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edyeary said:
Where are they filming?????
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From what I understand they will be filming some in Harlan, but also in other places in the mountains. I heard that they requested to film some scenes in the Harlan county courthouse, and the authorities turned them down because of the way Appalachian Kentucky has been portrayed in Hollywood in shows like Justified. The thing is..It ain't far from the truth.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
What happened?
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Not my fight any more as we left the denomination, so I may be a little more blunt. It is primarily relating to the potential approval of practicing homosexual ministers and ministerial support of that group of people as it pertains to marriage. The UMC Book of Discipline prohibited it in the past.

It has been delegates primarily from Africa and more conservative areas of the U. S. that have held this off in the past. Some elements of UMC leadership have tried to limit the number of delegates and leadership from Africa as a result. That region of the world represents some of the fastest growing memberships, while U. S. membership continues to decline. They even chose to decline two new Bishop positions in Africa that they more than have earned.

In summary, a potential denominational split is at risk.
 
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Here we go. Why did Jesus never directly speak of homosexuality? Paul talks about it, but what you have to understand is Paul is referencing shrine cult temple prostitution and practices, NOT loving committed same-sex relationships.

Romans 1 is not talking about same-sex fidelity. It is talking about idolatry, promiscuity and prostitution, particularly in conjunction with religious practices, which is of course also condemned for heterosexuals.

Paul uses Arsenokoitai in 1 Corinthians and Timothy for the word translated as homosexual (not a common word until the late 1800s. It wasn’t even in the original KJV). Arsenokoitai refers to cult male temple prostitutes just as Leviticus referenced. In fact the Greek words Arseno Koiten are the Greek translation of the Hebrew words from the Old Testament.

Leviticus 18:22 - meta arsenos ou koimethese koiten gunaikos Leviticus 20:13 - hos an koimethe meta arsenos koiten gunaikos

Philo the philosopher, 20 BC - AD 40 held if the prohibitions of the Levitical Holiness Code informed its meaning, 'arsenos koiten' condemns shrine prostitution. Again, not loving committed same sex relationships.

Here's what's most important. If Paul wanted to condemn gays in general he would likely use other words more common to Romans and Greeks. But, he purposely uses a word or words Hebrew scholars of the time would know directly cross connects to the same religious cultish practice as the Old Testament condemned. As such, that condemnation is very limited and narrowed to a specific sexual cultish act done as a form of worship to a cult god in the confines of a cult temple. It has absolutely nothing to do with loving same gender relationships or even of anyone non-sexual but still gay.

Trying to use the bible to debase and dehumanize homosexuality is also against Jesus greatest commandments. Remember those? Matthew 22:36:

“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”


What say you VolNation?
 
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I'm in favor of freedom to live however you want. That includes my freedom to acknowledge that homosexuality is indeed a sin. People here are free to be gay without being tossed from tall buildings and other people are free to think it's a forbidden sin without being sued by Obama or killed by a deranged leftist gunman who hates chic-fil-a.
 
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Skullbone said:
I'm in favor of freedom to live however you want. That includes my freedom to acknowledge that homosexuality is indeed a sin. People here are free to be gay without being tossed from tall buildings and other people are free to think it's a forbidden sin without being sued by Obama or killed by a deranged leftist gunman who hates chic-fil-a.
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I acknowledge your freedom to feel that way. We are all sinners from what I have been told.
 
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Skullbone said:
I'm in favor of freedom to live however you want. That includes my freedom to acknowledge that homosexuality is indeed a sin. People here are free to be gay without being tossed from tall buildings and other people are free to think it's a forbidden sin without being sued by Obama or killed by a deranged leftist gunman who hates chic-fil-a.
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Playing devils advocate, how do you know it's indeed a sin?
 
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apparently if you are not married any intercourse is a sin, now if you are married in the eyes of God, there in lies the rub.
 
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It's also a sin to look at a person with lust, according to Jesus it is the same as adultery. I'm going to hell
 
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Catbone said:
It's also a sin to look at a person with lust, according to the bible it is the same as adultery. I'm going to hell
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Yes it is. We're supposed to recognize it as such, repent, and try to deny our own wicked hearts as much as possible going forward. This whole movement where people try and de-sin all the sins because a lot of decent people understandably commit sin is an abomination. We all sin. A lot. That doesn't make them not sins. Without our repentance and the grace of Jesus Christ we are all doomed to the second death for " no man is righteous, no not one." We can't judge the fate of each other's souls, but likewise we shouldn't pretend that God's view of what is and isn't sinful changes with the times to fit our comfort level or pleasure. If you don't believe that then that's your business. I do, and I don't want to be persecuted for it.
 
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Christian women should dress like muslim women then I guess, if they want to help us men out.
 
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Catbone said:
Playing devils advocate, how do you know it's indeed a sin?
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Despite your analysis presented earlier on the subject I believe the Bible does indeed clearly indicate homosexuality is a sin. I do not believe the Bible meant homosexuality was okay but only the cultish ritual sex was wrong. That's definitely wrong too, but I know a few Biblical scholars who I trust and none of them would agree to that. None. It's just like someone who reads the Constitution and then tells me that it says we shouldn't be allowed to own most guns somehow. I have to disagree.
 
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Do what you want. After all that's what mankind is best at. We can justify anything. The closer we get to the end, the more heresy will grow. This is no mystery. If any of you ever wondered how so many will be deceived...just look at the posts. Paul said in Thessalonians "And the mystery of iniquity doth already work: Only he who now letteth, will let until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the brightness of his coming. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. And with all deceivableness if un righteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness"...People are deceivable because they have pleasure in sin. Anything that tells them that it is ok to continue in sin sounds great to them...Gods righteousness is a joke to them. Now we are proclaimed evil and immoral because we agree with God that it is abomination. Churches that left off following the word a long time ago, are falling in line with this heresy one after another.
 
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Skullbone said:
Yes it is. We're supposed to recognize it as such, repent, and try to deny our own wicked hearts as much as possible going forward. This whole movement where people try and de-sin all the sins because a lot of decent people understandably commit sin is an abomination. We all sin. A lot. That doesn't make them not sins. Without our repentance and the grace of Jesus Christ we are all doomed to the second death for " no man is righteous, no not one." We can't judge the fate of each other's souls, but likewise we shouldn't pretend that God's view of what is and isn't sinful changes with the times to fit our comfort level or pleasure. If you don't believe that then that's your business. I do, and I don't want to be persecuted for it.
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Skullbone said:
Despite your analysis presented earlier on the subject I believe the Bible does indeed clearly indicate homosexuality is a sin. I do not believe the Bible meant homosexuality was okay but only the cultish ritual sex was wrong. That's definitely wrong too, but I know a few Biblical scholars who I trust and none of them would agree to that. None. It's just like someone who reads the Constitution and then tells me that it says we shouldn't be allowed to own most guns somehow. I have to disagree.
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Do what you want. After all that's what mankind is best at. We can justify anything. The closer we get to the end, the more heresy will grow. This is no mystery. If any of you ever wondered how so many will be deceived...just look at the posts. Paul said in Thessalonians "And the mystery of iniquity doth already work: Only he who now letteth, will let until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the brightness of his coming. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. And with all deceivableness if un righteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness"...People are deceivable because they have pleasure in sin. Anything that tells them that it is ok to continue in sin sounds great to them...Gods righteousness is a joke to them. Now we are proclaimed evil and immoral because we agree with God that it is abomination. Churches that left off following the word a long time ago, are falling in line with this heresy one after another.
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Spot on. :hi:
 
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One more comment on this subject. My wife and I facilitate DivorceCare and GriefShare support groups. From all the pain, the loneliness, and the disrupted lives comes hope that originates from one place - Jesus Christ. Full recovery from the junk of life that affects every single human being is contingent upon acceptance of him and leaving sin in the rear view mirror.

Death came into this world from all mankind's choice of rebellion over obedience. We simply did not love the Lord and his ways enough to obey. The Lord created us, gave instructions on how we should live, died for us to redeem us from sin, and rose again to life to conquer death once and for all for those who accept the free gift. But it is not for those who do not accept him as Lord and Savior, that rebel from him and go a different way. It's not much of a reach to understand that obedience is a by-product as well as characteristic of somebody that has accepted Christ as their personal savior. In so doing we acknowledge that personal rebellion leads to sin, which is not acceptable to God. Since I am a sold out believer, I find it easy to understand what is sinful since Jesus set the standard, but Moses, Abraham, David, the prophets, the Apostles, the disciples, etc. before me helped define it all. It's all right there for me to read as well as to observe in others.

Yes, participating in homosexuality is a sin. Supporting homosexuality as a practice is sin. The Bible clearly states it is an abomination. If you do not accept Moses, Paul, etc. - how and why do you claim to accept Jesus? They are each God's children as believers. Jesus is of God as part of the Holy Trinity. God used Moses, Jesus used Paul. They were chosen - they did not choose. Jesus states all who believe and accept are his brothers and sisters, and those coming after him would do even greater works than him. We are members of his family when we accept. He said he came not to abolish one letter of the law of the prophets, but to fulfill the law. So if we look to Jesus' words; and it is asserted he supposedly said nothing about homosexuality; well, he handpicked Paul to be a major force in delivering his message to the entire world. So what Paul says - goes.

That being said, the clincher for me and many of us is that God told Moses to write things down. Those things are fundamental principles of Jewish, Christian and Islamic believers everywhere. He stated and Moses wrote that marriage is between a man and a woman. He stated any sex outside of marriage is fornication or adultery, which is defined as sin. How hard is that to understand? To not believe it is confirmation that the person is not practicing the principles of the faith and may indeed be lost. Which is why people rebel against it.
 
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