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InVOLuntary said:
According to Hillary and many on the left, the second amendment doesn't mean that citizens can personally own firearms. Give her the chance to appoint several SCOTUS justices, and the second amendment can be redefined with a stroke of a pen. They won't knock on your door but they will regulate them into extinction by executive order. It won't happen overnight but over decades. Don't fool yourself, total disarmament of the general public is the left's ultimate goal.

Darth makes it sound like these things can easily be redone but that is simply not the case. Once the laws, regulations and rulings are in place, it's extremely difficult to reverse them.
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This. Rather naive to believe otherwise with the evidence of the past 8 years in front of us.

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In my almost fifty years on this earth, I have seen many things happen, that I never thought could happen.
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This as well. Add a dozen to the years and you can just imagine how far the needle has moved. The younger generations tend to forget that they will be the old codgers of tomorrow if they live long enough. Many will then be having similar emotions and comments. It has been a slow steady march to ancient Rome for decades now. Denial of it reveals personal immaturity and lack of accepting God's word and will as his/her authority; which the person will understand very well one day, if not today.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
2 questions:

1. What exactly were you trying to convey on the bolded part here? It definitely sounds like you're implying a civil war will be necessary to undo any supreme court rulings made after Hillary picks a new SCJ.

2. What pending rulings do you see being so harmful that we'll need a civil war to resolve?

3. How exactly will the Bill of Rights end if Hillary becomes president? Would you not call that hyperbolic?
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1. As it is written right there in black in white I said the only two likely ways of actually overturning SCOTUS disasters will be either an amendment initiated by the states as described in article five or a war. I don't believe the court will ever overrule itself. It will take decades for all those leftists to die and be replaced. Hence the other two real options. It demonstrates the difficulty changing these things presents.
2. First, I never said a war would absolutely be necessary, only that its one of three possible avenues. Thus demonstrating the permanent nature of these horrible changes. However, The interpretation of the second amendment. There's one. The interpretation of separation of powers. The interpretation of powers given to non-elected entities such as the EPA. There are many screwed up things leftist justices absolutely would do eagerly.
3 See number two. That's a direct assault against the bill of rights and the individual. The goal is to alter our system from being individual centered towards a collective centered system in which the government is not limited by the Constitution.

Now stop twisting my words to make it look like I'm in here advocating violence. You're like the Roger Stone of Volnation.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
In my almost fifty years on this earth, I have seen many things happen, that I never thought could happen.
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62 here. I never thought so many Americans would settle for a liar and corrupt evil person for president when the evidence is so overwhelming. It could happen so I agree. I'll be surprised by nothing.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I don't think they'll be a large scale armed revolt but I do think there could be some small scale uprisings around the country we've seen this happen on small scales in recent history. I could see it becoming more organized and some small militias doing some gorilla type stuff.
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Timothy Mcveigh type stuff. Sounds like terrorism to me. How would you react if you saw a group of armed men storming the capital building of your state? Would you think they are terrorist, foreign enemies, or the revolution you were waiting for? Would you be a patriot and kill them or traitor and join them? I guess it depends on who is in office right?
 
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Mick said:
Timothy Mcveigh type stuff. Sounds like terrorism to me. How would you react if you saw a group of armed men storming the capital building of your state? Would you think they are terrorist, foreign enemies, or the revolution you were waiting for? Would you be a patriot and kill them or traitor and join them? I guess it depends on who is in office right?
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I think there is a difference in armed civil revolt and terrorism. Terrorism is exactly that, killing and performing acts with a sole goal of causing terror. Civil revolt is to change policy, totally different motives.

As far as myself, no I wouldn't participate in any way. I would go into self preservation mode. I gather up my family and use firearms in defense of my family's lives and property.

And just to provoke thought, what if our founders never revolted against Brittan? Did those Patriots have the right to rebel against perceived oppression? Many people in this country feel disenfranchised. They feel this government does not represent their ideals, their Constitution, or how they perceive their country should look. Many people pay their taxes only to see it support causes that they are morally, and fiscally against. They see government as over stepping their purpose. They see government telling them and attempting to force them to live a way that is contradictory to the way they want to live. They see a government that forces people to behave a certain way while exempting themselves from the same views. They see a government that has snowballed to the point that they don't think can be reversed.

Take the BLM movement. They protest what they see as being disenfranchised. They use all kinds of tactics including murder (they claim to not sanction it but people do it in their name). No one is calling them terrorist.

Now given all that, do I condone violence to achieve a political goal? Absolutely not! Can I understand people revolting against a non-represntative oppressive government? Without a doubt. It has happened in our country's history and countless other countries even in the recent history. Will it happen? I have no idea. Do I hope it happens? No, I sincerely hope we as a country can settle our differences peacefully. Unfortunately, you have a huge populace of our citizenry that disagrees with another huge populace of citizenry. This country is about split 50/50 on many ideologies.

Take a look at the electoral map. About 10 states elect our president. These states are typically liberal. Here in TN there is really no reason to vote. People in the majority of other states feel like they have no say. That is a recipe for disaster.
 
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Mick said:
Timothy Mcveigh type stuff. Sounds like terrorism to me. How would you react if you saw a group of armed men storming the capital building of your state? Would you think they are terrorist, foreign enemies, or the revolution you were waiting for? Would you be a patriot and kill them or traitor and join them? I guess it depends on who is in office right?
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The founding fathers were considered Patriots by many but the English called them traitors. I am not advocating violence but the definition of what a person. Would be considered depends on your point of view and which side wins. Nobody thought a bunch of backwoods rustic could defeat the greatest military power in the world but here we stand in the United States of America. The victor writes the history books and patriot and traitor are just a matter of perspective.
 
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It's not about Republican vs Democrat.

It's about getting the Elite and corrupt out on BOTH sides. Only Trump will do that. Look at his ethics reform.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
Of course I am, like most Americans.
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So just a few questions...

You're cool with DNC mass voter fraud? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs

You're okay with Hillary campaign inciting violence at Trump rally, where police officers were badly injured? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs

It doesn't bother you that DNC are illegally using busses for "voters" to vote several times? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDTcxIqqM0

You think it's good to have TPP and NAFTA, which Hillary called the "Golden Standard"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnC1mqyAXmw

Is it really okay for a candidate to take millions of dollars from a country that rapes and kills gays and women, all while claiming to support women and gays?
Funding terrorism — and the Clintons | New York Post

... and that's not even half of it. Remember the wikileaks and the whole lying to the FBI (who is also bought out) deal?

" but but but Trump says mean things :cray: "
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I think there is a difference in armed civil revolt and terrorism. Terrorism is exactly that, killing and performing acts with a sole goal of causing terror. Civil revolt is to change policy, totally different motives.

As far as myself, no I wouldn't participate in any way. I would go into self preservation mode. I gather up my family and use firearms in defense of my family's lives and property.

And just to provoke thought, what if our founders never revolted against Brittan? Did those Patriots have the right to rebel against perceived oppression? Many people in this country feel disenfranchised. They feel this government does not represent their ideals, their Constitution, or how they perceive their country should look. Many people pay their taxes only to see it support causes that they are morally, and fiscally against. They see government as over stepping their purpose. They see government telling them and attempting to force them to live a way that is contradictory to the way they want to live. They see a government that forces people to behave a certain way while exempting themselves from the same views. They see a government that has snowballed to the point that they don't think can be reversed.

Take the BLM movement. They protest what they see as being disenfranchised. They use all kinds of tactics including murder (they claim to not sanction it but people do it in their name). No one is calling them terrorist.

Now given all that, do I condone violence to achieve a political goal? Absolutely not! Can I understand people revolting against a non-represntative oppressive government? Without a doubt. It has happened in our country's history and countless other countries even in the recent history. Will it happen? I have no idea. Do I hope it happens? No, I sincerely hope we as a country can settle our differences peacefully. Unfortunately, you have a huge populace of our citizenry that disagrees with another huge populace of citizenry. This country is about split 50/50 on many ideologies.

Take a look at the electoral map. About 10 states elect our president. These states are typically liberal. Here in TN there is really no reason to vote. People in the majority of other states feel like they have no say. That is a recipe for disaster.
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Very well stated. I have been in the National Guard for nearly twenty years and have actually pondered what a revolt would mean and how the National Guard would be used. It is very scary to think that there are some in our country that might be angry enough to go that far. I pray that God has bigger plans for this country and won't let us implode on ourselves for a long time yet.
 
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glichtenwalter said:
Very well stated. I have been in the National Guard for nearly twenty years and have actually pondered what a revolt would mean and how the National Guard would be used. It is very scary to think that there are some in our country that might be angry enough to go that far. I pray that God has bigger plans for this country and won't let us implode on ourselves for a long time yet.
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I can't fathom the idea of having to raise arms against other Americans. You, and other public servants would have to make decisions that are inconceivable.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I can't fathom the idea of having to raise arms against other Americans. You, and other public servants would have to make decisions that are inconceivable.
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I can't imagine what folks back in the Revolutionary War had to deal with. Many Scottish immigrants had no love for the crown but had sworn allegiance oaths after their failed revolt and had been forced to emigrate to America. When your government is not representing you and you have done everything in your power but it isn't getting any better, what do you do? Move somewhere else? Socialism is spreading across the globe and people are eating it up. What happens when the producers decide it isn't worth their effort to work hard to fund the laziness of others anymore. There will eventually be a conflict but to what level is the question.

This is the oath I took upon becoming an Officer:
I, _____, having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."
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I swore to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. What happens when the government attacks the constitution?
 
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glichtenwalter said:
I can't imagine what folks back in the Revolutionary War had to deal with. Many Scottish immigrants had no love for the crown but had sworn allegiance oaths after their failed revolt and had been forced to emigrate to America. When your government is not representing you and you have done everything in your power but it isn't getting any better, what do you do? Move somewhere else? Socialism is spreading across the globe and people are eating it up. What happens when the producers decide it isn't worth their effort to work hard to fund the laziness of others anymore. There will eventually be a conflict but to what level is the question.

This is the oath I took upon becoming an Officer:


I swore to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. What happens when the government attacks the constitution?
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Now that's a million dollar question.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Who's disavowing his accomplishments? Acknowledging that the man had character flaws and was a hypocrite on the issue of liberty doesn't undo the great accomplishments he had. It just humanizes him and makes him more interesting.

I mean, even the man's greatest act as president required the guy to compromise his political principles. That's interesting!

If we just brush all the bad stuff under the rug, we're robbing ourselves of our own history.
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Several of the founding fathers including Jefferson realized the issue of demanding liberty for all with slavery for some still in place. The southern states would not allow it to be abolished and support any new fledgling government. Yet as several black historians have pointed out, they put a small loophole in the Constitution which allowed for this issue to be corrected in the future. Call it a flaw if you wish but they had to do it the way they did or we would still be subjects instead of citizens. Flawed most certainly but not in this manner as you suggest.
 
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glichtenwalter said:
I can't imagine what folks back in the Revolutionary War had to deal with. Many Scottish immigrants had no love for the crown but had sworn allegiance oaths after their failed revolt and had been forced to emigrate to America. When your government is not representing you and you have done everything in your power but it isn't getting any better, what do you do? Move somewhere else? Socialism is spreading across the globe and people are eating it up. What happens when the producers decide it isn't worth their effort to work hard to fund the laziness of others anymore. There will eventually be a conflict but to what level is the question.

This is the oath I took upon becoming an Officer:


I swore to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. What happens when the government attacks the constitution?
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There is a life cycle to everything. Globalism attempts to water down national governing documents and laws to make them meaningless. To dissolve national identities into national cultures that are part of a new whole. Which is why Obama, Kerry, Clintons, etc. want more involvement in the UN, world court system, etc. It is a willful move in conflict with our governing documents, so they no longer reference them and use other sources to be the authorities in each area of the life of the country. If we do nothing, we can expect nothing.

Brexit sent a message and caused a tremor. It's time for the massive earthquake so you do not have to act on your oath at some point. To appease the world by willfully becoming less is like having Saban lose games intentionally so everybody else has a chance to win the SEC. He would lose his job if he did that. So should the idiots trying to do the same thing to America.
 
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JacketVol said:
Several of the founding fathers including Jefferson realized the issue of demanding liberty for all with slavery for some still in place. The southern states would not allow it to be abolished and support any new fledgling government. Yet as several black historians have pointed out, they put a small loophole in the Constitution which allowed for this issue to be corrected in the future. Call it a flaw if you wish but they had to do it the way they did or we would still be subjects instead of citizens. Flawed most certainly but not in this manner as you suggest.
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Yes, southern states would not budge on the issue of slavery and northern states let it be in order for unity and a chance to survive as a nation. But I'm talking about the person, not the country's politics at the time.


It's not like individuals like Jefferson had no choice but to keep their slaves. It was perfectly legal free them. But Jefferson was too bad bad with money and not willing to live a more humble life, so he never freed any of his slaves.


We can read the things Jefferson thought about slavery. He thought abolition was necessary for the country moving forward. But he never freed any of his slaves. That's textbook hypocrisy.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I think there is a difference in armed civil revolt and terrorism. Terrorism is exactly that, killing and performing acts with a sole goal of causing terror. Civil revolt is to change policy, totally different motives.

As far as myself, no I wouldn't participate in any way. I would go into self preservation mode. I gather up my family and use firearms in defense of my family's lives and property.

And just to provoke thought, what if our founders never revolted against Brittan? Did those Patriots have the right to rebel against perceived oppression? Many people in this country feel disenfranchised. They feel this government does not represent their ideals, their Constitution, or how they perceive their country should look. Many people pay their taxes only to see it support causes that they are morally, and fiscally against. They see government as over stepping their purpose. They see government telling them and attempting to force them to live a way that is contradictory to the way they want to live. They see a government that forces people to behave a certain way while exempting themselves from the same views. They see a government that has snowballed to the point that they don't think can be reversed.

Take the BLM movement. They protest what they see as being disenfranchised. They use all kinds of tactics including murder (they claim to not sanction it but people do it in their name). No one is calling them terrorist.

Now given all that, do I condone violence to achieve a political goal? Absolutely not! Can I understand people revolting against a non-represntative oppressive government? Without a doubt. It has happened in our country's history and countless other countries even in the recent history. Will it happen? I have no idea. Do I hope it happens? No, I sincerely hope we as a country can settle our differences peacefully. Unfortunately, you have a huge populace of our citizenry that disagrees with another huge populace of citizenry. This country is about split 50/50 on many ideologies.

Take a look at the electoral map. About 10 states elect our president. These states are typically liberal. Here in TN there is really no reason to vote. People in the majority of other states feel like they have no say. That is a recipe for disaster.
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This is exactly word for word how I feel about the situation. Wasn't it Khrushchev that said "We will take America without ever firing a shot"? I is getting closer and closer to truth all the time.
 
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Her supporters: "Its all a lie" "Propaganda conspiracy" etc.... It really is sickening what she and the DNC are getting away with.
 
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