Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVII

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LA Vol said:
That one SEC L keeps us from controlling our own destiny. We have to beat UGA and UF has to lose twice in conf for us to get back on track. Both are possible, though one is more likely than the other.
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Could always beat UGA and Bama and win out for. 3 way tie lol 😂
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
First of all when has Florida State made the playoffs every year? They made it once. The first year. Since then, they've been one of the most disappointing teams in the country losing consistently to teams they have more talent than. This year being a continuation of that trend. LSU is another team like Florida State that consistently has top 5 talent but is always underachieving. LSU and Florida State prove that elite coaching is just as important as elite talent. You can't have a great team without both.

Ohio State made it to the playoffs two of the last three years but I think we would all agree that the selection last year was dubious. They didn't even win their division. They made it because of their name brand not because they deserved it.

Alabama is really the only model of consistency in college football when it comes to playing up to what the recruiting rankings say you are. They are always ranked number one in both rankings. I think that mostly proves that Nick Saban is a great coach. Not that the recruiting rankings are always correct.

Teams that consistently recruit in the top 10 have roughly the same talent level. The difference comes in coaching. The reason Alabama and Ohio State succeed more than LSU and Florida State isn't that they have more talent. Its because they have better coaches.
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Reading might help you. I said it's all a part of it. You have to have elite talent and good coaching to get to the playoffs. Or great talent and elite coaching. We have average-above average talent and below average coaching. FSU won the national title the year before with Winston then went to the playoffs the next year. So yeah they're pretty consistent. They are always the tops in their conference along with Clemson. Do they recruit in the upper teens and 20s? Every year? No. Do they have a year they might fall in recruiting? Yes. But they always bounce back. LSU has been the only team that has been able to compete with Bama as with Auburn and you can see how they recruit and their coaching has been very poor. Their talent keeps them in the game.

Your only argument is Michigan. Yes coaching improved them but have they made the playoffs? No. Have they won the big 10? No. Have they won a national title? No. Now they did improve with coaching but they havent won their division yet. Youre saying we go to the national title year one using Michigan as your example but that argument is weak. They haven't won anything
 
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vol2002 said:
In the 2010 and 2012 searches we had a lot of guys turn us down because the job was seen as too difficult and a potential career ender. Assuming Butch gets canned, those people will have been proven right. Will be interesting if the same perception still holds this time around.
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It won't. The roster has a lot more talent now than it did then. And the biggest difference now is the rise in instate talent. Those guys thought it would he too hard to recruit at Tennessee. That isn't the case anymore. Butch Jones has proven you can recruit elite talent to Tennessee. And with the rise of talent being produced by the state of Tennessee, the job should be seen now as a top 10 job.

We should be able to land an elite coach this time around.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Could always beat UGA and Bama and win out for. 3 way tie lol 😂
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Yeah because there is no way Florida will lose to more than Georgia. This place is Sad. I feel bad for a lot of you. Bass master takes this stuff too personal. Before the season he was predicting a better season than it looks. One heartbreaking lose to Florida and every post is now pessimistic
 
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AAVFL said:
Reading might help you. I said it's all a part of it. You have to have elite talent and good coaching to get to the playoffs. Or great talent and elite coaching. We have average-above average talent and below average coaching. FSU won the national title the year before with Winston then went to the playoffs the next year. So yeah they're pretty consistent. They are always the tops in their conference along with Clemson. Do they recruit in the upper teens and 20s? Every year? No. Do they have a year they might fall in recruiting? Yes. But they always bounce back. LSU has been the only team that has been able to compete with Bama as with Auburn and you can see how they recruit and their coaching has been very poor. Their talent keeps them in the game.

Your only argument is Michigan. Yes coaching improved them but have they made the playoffs? No. Have they won the big 10? No. Have they won a national title? No. Now they did improve with coaching but they havent won their division yet. Youre saying we go to the national title year one using Michigan as your example but that argument is weak. They haven't won anything
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I'm confused. What is your argument? Cause you're just saying obvious stuff here. I never said recruiting doesn't matter. I'm simply saying there isn't a 1 to 1 correlation. Just because you have 4 top 5 recruiting classes doesn't mean you'll be better than someone with 2 top 5 recruiting classes and the other 2 being top 10.

You're trying too hard to make this into a one to one correlation. The top 10 teams in the 4 year composite rankings have roughly the same talent. The differences at that point come down to evaluations, player development, and coaching.

LSU has been #2 in the SEC when it comes to composite recruiting rank the last 4-5 years and you'll be hard pressed to find a year where they were the clear cut #2 team in the SEC since 2011. Their terrible coaching has kept them down.

The same can be true in the reverse. Clemson has not been as talented as Florida State the last 3 years when it comes to the 4 year composite recruiting rank but Clemson has been beating Florida State because they have been better at evaluating, player development, and coaching.

Among the top 10-12 teams in college football when it comes to recruiting rank, there isn't really a big difference when it comes to talent. At that point evaluations in recruiting, player development, and coaching starts to make the big differences.
 
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mccrackb said:
Yeah because there is no way Florida will lose to more than Georgia. This place is Sad. I feel bad for a lot of you. Bass master takes this stuff too personal. Before the season he was predicting a better season than it looks. One heartbreaking lose to Florida and every post is now pessimistic
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I think #welearned

Nothing is being taken personally. We should have beaten Florida easily, coaching costed us the game. I'm not going back into it though, Newt will get mad. But there is also more than on the field stuff that is the problem as well.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm confused. What is your argument? Cause you're just saying obvious stuff here. I never said recruiting doesn't matter. I'm simply saying there isn't a 1 to 1 correlation. Just because you have 4 top 5 recruiting classes doesn't mean you'll be better than someone with 2 top 5 recruiting classes and the other 2 being top 10.

You're trying too hard to make this into a one to one correlation. The top 10 teams in the 4 year composite rankings have roughly the same talent. The differences at that point come down to evaluations, player development, and coaching.

LSU has been #2 in the SEC when it comes to composite recruiting rank the last 4-5 years and you'll be hard pressed to find a year where they were the clear cut #2 team in the SEC since 2011. Their terrible coaching has kept them down.

The same can be true in the reverse. Clemson has not been as talented as Florida State the last 3 years when it comes to the 4 year composite recruiting rank but Clemson has been beating Florida State because they have been better at evaluating, player development, and coaching.

Among the top 10-12 teams in college football when it comes to recruiting rank, there isn't really a big difference when it comes to talent. At that point evaluations in recruiting, player development, and coaching starts to make the big differences.
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You are saying with chip we go to the national title year one. I'm saying that won't happen. People think we have elite talent we don't. Now we can go to winning the east, sure i believe that with better coaching. But if we want to beat bama which we will need to make the playoffs we have to increase our level of talent in order to beat bama.
 
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AAVFL said:
You are saying with chip we go to the national title year one. I'm saying that won't happen. People think we have elite talent we don't. Now we can go to winning the east, sure i believe that with better coaching. But if we want to beat bama which we will need to make the playoffs we have to increase our level of talent in order to beat bama.
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With D4H it's one extreme or another. Then he predicts 1000000 things and when he finally gets 1 prediction right he acts like he's gods gift to football. I'm embarrassed for him.
 
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Catbone said:
With D4H it's one extreme or another. Then he predicts 1000000 things and when he finally gets 1 prediction right he acts like he's gods gift to football. I'm embarrassed for him.
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Ehh some people need to take the orange shades off. Sure our talent has improved from Dooley but if we want to get to the next level we need more all around. Butch has done a great job of righting the ship. Now he is exposed and has shown so far he is not a championship level coach. We need someone that is going to recruit even better and be a better in game coach.
 
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AAVFL said:
Ehh some people need to take the orange shades off. Sure our talent has improved from Dooley but if we want to get to the next level we need more all around. Butch has done a great job of righting the ship. Now he is exposed and has shown so far he is not a championship level coach. We need someone that is going to recruit even better and be a better in game coach.
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Yeah, I don't think we're close to a national championship level roster. Talent wise we should be competing with Georgia for the SEC East. It looks to me we're closer to Kentucky and South Carolina than Georgia and Alabama.

Depending on which coach we hire, I would expect 8-9 wins next year and an SEC Championship game appearance the next.
 
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AAVFL said:
You are saying with chip we go to the national title year one. I'm saying that won't happen. People think we have elite talent we don't. Now we can go to winning the east, sure i believe that with better coaching. But if we want to beat bama which we will need to make the playoffs we have to increase our level of talent in order to beat bama.
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Agree about not enough talent. Not sure what people see in chip Kelly. He's like butch in some ways.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
If we win the National Championship this year I'll circle back and concede this was a good point.
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I’m not stating we are going to win the NC or even the East for that matter. What I am saying is even with tremendous talent and coaching, sometimes it takes some breaks to win. A win is a win and move one and get better.
 
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