses and call all of the students on pedestrian walkway fornicators who will burn in hell. The university has to allow for freedom of speech. What's not to get? Would you rather Jimmy Cheek stop the free speech of any organization he didn't agree with?
 
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govols09 said:
Is that group student led or does it fall under Cheek in some way? If it is student led I understand they probably cannot do much (and shouldn't) but if it is a dept within the university there is no excuse.
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If it's student led the administration has to allow them to say anything they want???

Surely not
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Well, technically he could, but it would probably put his job in jeopardy. There's no reason to stop a school organization from posting something like this. They're just trying to be inclusive. No one is hurt by them putting it out there. The school would be hurt a lot if they tried to suppress it. Surely you can understand that?

That silly chart had absolutely no bearing on any actual school operations. It's just a university group publishing it. There are university groups representing all types of different groups on campus. Administrators shouldn't stop their speech any more than they should stop the speech/posting of Christian/Jewish/Muslim/atheist/republican/democrat, etc posts.

Institutions of higher learning are supposed to be areas that allow free speech. The gender neuter pronoun thing is no more offensive than the people who protest on campus with huge pictures of aborted fetuses and call all of the students on pedestrian walkway fornicators who will burn in hell. The university has to allow for freedom of speech. What's not to get? Would you rather Jimmy Cheek stop the free speech of any organization he didn't agree with?
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So could a student group form a version of the KKk and have the liberty to promote thru the university name white supremacy???

It seems you are saying that would be ok.

Doesn't the line have to be drawn somewhere??
 
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Student led organizations that are registered with the university cannot go and say whatever. They can and should be censored if they are out of line with university PR standards.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Is the office of diversity part of UTK? If so, how can UTK distance itself from itself?

And making two tweets saying they don't have a policy on pronouns isn't exactly distancing yourself.

This is an embarrassment to our university. You can't possibly spin this any other way.
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They can't censor the department of diversity any more than they can censor the department of biology or chemistry. It's not like they run every tweet they make by the top administrators.

It's only an embarrassment to people who can't understand that a department in the school dedicated to diversity would want to promote inclusiveness. Their stupid post has nothing to do with school policy and is just fodder for people who want an excuse to be offended or outraged. Just like the type of person who would be offended by being called the wrong pronoun accidentally, but the opposite. Both sides are just looking for non-issues to be outraged about.
 
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BruinVol said:
So could a student group form a version of the KKk and have the liberty to promote thru the university name white supremacy???

It seems you are saying that would be ok.

Doesn't the line have to be drawn somewhere??
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There is a huge difference between hate speech, and some hippies asking for people to use gender neutral pronouns. Are you really to biased against liberals to see the difference there?
 
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utvols88 said:
Student led organizations that are registered with the university cannot go and say whatever. They can and should be censored if they are out of line with university PR standards.
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That's the thing: asking for people to use silly made up pronouns isn't out of line.

Stupid? Yes. Harmful in any way? No.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
There is a huge difference between hate speech, and some hippies asking for people to use gender neutral pronouns. Are you really to biased against liberals to see the difference there?
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Of course I see the difference but where is the line drawn.

Shouldn't it be drawn with where the university stance is on all issues??
 
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It's less about the speech of the organization and more about the fact that, as tuition costs spiral out of control and the higher education bubble continues to inflate to unsustainable levels, the university is investing precious resources into paying administrators to sit around and come up with pronouns instead of cutting layers of bureaucratic fat and focusing on students.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
That's the thing: asking for people to use silly made up pronouns isn't out of line.

Stupid? Yes. Harmful in any way? No.
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The universitys PR would not endorse this. So it is out of line for their standards, I'm sure. It has caused backlash to the university on a national level. ...Allegedly, as I don't watch fox news and it hasn't been mentioned in Jacksonville. Groups are not directly censored but do have to stay within the standards.

Also, it was said these groups can't be censored at all. I disagree with that. The intensity of the statement is irrelevant.
 
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BruinVol said:
But your earlier post said they couldn't censure them regardless??

Or that's the way I took it anyway
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I think what Darth is saying is that the diversity department is just posting information and what they are posting has no bearing on UT policy. If anything, the diversity department has started a national conversation. It is a pretty hilarious one, but it is not the policy of the admin office.

As for suppression, why would the admin want to? UT is an institution of higher learning and the hope would be that from time to time ppl challenge the status quo.
Doesn't mean the challenge sticks or that anyone agrees with it.
 
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