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But honestly politics have been a joke for a long time. Trump is the first candidate to actually treat it like one. I think that's refreshing to a lot of people.

Unfortunately he's causing some serious hate to rise to the surface of both the people that support him and the people that oppose him.

I could see this taking our country down a super dark path.

But oh well. It is what it is.

Gods plan is always in motion.
 
I'm curious about what excites you so much about Trump. I'm not trying to be a jerk. Just want to know. He genuinely gives me the feeling that he would lead our country into the next civil war.

That might happen regardless of who wins though. Who knows.

I don't know that I'm right about Trump. I don't know squat honestly.

I'm just curious about what you hope for Trump to accomplish if he becomes president.

Are you rooting for anarchy? Are you just looking for something different? Does he really inspire you?

Sure. This is straight from his website.

1) https://www.donaldjtrump.com/issues

2) https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

For a long time I disliked trump. Then I looked up some things on my own. "Wait.. Why do I even hate him?" Went to his website and read his goals, ended up agreeing on almost all of them. I didn't realize how the media bias was subconsciously making me dislike him, and I think that's what's happening especially on Facebook/Twitter with all the anti Donald shares. No one can really even state a reason why they dislike him. All everyone keeps saying over and over again is he's a "racist" he's "sexist" he's "dangerous" but no one can say why. Look, the guy is smart. He makes GOOD deals. If anyone can turn the economy around, it is Trump. Sure he's rough around the edges and can be a bit loud and maybe even a tad rude sometimes. But he's saying what most of us are thinking. The insane PC movement recently has made me realize that we can't get soft right now. We need a tough leader. JMOIMOTIFWIW...
 
Sure. This is straight from his website.

1) https://www.donaldjtrump.com/issues

2) https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

For a long time I disliked trump. Then I looked up some things on my own. "Wait.. Why do I even hate him?" Went to his website and read his goals, ended up agreeing on almost all of them. I didn't realize how the media bias was subconsciously making me dislike him, and I think that's what's happening especially on Facebook/Twitter with all the anti Donald shares. No one can really even state a reason why they dislike him. All everyone keeps saying over and over again is he's a "racist" he's "sexist" he's "dangerous" but no one can say why. Look, the guy is smart. He makes GOOD deals. If anyone can turn the economy around, it is Trump. Sure he's rough around the edges and can be a bit loud and maybe even a tad rude sometimes. But he's saying what most of us are thinking. The insane PC movement recently has made me realize that we can't get soft right now. We need a tough leader. JMOIMOTIFWIW...

I can respect that.

I was super anti-Trump initially too. I've since kind of softened on that stance. Although I won't support or vote for him under any means.

At this point, it's not really Trump that scares me, it's what he represents. The backlash to a Trump presidency scares me. The defiant defenders of the right to use hateful language flippantly scares me. The idea of immigrants being this problem in America that needs to be dealt with scares me.

I'm not even sure that's Trump though. But he's definitely stirring those feelings up in the folks who believe in that.

I get the frustration with the PC movement in America. But mostly those are misguided people who are trying to force change for the better. Those people are trying to create a more welcoming and warm culture in our country. But most are too extreme in their reactions against anything that's not PC. And they are accomplishing the exact opposite of what they set out to do.

Make America Great again? When was America Great though?

Was it ever really great? Or did we all just choose to believe that until the shine wore off and the Internet exposed the bs?

I don't know. But this reach back of nostalgia about some other wonderful and naive time in our history just kind of rubs me the wrong way. I want to move forward into the future with my eyes wide open. I want to embrace change and progress. I don't want to turn back the clock to some "white ideal"... which I know isn't the plan, but it's how his supporters typically come across when trying to explain this.

Trump is entertaining as hell though. The only candidate that even slightly inspired me was Rand Paul, but the media made sure to bury him before he ever got the chance. Trump had a lot to do with that too by taking every opportunity in the debates to turn the conversations away from anything real into playground level jabs. Nobody had a shot that didn't stoop to his level.

But whatever. This is a long ramble. I don't know anything. It's certainly out of my hands and I'm okay with that.
 
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Trump is either a xenophobic, racist, sexist ******* with no rational plans to "make America great again" or he's a lying opportunist, pandering to a disenfranchised, angry base.

Either way, he would be bad for America

He's the latter for sure. He saw how pitiful the GOP field is, knew he could capitalize on it, and has pandered to the angry ignorant portion of the far right perfectly.
 
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Yeah I mean everything that's come out of his mouth up to this point sounds like nonsense to me, yet his allegiance continues to grow stronger. I can't imagine this particular mishap will play out much different.

It's bizarre how you can hear him say something nonsensical and stupid, then throngs of people respond with cheers. It makes me question reality sometimes, or at least my grasp of language. How can that combination of words lead to people cheering for him and supporting him?
 
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It's bizarre how you can hear him say something nonsensical and stupid, then throngs of people respond with cheers. It makes me question reality sometimes, or at least my grasp of language. How can that combination of words lead to people cheering for him and supporting him?

It's got to be one of the most baffling things I've ever lived to see.
 
I can respect that.

I was super anti-Trump initially too. I've since kind of softened on that stance. Although I won't support or vote for him under any means.

At this point, it's not really Trump that scares me, it's what he represents. The backlash to a Trump presidency scares me. The defiant defenders of the right to use hateful language flippantly scares me. The idea of immigrants being this problem in America that needs to be dealt with scares me.

I'm not even sure that's Trump though. But he's definitely stirring those feelings up in the folks who believe in that.

I get the frustration with the PC movement in America. But mostly those are misguided people who are trying to force change for the better. Those people are trying to create a more welcoming and warm culture in our country. But most are too extreme in their reactions against anything that's not PC. And they are accomplishing the exact opposite of what they set out to do.

Make America Great again? When was America Great though?

Was it ever really great? Or did we all just choose to believe that until the shine wore off and the Internet exposed the bs?

I don't know. But this reach back of nostalgia about some other wonderful and naive time in our history just kind of rubs me the wrong way. I want to move forward into the future with my eyes wide open. I want to embrace change and progress. I don't want to turn back the clock to some "white ideal"... which I know isn't the plan, but it's how his supporters typically come across when trying to explain this.

Trump is entertaining as hell though. The only candidate that even slightly inspired me was Rand Paul, but the media made sure to bury him before he ever got the chance. Trump had a lot to do with that too by taking every opportunity in the debates to turn the conversations away from anything real into playground level jabs. Nobody had a shot that didn't stoop to his level.

But whatever. This is a long ramble. I don't know anything. It's certainly out of my hands and I'm okay with that.

Your 'long ramble' sounds like the thoughts bouncing around in my head...it seems somehow he brings out meanness and judgemental-ness (I think I made that word up :)). I remember my dad always saying "judge not, lest ye so be judged" yet it seems both sides are judging; and finding those they judge less than human and deserving of punishment. It saddens me.
 
God has this to say about harming an unborn child:

22 "When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, - Exodus 21:22-23

I know this will be unpopular here, but based on this, punishment for the woman and even the person who performs the abortion is very fitting.
Unless they're in the belly of canaanite women living in Jericho, Ai, Gilgal, Gibeon, etc.

Then they're both fair game.
 
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SeaofOrange I think there is a significant portion of the white population who have lived their lives without prejudice that have been attacked the last decade as racist for simply being white and their sick of it. PC culture is the reason for push back and a candidate who pushes back publicly is attractive to them.

Trump is not racist and that narrative is inaccurate. When Trump has to face inaccurate headlines for every single story, it pulls more and more people to him. People don't trust the media anymore, nor should they. Trump is indirectly exposing how terrible it really is. News channels are still talking about the dumbass reporter ffs. I was petrified of Trump, like you, but now I'm not so against him.

I will always be against Bernie though.
 
Unless they're in the belly of canaanite women living in Jericho, Ai, Gilgal, Gibeon, etc.

Then they're both fair game.

Its common sense that punishment should be given to someone who did something illegal. That isn't ground breaking. The notion that it is, is offensive to everyone's intelligence. Unless I'm reading it wrong.
 
Donald is full of crap. He was losing Wisconsin before Matthews' interview. That's not the cause of his slide, but it's certainly not going to help. I think it's funny because he actually has spent a lifetime defending even partial birth abortion and then tried to pander to what he thought his base wanted to hear in an interview before realizing that literally no one in the anti abortion movement seriously advocates punishing women as a policy. The common thinking is to punish the abortion mills and their "doctors" who profit from infanticide. Winging it doesn't always work out when you get pinned down. His schtick is wearing thin. If you believe for five seconds that Don is going to oppose abortion in real life then I have some steaks to sell you from Sharper Image.
 
Donald is full of crap. He was losing Wisconsin before Matthews' interview. That's not the cause of his slide, but it's certainly not going to help. I think it's funny because he actually has spent a lifetime defending even partial birth abortion and then tried to pander to what he thought his base wanted to hear in an interview before realizing that literally no one in the anti abortion movement seriously advocates punishing women as a policy. The common thinking is to punish the abortion mills and their "doctors" who profit from infanticide. Winging it doesn't always work out when you get pinned down. His schtick is wearing thin. If you believe for five seconds that Don is going to oppose abortion in real life then I have some steaks to sell you from Sharper Image.

Trump says whatever he thinks will get him elected. He has no conviction to any of it. He has no intention of following through with it. He's an entertainer pure and simple. If he's elected he'll do backroom deals with Dems, Republicans, socialist, communist, the mob, whomever that will benefit Donald Trump. If that happens to line up with what is good for America then that's just icing on the cake for him. He's a con artist that has a huge portion of the American public completely under his spell.
 
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As an intellectual discussion...

If the position is taken that abortion is murder and therefore wrong, why wouldn't the woman be punished? Why only the doctor?

In a standard murder case, if two people are involved in killing someone, then they're both charged, right?

I'm staunchly pro-life, and I think abortion is absolutely wrong and is murder and is morally despicable. If you've been following this thread very long, you know I am very anti-Trump, but I don't understand why what Trump said in this case is inconsistent with the pro-life movement. Now does he really believe what he said? Probably not. But that's for him to decide and stand behind and live out.
 
That is one thing that bugs me about many who say they are pro-life. They say they think abortion is wrong but then say "it is ok in the case of rape or incest or life of the mother".... But how is that consistent with the principle behind being pro-life?

Either abortion is murder or it isn't. Either it's morally bad or it isn't. Either the baby is alive or it isn't. The preciousness of the life inside the mother doesn't change with the situation.

Are some situations terrible and sickening? Yes of course. But is the baby responsible for those wicked choices? Of course not. Then why should they be punished with the loss of their life (again, if you take the position that the baby is a human)? Anyways those are my thoughts.
 
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Unless they're in the belly of canaanite women living in Jericho, Ai, Gilgal, Gibeon, etc.

Then they're both fair game.

If you're going to go down that path, you have to admit that the Potter has the right to smash his own pots that he made, especially if they have rebelled against him; but no one has the right to smash the pots made by the potter unless he tells them to.
 
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Zingers flying all over this thread.


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Unless they're in the belly of canaanite women living in Jericho, Ai, Gilgal, Gibeon, etc.

Then they're both fair game.

When making a jab it is best to keep your jaw protected.

jave and 88 handled this. But your inference is rooted in your hatred of God, since you respond this way frequently when the subject drifts that direction. That means you have set yourself up as the authority of a subject you do not believe in. Which is pointless.


The poor pitiful Canaanites you refer to:

The Ignorant Fishermen Blog: Baalism's Suicidal Nature Worship and Sexual Decadence

"This pagan nature worship was purposefully described with such graphic sexual language precisely because cult prostitution and sexual mysticism was a big part of the nature worship process. Sexual fertility cults and the desire for a corresponding agricultural fertility were weaved together into a pornographic nature worship scheme that corrupted the entire nation and its people. Throughout Israel’s and Judah’s history, this deviant and natural instinctual behavior, in great contrast to the dictates of the Mosaic Law, was most often associated with the worship of the nature god Baal. Baal was the god of grain and the god of thunder. He was in fact the weather god. The name Baal itself simply means ‘lord.’ Thus, as the tribal lord of the people and the land, Baal was not only often confused with the ‘Lord’ of the Old Testament, but he was also in charge of agricultural fertility and the weather.

However, Baal was not all powerful like the Hebrew God. On the contrary, he was forced each and every year to have a life and death struggle with the god of death, Mot, reflecting the fate of the seasons. Baal dies every summer under the excessive heat and drought. Baal however, with the help of sexual and bloody rituals, comes back to life to defeat Mot for the cooler autumn weather and the fall rain. Thus the chaotic weather was blamed on the struggle between Baal and Mot, which could only be pacified through cultic prostitution on the one hand and strict asceticism on the other. Thus, in addition to sexual abandon, the worship of Baal also incorporated harsh ascetic practices into their nature worship as well. Ecstatic pleasure and bloody pain were used to propitiate the nature gods for the sake of fair weather (1 Kings 18:25-29). Thus, Baal nature worship was completely indulgent with regard to sexual mysticism on the one hand, but overly strict, harsh, and severe on the other hand with regard to ascetic practices, with occasional bouts of human sacrifice along the way (2 Kings 17:28-41). Worst of all is that much energy and riches were spent in the promotion and practice of the cult. Israel wasted its wealth and activities on the worship of Baal, which eventually led to the nation’s downfall."

Yep - real fine folks those Canaanites.
 
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That is one thing that bugs me about many who say they are pro-life. They say they think abortion is wrong but then say "it is ok in the case of rape or incest or life of the mother".... But how is that consistent with the principle behind being pro-life?

Either abortion is murder or it isn't. Either it's morally bad or it isn't. Either the baby is alive or it isn't. The preciousness of the life inside the mother doesn't change with the situation.

Are some situations terrible and sickening? Yes of course. But is the baby responsible for those wicked choices? Of course not. Then why should they be punished with the loss of their life (again, if you take the position that the baby is a human)? Anyways those are my thoughts.

Thoughts that I agree with completely.

Taking it a step farther as it applies to politicians. IMO the politician that allows the exception, but supports the overall pro-life position is either being pragmatic or is not fully vested into pro-life and is using it to attract voters. If the former they should state they are being that way with the intention of taking it the distance at some point. If the later then you can assume they will blow with the wind because they really do not grasp (or want to grasp) the fact that the unborn baby is a person with the same rights as everybody else.
 
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Policywise I'm pro choice. No question about that. With that choice, I will not step foot in a clinic for that purpose. Thats my choice. Jmo
 
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That is one thing that bugs me about many who say they are pro-life. They say they think abortion is wrong but then say "it is ok in the case of rape or incest or life of the mother".... But how is that consistent with the principle behind being pro-life?

Either abortion is murder or it isn't. Either it's morally bad or it isn't. Either the baby is alive or it isn't. The preciousness of the life inside the mother doesn't change with the situation.

Are some situations terrible and sickening? Yes of course. But is the baby responsible for those wicked choices? Of course not. Then why should they be punished with the loss of their life (again, if you take the position that the baby is a human)? Anyways those are my thoughts.


I get what you're saying, but I also have a hard time judging someone who has an abdominal pregnancy rupture before a survivable term. Under a no exemption view you'd necessarily have to allow the mother to bleed to death and die only to precognizantly also have their underdeveloped baby die three minutes later. It's a complicated issue. Also, the pro-life movement as an organized movement is about changing hearts and minds to voluntarily reduce and hopefully largely eliminate abortion. There is almost 0 % chance of abortion ever being illegal by law thanks to an un-Constitutional decision by the Supreme Court in Roe v Wade. Because of that all we can do is try and convince people to choose to not do it while simultaneously putting pressure on abortion mills though both public scrutiny and through local, state, and federal restrictions designed to regulate practices and prevent people like Kermit Gosnell from practicing at all.
 
I get what you're saying, but I also have a hard time judging someone who has an abdominal pregnancy rupture before a survivable term. Under a no exemption view you'd necessarily have to allow the mother to bleed to death and die only to precognizantly also have their underdeveloped baby die three minutes later. It's a complicated issue. Also, the pro-life movement as an organized movement is about changing hearts and minds to voluntarily reduce and hopefully largely eliminate abortion. There is almost 0 % chance of abortion ever being illegal by law thanks to an un-Constitutional decision by the Supreme Court in Roe v Wade. Because of that all we can do is try and convince people to choose to not do it while simultaneously putting pressure on abortion mills though both public scrutiny and through local, state, and federal restrictions designed to regulate practices and prevent people like Kermit Gosnell from practicing at all.

I agree, it is difficult in a small number of cases. The conceived child is totally dependent upon the mother for survival at the stage you describe. As the Word teaches, life is in the blood. There is no child survival without the mother's survival. All alternatives must be considered, not just an automatic decision to abort. However, in the end you take the action necessary for the mother to survive if there is no other way. The Lord is merciful and just. The child is in his care and the mother did not commit a sin IMO. Her sorrow is felt and understood by her savior. Sometimes there are no perfect answers in this world.

I also agree that within our society that it will be a slow squeeze in significantly reducing abortions. But it is a worthy cause to do so. The anti-God crowd love to throw out "it's science" when it works in their favor. Well science is proving what the believer has known instinctively and from the reading of the Word for thousands of years about life in the womb.
 
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He's the latter for sure. He saw how pitiful the GOP field is, knew he could capitalize on it, and has pandered to the angry ignorant portion of the far right perfectly.

I am very far right. I am angry. I still do not like Trump.
 
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