Recruiting Forum Off-Topic Thread II

[jjay2518]

Dude The Drowned God is where it's at. What is dead my never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.

Many-faced god ftw

 

[RikidyBones]

Many-faced god ftw

Many faced God is a bad ass. No doubt.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Okay

Jesus in the New Testament wouldn't torture Job in a contest with Lucifer...

New Testament is forgive and forget

Old Testament is an Eye for an Eye.

We can disagree and both still be correct in our views. There is much more than one way to interpret the Bible.

Respectfully disagree. The apostles were persecuted and tortured. Based on history, all of them died via execution for the sake of the gospel, except John. Jesus was tortured. God didn't torture them...Satan indirectly did, just like he was the one directly responsible for Job. God does not tempt anyone (James 1:13), nor does he know evil.

Pertaining to your last statement:
Jesus says in John 14:6 "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father, except through me." A few verses later in verse 15 He says that "if you love me, keep my commandments." Based on this, there is only one way and to be part of that way, you must keep His commandments. This tells me that it's not possible to disagree and both be correct.

Doc, all of this is said out of respect, just so you know. :hi:

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Respectfully disagree. The apostles were persecuted and tortured. Based on history, all of them died via execution for the sake of the gospel, except John. Jesus was tortured. God didn't torture them...Satan indirectly did, just like he was the one directly responsible for Job. God does not tempt anyone (James 1:13), nor does he know evil.

Pertaining to your last statement:
Jesus says in John 14:6 "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father, except through me." A few verses later in verse 15 He says that "if you love me, keep my commandments." Based on this, there is only one way and to be part of that way, you must keep His commandments. This tells me that it's not possible to disagree and both be correct.

Doc, all of this is said out of respect, just so you know. :hi:

No worries
Not gonna argue
The Bible is so broad and diverse... Does it really matter what road we take or how we each interpret the verses as long as we arrive at the same place?

You have your interpretation and I have mine. I would defend your right to your own interpretation to the death. :hi:

 

[Catbone]

Just some random questions that always are on my mind...

Do tribes in Africa who never hear about Jesus go to hell?

The bible says looking at someone with lust is the same thing as adultery right? I'm guilty of that all the time.

Do some of you guys really only think Earth is only about 6000 years old like the Bible would have us believe? (This assumes that the Genesis account is accurate, that the six days of creation were literal 24-hour periods, and that there were no ambiguous gaps in the chronology of Genesis)

If I am driving and I take the Lord's name in vain right before I crash and die, do I go to hell for not repenting?

 

[Dust10]

just some random questions that always are on my mind...

Do tribes in africa who never hear about jesus go to hell?

I wonder how many of these tribes there actually are these days?

the bible says looking at someone with lust is the same thing as adultery right? I'm guilty of that all the time.

Also guilty. That's why i ask for forgiveness for my sins.

do some of you guys really only think earth is only about 6000 years old like the bible would have us believe? (this assumes that the genesis account is accurate, that the six days of creation were literal 24-hour periods, and that there were no ambiguous gaps in the chronology of genesis)

Not a chance. Anyone who truly believes the earth is 6,000 years old is akin to believing the earth is flat in my eyes.

if i am driving and i take the lord's name in vain right before i crash and die, do i go to hell for not repenting?

I would say no because i do not believe God is constantly updating my salvation status based on whether or not i have repented yet.

jmo

 

[volssam]

jmo

On the tribes who have never heard about Jesus...check Romans 2:11-16

Ok the age of the earth...my thoughts/opinions are shaped by the Bible. Therefore, yes I believe the earth is only a few thousand years old. I have heard teaching of somewhere between 6,000-11,000 years old. I would be closer to the 6,000 side

Sorry dust10, I guess you'll have to see me as a flat-earther. Haha. To me, you either believe in the Bible or you don't. I don't understand the in-between people who say they believe in the Bible but then disagree with part of it.

If someone has a problem with the science/age issues, 1) the science of carbon dating is so sketchy and not dependable. And 2) and most importantly, In Genesis, God created a mature earth and universe.

He didn't put Adam and Eve on earth with no trees or with just little saplings or just with seeds and have them grow what they needed. He created trees on day 3, fully grown trees and probably everything in between, young and old. The earth was mature, and then He made stars on day 4. They were there in the sky/space. A mature and present universe

I guess, to me, it comes down to faith and belief.

 

[volssam]

If one does truly believe in the Bible but then buys into the millions/billions/trillions years old, where is the missing time?

I have heard, as Catbone mentioned, the days of creation being longer than 24 hour periods.

I personally don't believe that myself. To me, it kinda diminishes or belittles the power of God to go with that. But I suppose the human side of me might could understand a little bit how one could view it that way. But other than that, where is the missing time?

 

[Dust10]

I'm just not a fan of the God v. Science battle. To me, science is a gift from God to discover how He created the Earth.

We just have to remember that Genesis was written by a human being. Therefore its not a stretch for me to believe the "7 days" is actually allegorical for the readers to understand as opposed to "billions of years," which is more difficult to comprehend.

Why are the life and death of dinosaurs not mentioned in Genesis? Do you believe they never existed? Surely the answer is not no.

 

[itsme]

If one does truly believe in the Bible but then buys into the millions/billions/trillions years old, where is the missing time?

I have heard, as Catbone mentioned, the days of creation being longer than 24 hour periods.

I personally don't believe that myself. To me, it kinda diminishes or belittles the power of God to go with that. But I suppose the human side of me might could understand a little bit how one could view it that way. But other than that, where is the missing time?

This is strictly an opinion and I'm pretty sure that what I am about to say would be considered a no no within the church today.

I think it is a posibliity that there is Heaven, Eden and Earth. Heaven being God's kingdom and realm. Eden being a place of a Heaven on Earth and Earth, where we reside. With 3 different timelines and timeframes.


2 Peter 3:8New Living Translation (NLT)

8 But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day.

I think there is a possibility that time on Earth was at a different speed that what it was in Eden, considering that Adam would walk and talk with God while in Eden. How many days did he have a conversation with Adam? As you see in the provided scripture a day with God is like a thousand years, so there is no telling how long they were actually in Eden. There is no timeframe listed in the Bible for how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden. They actually could have been in for millions of years.

I am of the opinion that the age listed in the Bible for Adam is from the point of him being exiled from the Garden.

Another thing is the curse that God places on reptiles that cursed them to walk/crawl on their stomachs for the rest of existence. That proves to me that there was a conversion from the dinosaur time of animals walking above ground to the crawling on their bellies (evolution maybe?).

Genesis 3:14

Then the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, you are cursed more than all animals, domestic and wild. You will crawl on your belly, groveling in the dust as long as you live.

We've been preaching this from the pulpit but cannot see the correlation. The writers of the Bible didn't believe in evolution but there was some sort of transformation of reptiles listed in Genesis.

Too many Christians are too ignorant to look outside the box and think differently about the Bible. Many times it isn't literal. You have to look through the Bible with an open mind. I personally do not believe that the Earth is 5000 years old and I am a Christian.

 

[volssam]

I'm just not a fan of the God v. Science battle. To me, science is a gift from God to discover how He created the Earth.

We just have to remember that Genesis was written by a human being. Therefore its not a stretch for me to believe the "7 days" is actually allegorical for the readers to understand as opposed to "billions of years," which is more difficult to comprehend.

Why are the life and death of dinosaurs not mentioned in Genesis? Do you believe they never existed? Surely the answer is not no.

I believe yes there were dinosaurs. And that there is evidence they did exist. And that they existed with man. There is ancient art and such from men that show dinosaurs. Meaning they coexisted. I don't believe in the 65 million years and asteroid theory. Do I know what happened to them? No. Do I have to know what happened in order to go to Heaven? I don't believe so.

You should check out apologetics press. It's a faith-based organization down in Alabama. They study and discuss faith issues, especially related to proving God and the Bible. And they address dinosaurs.

 

[volssam]

This is strictly an opinion and I'm pretty sure that what I am about to say would be considered a no no within the church today.

I think it is a posibliity that there is Heaven, Eden and Earth. Heaven being God's kingdom and realm. Eden being a place of a Heaven on Earth and Earth, where we reside. With 3 different timelines and timeframes.


2 Peter 3:8New Living Translation (NLT)

8 But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day.

I think there is a possibility that time on Earth was at a different speed that what it was in Eden, considering that Adam would walk and talk with God while in Eden. How many days did he have a conversation with Adam? As you see in the provided scripture a day with God is like a thousand years, so there is no telling how long they were actually in Eden. There is no timeframe listed in the Bible for how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden. They actually could have been in for millions of years.

I am of the opinion that the age listed in the Bible for Adam is from the point of him being exiled from the Garden.

Another thing is the curse that God places on reptiles that cursed them to walk/crawl on their stomachs for the rest of existence. That proves to me that there was a conversion from the dinosaur time of animals walking above ground to the crawling on their bellies (evolution maybe?).

Genesis 3:14

Then the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, you are cursed more than all animals, domestic and wild. You will crawl on your belly, groveling in the dust as long as you live.

We've been preaching this from the pulpit but cannot see the correlation. The writers of the Bible didn't believe in evolution but there was some sort of transformation of reptiles listed in Genesis.

Too many Christians are too ignorant to look outside the box and think differently about the Bible. Many times it isn't literal. You have to look through the Bible with an open mind. I personally do not believe that the Earth is 5000 years old and I am a Christian.

The 1000 years as one day verse you used was taken out of context. It is in the context of people saying: the earth is continuing, so Where is Jesus's return that y'all keep
Promising? And so it is saying the verse you posted to say that time is nothing to God, He is outside of time and eternal. And it goes on to say that He wants all men to come to repentance, so they can ind salvation. And that is why He is giving them time.

I believe when God created the earth He set in play the laws of nature, including time. And since creation, time has continued to march on, except for when at Joshua's behest,
God basically pressed pause on a day and kept the sun in the sky in that one instance.

Again, this is my take on it. And I believe it comes down to faith and if you take God's word at face value or not. Yes there are some non-literal and imagery things in the Bible. I personally don't believe Genesis is one of
Those.

Also someone mentioned a human wrote Genesis. Technically true, but it is a human that had direct conversations with God. I believe it is truth.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

The 1000 years as one day verse you used was taken out of context. It is in the context of people saying: the earth is continuing, so Where is Jesus's return that y'all keep
Promising? And so it is saying the verse you posted to say that time is nothing to God, He is outside of time and eternal. And it goes on to say that He wants all men to come to repentance, so they can ind salvation. And that is why He is giving them time.

I believe when God created the earth He set in play the laws of nature, including time. And since creation, time has continued to march on, except for when at Joshua's behest,
God basically pressed pause on a day and kept the sun in the sky in that one instance.

Again, this is my take on it. And I believe it comes down to faith and if you take God's word at face value or not. Yes there are some non-literal and imagery things in the Bible. I personally don't believe Genesis is one of
Those.

Also someone mentioned a human wrote Genesis. Technically true, but it is a human that had direct conversations with God. I believe it is truth.

Well said.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

If one does truly believe in the Bible but then buys into the millions/billions/trillions years old, where is the missing time?

I have heard, as Catbone mentioned, the days of creation being longer than 24 hour periods.

I personally don't believe that myself. To me, it kinda diminishes or belittles the power of God to go with that. But I suppose the human side of me might could understand a .. bit how one could view it that way. But other than that, where is the missing time?

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep..(How long did this last? It does not say. It's something that stares us in the face and no one ever see's it.)...And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters...(The counting of days did not begin till after he said "Let there be light")...I don't teach this, and I am in no way saying I believe this absolutely. I think like you, that if God wanted to create the Earth with animal and plant fossils buried under miles of sedimentary rock for some reason..he definitely could. My faith is not predicated on full understanding of Creation. The Creation story is obviously not all literal. There is no "tree" that gives eternal life or death. Jesus said..The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life....also the Book says..Death and Life are in the power of the tongue...Either way I believe Jesus Christ is the resurrected Son of God. As the old song says..."we'll understand it better by and by"

 

[Dust10]

I believe yes there were dinosaurs. And that there is evidence they did exist. And that they existed with man. There is ancient art and such from men that show dinosaurs. Meaning they coexisted. I don't believe in the 65 million years and asteroid theory. Do I know what happened to them? No. Do I have to know what happened in order to go to Heaven? I don't believe so.

You should check out apologetics press. It's a faith-based organization down in Alabama. They study and discuss faith issues, especially related to proving God and the Bible. And they address dinosaurs.

I'm fine on my apologetics, thanks.

 

[volssam]

I'm fine on my apologetics, thanks.

Haha. I seriously wasn't trying to be magnanimous or anything. And I hope you don't feel that way. I was just suggesting a source if you wanted to study it. I realize people don't see things as black and white as I do.

 

[volssam]

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep..(How long did this last? It does not say. It's something that stares us in the face and no one ever see's it.)...And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters...(The counting of days did not begin till after he said "Let there be light")...I don't teach this, and I am in no way saying I believe this absolutely. I think like you, that if God wanted to create the Earth with animal and plant fossils buried under miles of sedimentary rock for some reason..he definitely could. My faith is not predicated on full understanding of Creation. The Creation story is obviously not all literal. There is no "tree" that gives eternal life or death. Jesus said..The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life....also the Book says..Death and Life are in the power of the tongue...Either way I believe Jesus Christ is the resurrected Son of God. As the old song says..."we'll understand it better by and by"

I actually believe there was a tree of life, as it says in Genesis. I believe there was a tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

After they are from the tree of knowledge, Then in Genesis 3:

22Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” 23therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I actually believe there was a tree of life, as it says in Genesis. I believe there was a tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

After they are from the tree of knowledge, Then in Genesis 3:

22Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” 23therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken.

If that's the way you see it. So do most others. I believe the creation story is truth. I think it was spiritually written and must be spiritually discerned. I know my faith is as strong as anyone else's, regardless of my feeble understanding. However God did it. It is fine by me. I wasn't there when he told the ocean it could go no further than this. But by his grace I will be there when he makes all things new...I have had many personal experiences with the power of God. He does not have to prove or explain himself to me.

 

[JacketVol]

Everyone's morality is subjective, so unless an action impedes on someone else's rights then where do you draw the line? Someone can think Gay marriage is wrong, that's their own choice, but that doesn't effect you. Let them get married that's their own choice and who are you to say that you are right and they're wrong. (Not you specifically but you as a general term).

And look I'm pro-life, but I don't think abortion should be illegal. Facts are, you can't scientifically prove when exactly life starts. Saying you believe that life starts at conception is a religious argument, and that shouldn't be enough for a law. Separation of church and state is a great thing, and it protects people with beliefs that are in the minority. But that doesn't mean the majority can impose their beliefs on others.

I'm over everyone who wants to legislate their own morality over everyone else and lives in an ivory tower and wants to tell everyone else how to live. That's not how the government works

Heartbeat starts at 12 days per science. Most do not even know they are pregnant till after that time has passed. Not a religious argument but science.

 

[RikidyBones]

I believe yes there were dinosaurs. And that there is evidence they did exist. And that they existed with man. There is ancient art and such from men that show dinosaurs. Meaning they coexisted. I don't believe in the 65 million years and asteroid theory. Do I know what happened to them? No. Do I have to know what happened in order to go to Heaven? I don't believe so.

You should check out apologetics press. It's a faith-based organization down in Alabama. They study and discuss faith issues, especially related to proving God and the Bible. And they address dinosaurs.

What about children of the forest?

 

[Vols4us]

I actually believe there was a tree of life, as it says in Genesis. I believe there was a tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

After they are from the tree of knowledge, Then in Genesis 3:

22Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” 23therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken.

We are closer in agreement than any posters on here. I have studied both sides of the issue. I am now more convinced than ever that creation was as described in the Bible. The Bible was not written to be a science book. It was written for other purposes the Judeo Christian understands, yet, gives everybody direct information and clues to God's creation and their purpose in it.

The following is from research from various scientist authors paraphrased by me.

Most all evolution supporters come at creationists with the dinosaur argument without really knowing or leaving out aspects that are uncomfortable - such as the shelf life of DNA, which has been found in even recent dinosaur digs by atheist and other secular scientists (Dr. Mary Schweitzer for one). DNA is very unstable and highly affected by temperature. Per secular scientific research, DNA when preserved in bone, which is where it is found most often in dinosaur finds, would be completely disintegrated in 22,000 years at 25 degrees C and 131,000 years at 15 degrees C. Yet, it is found. Per Assoc. Professor of Biological Sciences, Brandt Eichman at the the hated Vandy, DNA is highly reactive and not stable. He says on a good day about 1 million bases in the DNA in a single human cell are damaged. That doesn't even go into the "recipe" involved in each cell that causes animals and humans to produce after their own kind. Nor does that go into basic decomposition rates of dinosaur tissue, which proves there is no possible way they could have existed for millions of years in their currently discovered states. These are basic chemical composition and biological calculations that throw it under the bus and even most evolutionists acknowledge it. That is enough alone to destroy the myth of millions of years for dating dinosaurs.

So then they come at it with the meteor wipe out theory. Which is just a guess to get around the inexplicable conflicts. The theory promotes major cooling of the earth's surface due to the great clouds of dust that had to occur. There should be no frogs then, because scientists agree that species would have been there based on their understanding of fossil records. Frogs are even far more sensitive to climate change than any dinosaur, but they are still here. The acid rain, massive cooling and dust would have wiped them out. Yet, the fossil records indicate they thrived during the period the theory says they would be extinct. Oops. So their answer is still no better than the creationist scientist that states the extinction occurred as a result of The Flood or events from creation on Day 6 to another point in human history.

Some Bible scholars believe the behemoth in Job 40 describes a large dinosaur. God reminds Job that he formed behemoth along with him (as mankind) when both humans and beasts were made in Day 6.

Still others point to the fossilization of dinosaur bones. Sorry, that doesn't work either. Cataclysmic events can cause fossilization of about anything in a couple decades as volcanoes and floods have proven repeatedly.

I could go on, however, you understand. There has been nothing discovered or "proven" by evolutionists that proves the first thing of the Biblical record wrong. That has been their aim for quite some time now. Fail. God will give the final answer to it all in due time.

:hi:

EDIT - I intended to quote your dinosaur post. I also fully agree with this post of yours as well.

 

[Vol464]

Haha. I seriously wasn't trying to be magnanimous or anything. And I hope you don't feel that way. I was just suggesting a source if you wanted to study it. I realize people don't see things as black and white as I do.

Some do, though.

 

[Vols4us]

Do you cut off a healthy finger or take out a healthy gall bladder just because you want to since it may prove to be an inconvenience in your life? That finger may cause you pain and that gall bladder may fail someday. They are going to need care, nutrition, medication, etc.

The life growing in the womb from conception (heartbeat or no) is a body part of the mother. For over 99% of the time it is growing there because of an unforced personal choice the mother and father made. Just like that finger and gall bladder it did nothing wrong. But unlike them that life is an amazing gift to humanity that brings honor and glory to whoever becomes the parents after birth.

Or you can just treat it like a piece of rotten meat or cancer, brutally cut it up and throw it away. That's the choice.

 

[SmokinBob]

These are excellent points. I am leaning more and more towards voting for him as well. The campaign money is more than reason enough. We desperately need a legitimate third party. I would not call myself a libertarian, per se, but of all the candidates being trotted forth, he seems to be the one that could lead us the best.

I am an independent - according to some pundits, over 30% of voters are independent (not registered as either democrat or republican). There are many many republicans who don't support Trump, and democrats who don't support Clinton. If there ever was a time when voting for a third party is NOT a 'throw-away' vote, that time is now. I will vote for Johnson and do what I can where I live to support his run for President of our republic, the United States of America.

My hope, like Lincoln's, is to protect what:

"...our fathers brought forth on this continent,... conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal....and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth"

 

[Ace]

Okay

Jesus in the New Testament wouldn't torture Job in a contest with Lucifer...

New Testament is forgive and forget

Old Testament is an Eye for an Eye.

We can disagree and both still be correct in our views. There is much more than one way to interpret the Bible.

OT shows that we are sinners and need a Savior.
NT shows us there is a Savior and forgiveness is available.
Law and Grace are not at odds with each other, they are friends.