Recruiting Forum Off-Topic Thread II

Status
Not open for further replies.
#652
#652
Catbone said:
I find much of the bible extremely difficult to comprehend just from the sheer amount of metaphors and different ways to interpret the text.
Click to expand...

Start with Joshua and Judges, IMO. Potentially the best scripts for action movies ever.

Like Shamgar, from Judges, is only mentioned in like one or two verses totally in passing. A mostly unrelated chapter is finishing up and it's just like, "oh yeah and this guy named Shamgar killed 600 phillistines with an OC goad, dude was Boss." No context really...we don't know if he took on 600 dudes alone, or was a part of some guerilla campaign that struck fear into the hearts of Phillistines everywhere.

Personally, I like to imagine him as some sort of vigilante, stalking the wicked under cover of darkness and reigning down divine retribution with his kind-of-pointy stick. You could make some sick action movies out of the stories in Joshua-2 Chronicles.

If you're into action and truly want to understand the meaning of "getting biblical" on someone, read those books. They're not too heavy handed with metaphors or anything like that because they're basically meant to function as historical record.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#655
#655
volssam said:
Views like this really sadden me. But it is definitely your choice to make. However I would sincerely ask that you please not be so hostile with your statements, with the condescending derision and the name-calling.
Click to expand...

He calls people zanie but at the same time lumps thier ignorance for liking Trump because he does the same thing as he did in the thread. BS's and calls people who are different than him names. Real logical and open thinker that dude. From personal experience, I know evil exist as well as good and have seen some things of both. Hard for the human mind to comprehend in some ways but simple in other ways. Evolution theory helps to prove God exist when you get down to it.
 
#656
#656
seaofORANGE22 said:
I am a Christian and I agree with this.

It rubs me the wrong way to see politicians like Cruz use Christianity in a way that ultimately only brings Ted Cruz more glory. He makes me feel like he's only bringing up his faith to try to gain my vote. It just sounds like another talking point. If being a Christian is who you are. Great. But being a Christian has to be greater than just using church lingo to draw a rise from a crowd. It's being renewed in your thinking and being driven by seeing others changed by the gospel. I feel like many politicians are only using "religion" to cover a greater demographic.

I would honestly be okay if he just said he was not a Christian. That would be fine. In that case, I would respect his honesty. I don't think somebody has to be a Christian to be a good president.

I'm not even trying to doubt Cruz's faith. Or Trumps. Or anyone else's. Who am I to judge their hearts? That's between them and God. I'm just discouraged, because many on the fringe end up believing that that's all Christ offers. Become a Christian so you can do the right thing and vote republican!

More and more I'm seeing that my hope will never lie in a politician coming in and fixing everything for me.

Also..... Christians are doing it all wrong if the world is only seeing us as some type of moral police. What a shame that is.
Click to expand...

God was before America and will always be.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#657
#657
Salvation is obtained thru faith that Jesus died on the cross for your sins. That is all that is required for salvation. Then you live to be a follower and grow to be perfect which the original Greek means to be mature. You start out like a baby and some stay that way. Others become mature and grow and reach others. Nothing wrong to be baptized as started by Christ when on this earth but not the requirement to be saved. I knew of a preacher who would got to a hospital with someone dying and try to baptize them if they had not been before. Had to do it before they died. His saving power and grace is much stronger than that. I agree with the symbolism and statement to others that you are now a follower by doing it but to say without it that you would not go to heaven is something that I just do not believe. No way we will all believe on everything but if you are a Christian then it starts and ends at the cross. I am now out. Attack as you wish but you really need to go and study the Hebrew and Greek to really get to the root of so many Biblical things.
 
#658
#658
JacketVol said:
Salvation is obtained thru faith that Jesus died on the cross for your sins. That is all that is required for salvation. Then you live to be a follower and grow to be perfect which the original Greek means to be mature. You start out like a baby and some stay that way. Others become mature and grow and reach others. Nothing wrong to be baptized as started by Christ when on this earth but not the requirement to be saved. I knew of a preacher who would got to a hospital with someone dying and try to baptize them if they had not been before. Had to do it before they died. His saving power and grace is much stronger than that. I agree with the symbolism and statement to others that you are now a follower by doing it but to say without it that you would not go to heaven is something that I just do not believe. No way we will all believe on everything but if you are a Christian then it starts and ends at the cross. I am now out. Attack as you wish but you really need to go and study the Hebrew and Greek to really get to the root of so many Biblical things.
Click to expand...


Thanks for your thoughts. This is the most important thing we could talk about on these boards, but also one of the most controversial. So thanks for offering your thoughts.

Please take a look at the verses i posted earlier in regards to baptism. To me, it is pretty clear that baptism is required. And Not baptism alone, mind you. Just getting baptized to get baptized will do nothing but get you wet. And it's not the act itself. There is no special power in the water. It's the obedient submission to God's Will that grants you access to the saving power of Jesus's blood.

It may seem silly to think an act like that is required by God. But it's not me saying it. I humbly ask you to pray for an open mind and heart and Read the Bible, specifically the passages I mentioned earlier.

To sorta relate the why of it to something in the OT: God, through Elisha, told Naaman how to get rid of his leprosy. He told him to go dip in the Jordan River seven times. Naaman got mad. "Why?! Why the Jordan River?! There are much better rivers than that one back where I come from!!". But then Someone put him in check. If he had been asked to do something great to be cured, would he not have done it? Of course he would. Then why not just do this simple act asked of him by the prophet of God. And so he did. Was he cleansed after he came up the first time? No. The fifth? Sixth? No. Only after he had obeyed God and dipped the seven times was he cleansed of his leprosy.

Similarly, Baptism may seem silly or seem only like a symbol and we as humans may question why and how that could get us into Christ. But again, just read the words there in the Bible. And just like with Naaman, It's such a simple act of obedience and submission to God and His Words. It's the repentance (also required per the the Scruptures) that's the hard part, if you ask me.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#660
#660
volssam said:
Thanks for your thoughts. This is the most important thing we could talk about on these boards, but also one of the most controversial. So thanks for offering your thoughts.

Please take a look at the verses i posted earlier in regards to baptism. To me, it is pretty clear that baptism is required. And Not baptism alone, mind you. Just getting baptized to get baptized will do nothing but get you wet. And it's not the act itself. There is no special power in the water. It's the obedient submission to God's Will that grants you access to the saving power of Jesus's blood.

It may seem silly to think an act like that is required by God. But it's not me saying it. I humbly ask you to pray for an open mind and heart and Read the Bible, specifically the passages I mentioned earlier.

To sorta relate the why of it to something in the OT: God, through Elisha, told Naaman how to get rid of his leprosy. He told him to go dip in the Jordan River seven times. Naaman got mad. "Why?! Why the Jordan River?! There are much better rivers than that one back where I come from!!". But then Someone put him in check. If he had been asked to do something great to be cured, would he not have done it? Of course he would. Then why not just do this simple act asked of him by the prophet of God. And so he did. Was he cleansed after he came up the first time? No. The fifth? Sixth? No. Only after he had obeyed God and dipped the seven times was he cleansed of his leprosy.

Similarly, Baptism may seem silly or seem only like a symbol and we as humans may question why and how that could get us into Christ. But again, just read the words there in the Bible. And just like with Naaman, It's such a simple act of obedience and submission to God and His Words. It's the repentance (also required per the the Scruptures) that's the hard part, if you ask me.

I'm new to the posting thing here. The question I have is what about the thief on the cross? Was he baptized? I to believe in baptism, but I do believe you can go to heaven without being water baptized. Jesus's blood covers all sin something water can't do
Click to expand...
 
#661
#661
volssam said:
I don't mean we can earn our way to heaven by doing good. That is impossible. We are imperfect and sin and we can't do enough good. Grace is the only way.

What I meant with the through obedience comment: I believe the Bible teaches the grace is accessed through Jesus's blood, and that that blood is accessed through faith, repentance, confession, and ultimately baptism (immersion).

Acts 2:37-38
1 Peter 3:21
Mark 16:15-16
I Cor 15:1-4 coupled with Romans 6:1-4
Galatians 3:26-27
Romans 10:13 coupled with Acts 22:16
Acts 8:36-38
Click to expand...

The Bible does not teach that grace is accessed through Jesus' blood , confession or baptism.

Ephesians 2:8-9 says, For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourse!lves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Grace is accessed by faith alone in Christ alone.

True faith in Christ includes a turning from sin and self (repentance) and turning to and trust in the crucified and resurrected Savior.
 
#662
#662
volssam said:
Thanks for your thoughts. This is the most important thing we could talk about on these boards, but also one of the most controversial. So thanks for offering your thoughts.

Please take a look at the verses i posted earlier in regards to baptism. To me, it is pretty clear that baptism is required. And Not baptism alone, mind you. Just getting baptized to get baptized will do nothing but get you wet. And it's not the act itself. There is no special power in the water. It's the obedient submission to God's Will that grants you access to the saving power of Jesus's blood.

It may seem silly to think an act like that is required by God. But it's not me saying it. I humbly ask you to pray for an open mind and heart and Read the Bible, specifically the passages I mentioned earlier.

To sorta relate the why of it to something in the OT: God, through Elisha, told Naaman how to get rid of his leprosy. He told him to go dip in the Jordan River seven times. Naaman got mad. "Why?! Why the Jordan River?! There are much better rivers than that one back where I come from!!". But then Someone put him in check. If he had been asked to do something great to be cured, would he not have done it? Of course he would. Then why not just do this simple act asked of him by the prophet of God. And so he did. Was he cleansed after he came up the first time? No. The fifth? Sixth? No. Only after he had obeyed God and dipped the seven times was he cleansed of his leprosy.

Similarly, Baptism may seem silly or seem only like a symbol and we as humans may question why and how that could get us into Christ. But again, just read the words there in the Bible. And just like with Naaman, It's such a simple act of obedience and submission to God and His Words. It's the repentance (also required per the the Scruptures) that's the hard part, if you ask me.
Click to expand...

I have been baptized and it is an act of obedience and everything you said. However, it is not required for you to be saved. Sometimes, there just is no time. To be faithful and follow him then follow his commands. Be baptized but it is not a requirement of the free gift of salvation. It is ok to disagree. I have a degree in Bible though not my major and what I do for a living but that doesn't make me smarter than you or anyone else. But, I am not someone who has not studied for myself. I am glad that you have a passion for Christ and others and leading them to him is the main thing. God really can handle all the other stuff better than you and I and he really does know the heart. Keep the faith and Go Vols.

I hate to say it but I think he really loves the bammers too. Not sure about the real crazy ones but probably them as well. :)
 
#667
#667
ajr_VOL said:
I'm new to the posting thing here. The question I have is what about the thief on the cross? Was he baptized? I to believe in baptism, but I do believe you can go to heaven without being water baptized. Jesus's blood covers all sin something water can't do
Click to expand...

Hello, thanks for replying and please post more.

The thief on the cross question, to me, has a simple answer. He was saved because Jesus said so. End of story. Jesus had that power. He even said so in Mark 2:10.

Actually to expound upon that, in that story there in mark 2, before Jesus healed the paralyzed man, He first forgave His sins. How did he do that? He simply said: your sins are forgiven. And whoooo boy that upset some of the Jews there. How could He do that? This paralyzed man was technically still under the law of Moses then. he should have made a sin offering. But did he? No. But were his sins forgiven? Absolutely. Why? Because Jesus said so.

Ok, but Jesus isn't physically here on earth anymore, so how can He tell us our sins are forgiven. Well, thankfully the Holy Spirit-inspired writers of the New Testament have left us instruction and teaching on how. And I believe it teaches us to have faith, to repent of our sins, to confess our belief, and to be baptized for the remission of our sins. As you said, washing away my sins has nothing to do with the water itself. It is all Jesus's sacrifice and God''s grace. But I believe the Bible teaches that obedience through faith, repentance, confession, and baptism are essential to salvation. Please read the verses posted earlier
 
Last edited:
#668
#668
Ace said:
The Bible does not teach that grace is accessed through Jesus' blood , confession or baptism.

Ephesians 2:8-9 says, For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourse!lves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Grace is accessed by faith alone in Christ alone.

True faith in Christ includes a turning from sin and self (repentance) and turning to and trust in the crucified and resurrected Savior.
Click to expand...


Hello Ace! Thanks for your thoughtful response, and especially for using Scripture. That is where the true answers rest. And I believe we can't take part of
It here and there and try to plant our feet in and say here are the only answers. I believe we have to look at it as a whole inspired work.

So, with that in mind, let me say to your passage you posted, I agree! We are saved through faith. Absolutely. Does it mention baptism there at all? Nope. It says we are saved through faith.

Ok, now look at 1 Peter 3:21, where it says baptism now saves us. Does it mention faith there? Nope. It says baptism now saves us. Does that discount what Ephesians said about faith? I don't think it does.

Ok, now mark 16:16, words directly from Jesus's mouth, after his death and resurrection: "He that believes and is baptized will be saved, but he that does not believe will
be condemned."
So what is Jesus saying here? Does one have to believe to be saved? Absolutely. Does one have to also be baptized? I can't argue with what Jesus spoke there. He said believes and is baptized.

Ok Acts 2:37-38:
Peter (who is under the power of the Holy Spirit from earlier in chapter 2) preaches the sermon on the Day of Pentecost. They are cut to the heart (faith). And they asked "what shall we do?!" So Peter preaches about Jesus, they have conviction in their heart(they have faith) and they want to know what to do about it...verse 38: "Then Peter said to them, repent and let everyone of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
So what were they to do? Repent and be baptized. Why? For the remission of their sins. Was repentance necessary? Peter, under the influence of The Holy Spirit says so. Was baptism necessary? Peter under the influence of The Holy Spirit says so.

We could talk about others. But to go back to my earlier point, I don't think we should pick one verse and make our stand on it. We should take the Bible, which I believe is God's Word, as a whole. What does it say saves us? Faith? Yes. Repentance? Yes. confession? (Romans 10:9-10, Matthew 10:32) yes. Baptism? Yes.

Again baptism without faith? Does nothing
Baptism without repentance? Does nothing.
Baptism without confession? Does nothing.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#669
#669
JacketVol said:
I have been baptized and it is an act of obedience and everything you said. However, it is not required for you to be saved. Sometimes, there just is no time. To be faithful and follow him then follow his commands. Be baptized but it is not a requirement of the free gift of salvation. It is ok to disagree. I have a degree in Bible though not my major and what I do for a living but that doesn't make me smarter than you or anyone else. But, I am not someone who has not studied for myself. I am glad that you have a passion for Christ and others and leading them to him is the main thing. God really can handle all the other stuff better than you and I and he really does know the heart. Keep the faith and Go Vols.

I hate to say it but I think he really loves the bammers too. Not sure about the real crazy ones but probably them as well. :)
Click to expand...


Well now don't go all crazy on me here ! We might have to share Heaven with bammers? Haha. Jk.

I hope I didn't come off as sounding haughty and self-righteous or insulting earlier. I really really really don't want to do that. As I said earlier, this is the most important thing we could discuss on here, and we need to look at what the Bible says about it. Not me. Not you. Not a preacher or teacher or parent. If on the Day of Judgment, we have failed to understand and live by the Bible's teachings, do you think an acceptable excuse will be, well my mama told me this or my preacher told me that? I don't think so. The Bible is there for all of us to study and live by.

But anyways, can God save someone without baptism? I am not one to limit God. He can do whatever He wants. He knows people's hearts. And He (technically Christ) will be the Judge. And in the end, I hope He will make the decision to save a lot of people who didn't believe baptism
Was essential. But all I have to go on are His teachings in the Bible. And from my understanding of it, it does teach that baptism is essential. It has nothing to do with earning it ourselves. It has nothing to do with the water itself. It is simply humbly submitting ourselves to God and what His Bible says to do. That's my take anyways.

Ok it is late, and I still have to work some overtime. A good
Discussion fellas (and ladies if there were some involved?). May God bless us all with an understanding and humble heart, willing to do His Will and shine His light.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#670
#670
Oh, one more thought in the faith only thing.

James 2 teaches that the demons believe. I believe it's in verse 19. The demons believe in Jesus. Some even confessed that He is the Son of God to His face in the gospels. Does that mean they are saved? I don't believe so.


Ok, now seriously, I have some work to do. Haha. Good night fellow Volunteers!
 
#671
#671
volssam said:
Thanks for your thoughts. This is the most important thing we could talk about on these boards, but also one of the most controversial. So thanks for offering your thoughts.

Please take a look at the verses i posted earlier in regards to baptism. To me, it is pretty clear that baptism is required. And Not baptism alone, mind you. Just getting baptized to get baptized will do nothing but get you wet. And it's not the act itself. There is no special power in the water. It's the obedient submission to God's Will that grants you access to the saving power of Jesus's blood.

It may seem silly to think an act like that is required by God. But it's not me saying it. I humbly ask you to pray for an open mind and heart and Read the Bible, specifically the passages I mentioned earlier.

To sorta relate the why of it to something in the OT: God, through Elisha, told Naaman how to get rid of his leprosy. He told him to go dip in the Jordan River seven times. Naaman got mad. "Why?! Why the Jordan River?! There are much better rivers than that one back where I come from!!". But then Someone put him in check. If he had been asked to do something great to be cured, would he not have done it? Of course he would. Then why not just do this simple act asked of him by the prophet of God. And so he did. Was he cleansed after he came up the first time? No. The fifth? Sixth? No. Only after he had obeyed God and dipped the seven times was he cleansed of his leprosy.

Similarly, Baptism may seem silly or seem only like a symbol and we as humans may question why and how that could get us into Christ. But again, just read the words there in the Bible. And just like with Naaman, It's such a simple act of obedience and submission to God and His Words. It's the repentance (also required per the the Scruptures) that's the hard part, if you ask me.
Click to expand...

The whole point is obediance. Mans downfall is his pride, "I don't understand it, the God I believe in wouldn't require it, so therefore it isn't integral to salvation."...That pretty sums up that doctrine. The thing is most don't even believe get the first part right.."REPENT and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins"...There is truth to the exception however..The thief on the cross, and a lot of sick people do the first part, but don't get the chance to do the second. My Daddy taught me like this..He is a merciful and just God. Repentance is not saying I'm sorry for my sins, it is the disavowal of sin as our ruler. Read Romans Ch 6. If you are still the same sinner you were, you are not under grace. The true miracle of the blood of Jesus is not forgiveness, it is the transformation..the putting off of the old man, and the putting on of the new. If you say sin still rules your life, then you are a unrepented sinner..humans still want to argue with God about his silly rules...just like they did in the garden..."Enter ye in at the strait gate, for strait is the way, and narrow is the gate that leadeth to everlasting life, and few there be that find it...For broad is the way and wide is the gate that leadeth unto destruction, and many there be who go in there at" How close does he mean for us to walk?.."For even hereunto were you called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example that we should walk in his steps, who did no sin, neither was any guile found in his mouth"...that's pretty narrow. That has to be our sincere mark. Don't excuse disobedience(sin)..Christ is my ruler now, not Satan.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#672
#672
ajr_VOL said:
volssam said:
Thanks for your thoughts. This is the most important thing we could talk about on these boards, but also one of the most controversial. So thanks for offering your thoughts.

Please take a look at the verses i posted earlier in regards to baptism. To me, it is pretty clear that baptism is required. And Not baptism alone, mind you. Just getting baptized to get baptized will do nothing but get you wet. And it's not the act itself. There is no special power in the water. It's the obedient submission to God's Will that grants you access to the saving power of Jesus's blood.

It may seem silly to think an act like that is required by God. But it's not me saying it. I humbly ask you to pray for an open mind and heart and Read the Bible, specifically the passages I mentioned earlier.

To sorta relate the why of it to something in the OT: God, through Elisha, told Naaman how to get rid of his leprosy. He told him to go dip in the Jordan River seven times. Naaman got mad. "Why?! Why the Jordan River?! There are much better rivers than that one back where I come from!!". But then Someone put him in check. If he had been asked to do something great to be cured, would he not have done it? Of course he would. Then why not just do this simple act asked of him by the prophet of God. And so he did. Was he cleansed after he came up the first time? No. The fifth? Sixth? No. Only after he had obeyed God and dipped the seven times was he cleansed of his leprosy.

Similarly, Baptism may seem silly or seem only like a symbol and we as humans may question why and how that could get us into Christ. But again, just read the words there in the Bible. And just like with Naaman, It's such a simple act of obedience and submission to God and His Words. It's the repentance (also required per the the Scruptures) that's the hard part, if you ask me.

I'm new to the posting thing here. The question I have is what about the thief on the cross? Was he baptized? I to believe in baptism, but I do believe you can go to heaven without being water baptized. Jesus's blood covers all sin something water can't do
Click to expand...

Welcome to the board.

To add one point on to what volssam posted above, which I believe to be an accurate statement...the thief died on the cross under the old law. The New Testament (Jesus' law) could not take effect until the testator of the testament (Jesus) died...Hebrews 9:15-17. Therefore, when Jesus forgave the thief of his sins, baptism was still not a requirement for obedience. And also, Jesus is deity, and has the power to forgive sins. Hope this helps. Post more often.
Click to expand...
 
#673
#673
volssam said:
Oh, one more thought in the faith only thing.

James 2 teaches that the demons believe. I believe it's in verse 19. The demons believe in Jesus. Some even confessed that He is the Son of God to His face in the gospels. Does that mean they are saved? I don't believe so.


Ok, now seriously, I have some work to do. Haha. Good night fellow Volunteers!
Click to expand...


The demons probably don't repent and ask to be saved. Not being a smart but this example has nothing to do with what any of us was saying. God is the same every day and Jesus has the power to save on a deathbed without a chance at baptism. Your replies have been fine. No need to apologize.
 
#674
#674
Ulysees E. McGill said:
The whole point is obediance. Mans downfall is his pride, "I don't understand it, the God I believe in wouldn't require it, so therefore it isn't integral to salvation."...That pretty sums up that doctrine. The thing is most don't even believe get the first part right.."REPENT and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins"...There is truth to the exception however..The thief on the cross, and a lot of sick people do the first part, but don't get the chance to do the second. My Daddy taught me like this..He is a merciful and just God. Repentance is not saying I'm sorry for my sins, it is the disavowal of sin as our ruler. Read Romans Ch 6. If you are still the same sinner you were, you are not under grace. The true miracle of the blood of Jesus is not forgiveness, it is the transformation..the putting off of the old man, and the putting on of the new. If you say sin still rules your life, then you are a unrepented sinner..humans still want to argue with God about his silly rules...just like they did in the garden..."Enter ye in at the strait gate, for strait is the way, and narrow is the gate that leadeth to everlasting life, and few there be that find it...For broad is the way and wide is the gate that leadeth unto destruction, and many there be who go in there at" How close does he mean for us to walk?.."For even hereunto were you called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example that we should walk in his steps, who did no sin, neither was any guile found in his mouth"...that's pretty narrow. That has to be our sincere mark. Don't excuse disobedience(sin)..Christ is my ruler now, not Satan.
Click to expand...

This is good stuff.
 
#675
#675
JacketVol said:
The demons probably don't repent and ask to be saved. Not being a smart but this example has nothing to do with what any of us was saying. God is the same every day and Jesus has the power to save on a deathbed without a chance at baptism. Your replies have been fine. No need to apologize.
Click to expand...

Jacket, can I ask one simple question on this subject of the requirement of baptism to be saved? Before I ask, I will say that God is the final judge on ALL things, so as for that person on his/her deathbed, He will judge. Personally, I believe there is plenty of water anywhere in this world and if someone is truly repentant and knows the necessity of obedience, then those involved (family, friends) will get that person to a body of water that's big enough to baptize them...even a big bathtub or small pool or something deep enough to go under.

Why does every single conversion to Christianity in the NT involve baptism for the removal/washing away of sins? Look at Saul's conversion in Acts 9 and 22...when Jesus blinded him on the road to Damascus, Saul/Paul was all ears and obeyed Jesus' command to go to the city and meet Ananias. He surely appeared to be repentant and understand he was doing wrong by persecuting the Christians. Why wasn't it good enough at that point to just believe and repent? Why did Ananias say, "And why tarriest though? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

The same can be said in Acts 2:38. When the Jews asked Peter what must they do to be saved from their wicked act of putting Jesus on the cross, Peter answered to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. Why didn't he just say all they needed to do was repent and believe in Jesus? I believe the scriptures are clear that it's because you have to do those things as well as be baptized. We put ourselves in danger by just choosing certain verses to believe and follow...we have to use the whole law, just like Israel had to follow the whole law in the OT.
 
New posts
Status
Not open for further replies.
Advertisement



Back
Top