Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVII

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Kingston Vol said:
Also, recruiting rankings aren't the only thing that's important. Plenty of 4 and 5 stars are overrated or turn out to be busts for a plethora of reasons. Alabama is so good because they pick out the guys they want. Their evaluation techniques are outstanding and you can see Kirby brought some of that with him to UGA.
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I agree. It's all a big piece of the pie. We have struggled with talent evaluation and development. Clemson is a big exception cause they probably have the best talent development and evaluation. And their coaching staff is one of if not the best in the country.
 
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bignewt said:
Sometimes I wonder what this fanbase would be saying if we HAD won the east the last two years and got destroyed by bama in the SEC championship game. I think it would be pretty much the same, we need a coach who can win that game! Fahr Butch!
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I just want to look on the field and see a team that I think is reasonably well coached.

Instead of telling everyone over and over again how ridiculous they are how about some counterpoints? How about telling people why they are wrong to question Butch. Tell us what you see that's so promising.
 
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bignewt said:
Sometimes I wonder what this fanbase would be saying if we HAD won the east the last two years and got destroyed by bama in the SEC championship game. I think it would be pretty much the same, we need a coach who can win that game! Fahr Butch!
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No. Absolutely not.
 
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That would mean we are coming off back to back 10 win seasons Newt! That would also mean we didn't blow the games we should've won
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Clemson won the national title last year with a 4 year recruiting average identical to ours.

So this idea you NEED 4 straight top 5 recruiting classes to win a national title is simply not supported by the facts.
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Interesting. You need some top 5 classes to win Natty. Top 20s should make us relevant, especially in the SEC Least. But here we sit.
 
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AAVFL said:
I agree. It's all a big piece of the pie. We have struggled with talent evaluation and development. Clemson is a big exception cause they probably have the best talent development and evaluation. And their coaching staff is one of if not the best in the country.
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It's why hiring Venables is really intriguing to me.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Clemson won the national title last year with a 4 year recruiting average identical to ours.

So this idea you NEED 4 straight top 5 recruiting classes to win a national title is simply not supported by the facts.
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Cant just look at Clemson look at the other teams that have gotten to the playoffs consistently.

OSU top 5 every year for last 4 years.
FSU top 5-10 in recruiting every year.
BAMA number one every year.
Clemson best coaching staff, talent evaluation and development but top recruiting in their conference.

It's all part of it. It's not everyday you see teams that recruit in the 15-30 range every year make it to the playoffs every year.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Also, recruiting rankings aren't the only thing that's important. Plenty of 4 and 5 stars are overrated or turn out to be busts for a plethora of reasons. Alabama is so good because they pick out the guys they want. Their evaluation techniques are outstanding and you can see Kirby brought some of that with him to UGA.
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Plenty do bust but the majority should not. That turns to coaching and development. Busts should be the exceptions not the rule.

Smart has a few things going for him.

1. UGA recruiting base is loaded with easy layups. Typically the total package players with speed, power and explosion and for every postion to fill your team.

2. He hired a impressive staff right out of the gates. He didn't wait until year 3-5 to make the appropriate hires to compete at a high level in this conference. High level coaching and recruiting all across the board.
 
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chavisut said:
You're talking about less expectations because of roster issues.

I pointed out their issues, which are worse off than ours.
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I don't know what UF fans' expectations are. I don't root for them.

Plus, a win or loss over one team isn't going to change expectations. If this went 11-1 with just a loss to UF, then everyone would probably be thrilled. Again, their situation isn't relevant to us.
 
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AAVFL said:
It's a gamble for sure. Never been a head coach so don't know what his leadership skills are or management style is but he knows what it takes to win.
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venables has learned from two of the best in the business in terms of how to run a team and the locker room. Don't get much better than Dabo and Stoops.

JAV said there has been some that say he wants to be a HC and some that say he wouldn't mind just being a coordinator his entire career. Said he has tons of connections to hire a good staff if he chooses to be one
 
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McGeesPub said:
Development? You take a staff that hasn't shown any real development chops, along with lower rated classes in 2016 and 2017, and expect improvement?
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It's not going great so far, but I can't predict the future. If you can, please email me those lottery numbers.

Also, if everything stayed the same, the 2018 class would greatly enhance the talent.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
venables has learned from two of the best in the business in terms of how to run a team and the locker room. Don't get much better than Dabo and Stoops.

JAV said there has been some that say he wants to be a HC and some that say he wouldn't mind just being a coordinator his entire career. Said he has tons of connections to hire a good staff if he chooses to be one
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Yeah as we have seen the head coach really only goes as far as their staff will take them.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
If you're recruiting at an elite level you should top out at 11-12 wins and your lulls should be 8-9 wins. We have not hit that ceiling (or come close) and our floor could be well below it this season. My point is only that either we don't have the talent to compete or we don't have the coaching/development to compete. Both of those departments fall on the Head Coach.
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I understand your argument, but that wasn't what you originally said. You simply said "year 5." That argument in a vacuum is dumb.

If Butch goes 8-4 or 9-3 this year, it would be a better coaching job than last year. Last year was a complete disappointment. Coaching evaluations are not in a year by year vacuum.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I don't know what UF fans' expectations are. I don't root for them.

Plus, a win or loss over one team isn't going to change expectations. If this went 11-1 with just a loss to UF, then everyone would probably be thrilled. Again, their situation isn't relevant to us.
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I'm not talking about their expectations.

If you're going to base expectations on what you lose shouldn't you also look at everyone else and their situations?
 
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bignewt said:
Sometimes I wonder what this fanbase would be saying if we HAD won the east the last two years and got destroyed by bama in the SEC championship game. I think it would be pretty much the same, we need a coach who can win that game! Fahr Butch!
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And what's the problem with that?

The standard at Tennessee is championships. If you can't win them as a head coach, then you're not the right man for the job. Doesn't matter if you fall short at the SEC championship game or before.
 
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VolGee4 said:
It's not going great so far, but I can't predict the future. If you can, please email me those lottery numbers.

Also, if everything stayed the same, the 2018 class would greatly enhance the talent.
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Funny. It's not predicting the future, it's looking at trends. And I'm not liking what I'm seeing.

The 2018 class is a very good one so far, but it needs to be great. I have concerns about that happening if we continue to look like we do.
 
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