Recruiting Forum Off-Topic Thread II

[JohnD13]

You're right. Some people just want to ignore reality for leftist PC sake. They need to be defeated and hopefully in November they will be. Moral equivolance is a disease leftist suffer from and it's a terminal illness in this case. And lol at leftists accusing us of being political during a tragedy. Obama is the freaking President and he does it EVERY TIME. Thats why we're having the discussion. It's disgraceful.

We are screwed with Trump just as much. The choices we for the highest office are a joke and we deserve better but no one worth a crap will take the job.

 

[chargervol]

I've always been staunchly pro-gun myself. I think we have to figure out some way to stop these guns from getting in the wrong hands, but really have no idea what the solution should be or even if there is a solution.

I mean France has crazy restrictive gun laws, and they've still had their fair share of this type of terrorism. Crazy people are going to find a way to get what they need for these types of things one way or another it seems like.

Yeah, if we found a complete answer to this or terror or violence in general, we would accomplish something many a wiser man before us had failed to achieve.
I don't like my chances.

I seem to fall on the side of 'freedom to' on most issues unless that freedom conclusively harms another.
Drunk driving, dumping hazardous waste etc..

 

[BJHSVol]

I'm pro-gun myself, but I hate the argument of "well terrorists can get them, so nothing should be banned." It's just lazy. Terrorists can probably get grenades and other military-grade explosives in the country, but that doesn't mean the average citizen should be able to. We lead the world in Mass Shootings by a large margin, and I think that means as a country we should at least have a real discussion about what the options are. Not the self-righteous attacks and arguments used by BOTH sides that just try to prove themselves right and the others wrong.

In this case, the FBI was looking into him, so maybe if the relevant Federal and State agencies shared more information he wouldn't have received the different gun liscenses that he had. Maybe if we had a sort of "no fly list" for gun ownership this could've been prevented. Liberals need to stop assuming conservatives are homophobic racists that hate poor people and conservatives need to stop assuming liberals are communists that hate America. Both sides need to pull their heads out of their own asses and realize America is great when the country is working together and not when we're at each other's throats in a dick measuring contest

 

[Skullbone]

We are screwed with Trump just as much. The choices we for the highest office are a joke and we deserve better but no one worth a crap will take the job.

Yeah, he kind of stinks, but he's the best hope we have. Waaaay better than what's in there now or might be otherwise. The committed leftists must be defeated foremost.

 

[chargervol]

I'm pro-gun myself, but I hate the argument of "well terrorists can get them, so nothing should be banned." It's just lazy. Terrorists can probably get grenades and other military-grade explosives in the country, but that doesn't mean the average citizen should be able to. We lead the world in Mass Shootings by a large margin, and I think that means as a country we should at least have a real discussion about what the options are. Not the self-righteous attacks and arguments used by BOTH sides that just try to prove themselves right and the others wrong.

In this case, the FBI was looking into him, so maybe if the relevant Federal and State agencies shared more information he wouldn't have received the different gun liscenses that he had. Maybe if we had a sort of "no fly list" for gun ownership this could've been prevented. Liberals need to stop assuming conservatives are homophobic racists that hate poor people and conservatives need to stop assuming liberals are communists that hate America. Both sides need to pull their heads out of their own asses and realize America is great when the country is working together and not when we're at each other's throats in a dick measuring contest

But the discussion was, would gun laws stop terrorists like this. The argument here wasn't laziness.
The real answer is terrorists will not abide by "you're not allowed to have" theory.

We could remove even more of our own freedoms in an attempt to slow their actions but I TRULY don't believe it will hinder them even noticeably.
We have more laws than ever and the attacks are increasing.
Trust me, that's not just some line, it's very much a fact.

 

[chargervol]

I see I was also way off base with my "you either pass the litmus test or your a freakin leftist" comment. Lol

Bet many of our intelligence guys that have worked so hard to gather strategic planning would be surprised to learn that the suggestions they have made is proof of their leftism and sympathizing.

Disgraceful.

 

[BJHSVol]

But the discussion was, would gun laws stop terrorists like this. The argument here wasn't laziness.
The real answer is terrorists will not abide by "you're not allowed to have" theory.

We could remove even more of our own freedoms in an attempt to slow their actions but I TRULY don't believe it will hinder them even noticeably.
We have more laws than ever and the attacks are increasing.
Trust me, that's not just some line, it's very much a fact.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in this case as well as in the San Bernandino shootings, neither of them were linked to any actual ISIS cells. They were sympathizers and had contact over the Internet, but they didn't receive any training or supplies from any terrorist organization.

If that's the case, shouldn't we look at our laws and if there's a way to stop more of these home grown attacks?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Him changing a single word would have absolutely no helpful outcome at all and it's just foolishness to pretend otherwise.

You are too informed to continue this line of debate.
If a Republican was in office, nobody, especially Rush or Fox etc.., would have a single issue with them saying ISIS. Because it's the smart tactic.
It's a strawman attack on the other party.

Israel has never been shy about remarks on the entire religion and it has never once aided their cause or brought them peace and victory.
To even pretend otherwise is silly. Just silly. Forget the "PC crowd", it's my nephew and those with him.

But so is me trying to get you to say such.
So I will say much respect and wasn't today's commitment a nice change of pace? Go Vols.

My problem has nothing g to do with party. No, I don't care for Obama and he's been the worst president in modern US history in my opinion but it has nothing to do with that. It has to do with him chosing to protect a religion that while a vast majority is peaceful has a cancer that is growing day by day, week by week, year by year. He does this at the same time as he puts blame on lax US gun laws, an insult to law abiding gun owners everywhere instead of placing the blame squarely at the feet of radical Islam where it should be. The existing laws where if a female makes a claim that you've assaulted her, you immediately can lose your carry permit, have your guns confiscated and lose your second ammendment rights, whereas a radicalized Muslim that has been investigated by the FBI on two occasions for links to terrorism, has know to associated with a radical cleric in the prison system in central FL, and is a known homophobe that has made threats against gays in the past, has been ok'd to not only purchase guns but was employed by a security firm and had a high level gun license. All because he was Muslim and the government didn't want the appearance of racism. People, including myself, are sick and tired of our rights being chalenged when rights of non-Americans are treated as special when many want us dead.

Great pickup by the Vols by the way!

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'm pro-gun myself, but I hate the argument of "well terrorists can get them, so nothing should be banned." It's just lazy. Terrorists can probably get grenades and other military-grade explosives in the country, but that doesn't mean the average citizen should be able to. We lead the world in Mass Shootings by a large margin, and I think that means as a country we should at least have a real discussion about what the options are. Not the self-righteous attacks and arguments used by BOTH sides that just try to prove themselves right and the others wrong.

In this case, the FBI was looking into him, so maybe if the relevant Federal and State agencies shared more information he wouldn't have received the different gun liscenses that he had. Maybe if we had a sort of "no fly list" for gun ownership this could've been prevented. Liberals need to stop assuming conservatives are homophobic racists that hate poor people and conservatives need to stop assuming liberals are communists that hate America. Both sides need to pull their heads out of their own asses and realize America is great when the country is working together and not when we're at each other's throats in a dick measuring contest

The problem with liberals is when the dog misbehaves they want to kick the cat.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in this case as well as in the San Bernandino shootings, neither of them were linked to any actual ISIS cells. They were sympathizers and had contact over the Internet, but they didn't receive any training or supplies from any terrorist organization.

If that's the case, shouldn't we look at our laws and if there's a way to stop more of these home grown attacks?

You're wrong. It has already been reported he had ties to a radical Muslim cleric that was in the prison system in central FL. He also, was investigated twice and the feds gave him the ok despite numerous reports of his behavior bein anti-American and extremely homophobic. His dad was a pro Taliban and ran as presideNT of Afghanistan as pro-Talaban.

 

[chargervol]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in this case as well as in the San Bernandino shootings, neither of them were linked to any actual ISIS cells. They were sympathizers and had contact over the Internet, but they didn't receive any training or supplies from any terrorist organization.

If that's the case, shouldn't we look at our laws and if there's a way to stop more of these home grown attacks?

I have no problem at all with the discussion.
I'm simply giving my personal opinion on the subject.

There has to be cases where the laws would change exactly how it did happen.
My belief is -had those laws been in place, the attacks would still take place. They may have been planned differently or taken longer but evil still finds a way. Someone pointed out the gun laws in France earlier.
There may be some merit when it comes to sudden passion or rage filled domestic violence but no law has slowed the more methodical acts of terrorism.
Like I said, just my opinion.

 

[BJHSVol]

You're wrong. It has already been reported he had ties to a radical Muslim cleric that was in the prison system in central FL. He also, was investigated twice and the feds gave him the ok despite numerous reports of his behavior bein anti-American and extremely homophobic. His dad was a pro Taliban and ran as presideNT of Afghanistan as pro-Talaban.

Maybe I wasn't clear, but he didn't have any ties to any overseas organization did he? Meaning he supplied himself with the weapons he used. So if we knew all that about him, and he was still able to get the guns he needed, clearly at some point something broke down and there needs to be some changes

 

[chargervol]

My problem has nothing g to do with party. No, I don't care for Obama and he's been the worst president in modern US history in my opinion but it has nothing to do with that. It has to do with him chosing to protect a religion that while a vast majority is peaceful has a cancer that is growing day by day, week by week, year by year. He does this at the same time as he puts blame on lax US gun laws, an insult to law abiding gun owners everywhere instead of placing the blame squarely at the feet of radical Islam where it should be. The existing laws where if a female makes a claim that you've assaulted her, you immediately can lose your carry permit, have your guns confiscated and lose your second ammendment rights, whereas a radicalized Muslim that has been investigated by the FBI on two occasions for links to terrorism, has know to associated with a radical cleric in the prison system in central FL, and is a known homophobe that has made threats against gays in the past, has been ok'd to not only purchase guns but was employed by a security firm and had a high level gun license. All because he was Muslim and the government didn't want the appearance of racism. People, including myself, are sick and tired of our rights being chalenged when rights of non-Americans are treated as special when many want us dead.

Great pickup by the Vols by the way!

Understood.
I still believe regardless of the president or party, our intelligence and field commanders have gained a respect for tact with language and avoiding provocation of ally Muslims.
Some gain there and no gain by not.

Either way, thanks for the respectful discussion and whatever the answer, I just hope we see the abilities the sick sob's start to diminish.

Have a good night bud.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Maybe I wasn't clear, but he didn't have any ties to any overseas organization did he? Meaning he supplied himself with the weapons he used. So if we knew all that about him, and he was still able to get the guns he needed, clearly at some point something broke down and there needs to be some changes

That's the point I was making. If a white American had the same background and was investigated by the FBI he would not have passed a background check. He passed a background check because of his race and political correctness.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Understood.
I still believe regardless of the president or party, our intelligence and field commanders have gained a respect for tact with language and avoiding provocation of ally Muslims.
Some gain there and no gain by not.

Either way, thanks for the respectful discussion and whatever the answer, I just hope we see the abilities the sick sob's start to diminish.

Have a good night bud.

You too my friend!

 

[drvenner]

There are just way too many guns out there now. Any sort of gun control legislation would be closing the perineal barn door now that the criminal horse has escaped. The only remotely fallible argument is that if someone is in possession of a gun illegally, they can be taken in for that at least, which might lead to other charges or interrogation that brings in others. Still, it would be a tiny drop in the bucket and be too restrictive on law abiding citizens who truly possess guns for sport or protection.

 

[Catbone]

We should ban junk food for people dying of obesity.

We should ban cars for people dying in wrecks.

We should ban airplanes for people dying in 9/11.

We should ban guns for people dying getting shot.

We should ban medicine for dying by OD'ing.

 

[BJHSVol]

That's the point I was making. If a white American had the same background and was investigated by the FBI he would not have passed a background check. He passed a background check because of his race and political correctness.

I don't think that information is shared between federal and state agencies. Which is my point that we need some type of law that forces them to share information so we don't find this type of stuff out after something has occurred

 

[InVOLuntary]

I don't think that information is shared between federal and state agencies. Which is my point that we need some type of law that forces them to share information so we don't find this type of stuff out after something has occurred

When you go for a background check, it is a Federal system. The FBI is obviously a federal agency. He made it through obviously because the Feds didn't want to be viewed as Islamaphobic and racial profiling.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

We should ban junk food for people dying of obesity.

We should ban cars for people dying in wrecks.

We should ban airplanes for people dying in 9/11.

We should ban guns for people dying getting shot.

We should ban medicine for dying by OD'ing.

I feel like there is a song in here somewhere....
If there was only a bass player to lay down a riff to go with it, give it soul...

Oh wait, calling CatBone

 

[Catbone]

I feel like there is a song in here somewhere....
If there was only a bass player to lay down a riff to go with it, give it soul...

Oh wait, calling CatBone

Haha we had to fire our manager. In a sh**** place right now

 

[SmokinBob]

I too am ashamed of Bruin for letting acts of horror make him reevaluate his views. How dare you, bruin!?


In all seriousness, though, I'm not sure I agree with you, Bruin. But I have begun to have some similar seeds of doubt of late. Haven't really figured out exactly where I stand yet. It's a tough issue.

Trying to look at things from a viewpoint different from one's own is difficult to do and is a rare skill these days. Props for giving it a go!

I'm thinking we should ban "gun-free" zones. That way, the law abiding, concealed carry among us would carry in those places (bars, schools, etc.) that these hate-filled murderers have chosen to carry out their mass killings, and stop them.

I know, I know, run-on sentence

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'm thinking we should ban "gun-free" zones. That way, the law abiding, concealed carry among us would carry in those places (bars, schools, etc.) that these hate-filled murderers have chosen to carry out their mass killings, and stop them.

I know, I know, run-on sentence

It was a dang goodn' too!

 

[BJHSVol]

When you go for a background check, it is a Federal system. The FBI is obviously a federal agency. He made it through obviously because the Feds didn't want to be viewed as Islamaphobic and racial profiling.

The federal background check only uses the NICS, which checks criminal history, drug abuse, or domestic violence history. My point was that we need to incorporate the information from these investigations into the checks.

 

[InVOLuntary]

The federal background check only uses the NICS, which checks criminal history, drug abuse, or domestic violence history. My point was that we need to incorporate the information from these investigations into the checks.

Not disagreeing with that. I wonder if you are on the "Do not Fly" list if you fail a background check for a firearm purchase?