Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXI

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jspvol76 said:
Heard Joey Kent on the radio the other day discussing this. He didn't seem to favor either one, seemed very impressed by both. He actually kept stating that Dormady's athleticism keeps getting downplayed, but that he can move around much better than people give him credit for. My personal opinion is still Guarantano will take the job, but it will definitely be a battle. Great problem to have.
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Something else to consider is that if SJ sticks, what more could you ask for than a guy that's been in the program and knows the system well as your 3rd string guy. Only a couple of plays away from playing.
 
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Maxwell said:
I think Hurd was frustrated and had lost some of his standing with his teammates. He got some bad advice from a relative and quit. Now he is sort of in a weird place that he probably isn't sure which way to navigate out of. I think he eventually will go pro instead of transferring which is probably a better option. I did see where one scout said he didn't hurt his draft stock by leaving as much as many think. Why would that be? Maybe he projects as a tight end in the pros? Perhaps he would not be drafted all that high anyway? I don't know.
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Young man really screwed the pooch. He was in a bad place, losing reps at his position, couldn't accept what was obvious to his team mates and they did not particularly like him anyway. Even with this it seemed Butch tried to protect him and that sure didn't help.

Somebody must have really gotten in his ear to make all the mistakes he made.

What's really ironic is all the joking about him being to tall to be a running back and should have been a tight end sort of turned out to be true. He just could not handle the notion of being a 5 star running back and losing out to someone else. I wish he had changed positions or transferred but that's life. The worst part of this is he is all Tennessee born and bred and will have a difficult time living it down.

He should consider going to CFL and being a tight end for a year or two and trying to get to the NFL that way. Best of luck, but he has made this path himself.
 
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chavisut said:
No. I've never made any connection between people's opinions on here and their life or who they are as a person. That is for the mega sunshine pumpers.
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Ok. I'll rephrase it a little. Probably makes it more accurate anyway.....

It's an attempt to make it seem like the groaners are the ones who really care about UT Football/winning and the rest of us are content with 3rd in the East type seasons.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Ok. I'll rephrase it a little. Probably makes it more accurate anyway.....

It's an attempt to make it seem like the groaners are the ones who really care about UT Football/winning and the rest of us are content with 3rd in the East type seasons.
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Well, there are a few that have started to downplay Tennessee's history and crunching numbers to determine 8-4 is pretty dang spot on for Tennessee.

I think all of us on here want to see Tennessee win though.
 
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McGeesPub said:
Underpants aren't on fire. Just posting my thoughts on it. Sorry to set yours ablaze.

Of course all this is speculation. That's all any of us can do. It's not like I'm going to run out on the practice field waving my arms in the air and screaming like a madman to influence the competition. Didn't realize the topic was taboo.
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I'm not the one already calling for a 6-6 season and a head coaching search before we even get to spring ball. I'm not saying you are either but there many on here that want to declare next year a failure before we even hire the OC that will oversee said predicted failure. I just think it is silly to claim JG or Dormady will be the savior or the death of our football team until we see them with the ones and in a real game situation and not just mop up duty with the 2's and 3's.
 
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AV_12 said:
QD isn't mobile at all. That said, I think he could be effective airing it out if given time.
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There have been multiple people say that Dormady is more mobile than folks give him credit for. We don't have enough game film, IMO, to say he is or isn't so why not take the word of folks that actually get to see him in some form of action?
 
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I don't know. Part of the fun is being able to extrapolate from a message board post to a general psychology. You know it's even more fun if one can set up an incongruity like insisting you know who CBJ should start at QB while lambasting him for not letting go of control of the offense.
 
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chavisut said:
Well, there are a few that have started to downplay Tennessee's history and crunching numbers to determine 8-4 is pretty dang spot on for Tennessee.

I think all of us on here want to see Tennessee win though.
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I don't like 8-4. It hurts. However, I have used our last 25 year or so to show that those that expect 12 win seasons every year are setting themselves up to be disappointed. I certainly think that this school is capable of being a perennial 10 win team with an occasional run at the CFPs. However, we also have to understand the size of the hole we are having to dig our way out of and the number of folks that are on the edge of that hole trying to kick us back down into it. If you look at teams that are successful you will see long tenured coaches that were given the opportunity to build their programs even if there were a few hiccups. I think everyone should continue to hold Butch to the fire but it is also reasonable to expect an off year from time to time as well.
 
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MockingVol said:
1. Beat Kentucky and Vandy every year.
- 50% completion
2. Best Mizzou and Scar most of the time.
- 50% completion
3. Destroy cupcakes to insert backups.
- Failure
4. Don't have losing streaks to main rivals.
- Winning streak versus UGA, ended UF streak, and you even admitted knocking Savannah off his log is a long shot. I thusly consider this a completion.
5. Contend for East and stay in top 25.
- We contended for the East-- though we should have won--and stayed inside the top 25. I consider that a completion:

So one outright failure amongst your five stipulations equals firing??
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It's in the ballpark and probably why he got another year. Losing to either Vandy or KY is another outright failure though. Not okay to go 1-1 in those games ever. Just saying that these are just my base level expectations and he didn't even hit those in year 4.

I would like a coach that could regularly get us above and beyond that. Just not sure he's done enough to convince me he's that guy. He may be. Again, I hope he's here for 20 years and we win lots of championships.

I just think this would have been a unique offseason to go after a Gruden or Chip Kelly kind of name. The tough rebuild is over. A great coach could step in and build a serious winner. That's just my opinion. You're free to have yours.

We likely wouldnt have found that coach anyways, especially without an AD in place, so it was never going to happen.
 
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volinbama256 said:
And I guarantee JG didn't come to UT to sit for two years... Dormady will be a casualty of being recruited over... Since it looks as though we are getting another season of Butch ball, where he is in control of everything, we will not turn into a pro-style to fit Dormady's style. JG, raw or not, fits the current offense we run...
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This offense won't go without a running QB, unless butch has another level to his offense we haven't seen.
 
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glichtenwalter said:
I'm not the one already calling for a 6-6 season and a head coaching search before we even get to spring ball. I'm not saying you are either but there many on here that want to declare next year a failure before we even hire the OC that will oversee said predicted failure. I just think it is silly to claim JG or Dormady will be the savior or the death of our football team until we see them with the ones and in a real game situation and not just mop up duty with the 2's and 3's.
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I think predictions of 6-6 are ridiculous. We are going to be lucky to win 4.

Just kidding, I've been at 8-4, 9-3 with my predictions. If I'm getting lumped in with the 6-6 crowd, I'm going to say something about it.

Your essentially right. Whether it's the AD hire, the OC hire or starting QB, all we can do is see what happens. But no harm in talking about it.
 
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glichtenwalter said:
There have been multiple people say that Dormady is more mobile than folks give him credit for. We don't have enough game film, IMO, to say he is or isn't so why not take the word of folks that actually get to see him in some form of action?
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It's not like he was hiding anything when he got in.We've seen enough to know that he has no mobility whatsoever. I don't think that means he can't start, just that it's a fact.
 
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I will never for the life of me understand why you guys compare the merits of backup quarterbacks we've never seen play meaningful snaps
 
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Decision making will be the deciding factor, imo. Think we've seen this offense works, as long as we don't have turnovers.
 
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jave36 said:
This offense won't go without a running QB, unless butch has another level to his offense we haven't seen.
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I think no matter the offense, a mobile QB is almost a must in college football. It is a huge weapon and covers up for other inefficiencies. Dobbs' legs were a weapon and opened up the offense and it was obvious that it was necessary for him to run it for our offense to work at its fullest potential.

That said, I'm not sure this offense requires a mobile QB because the reality is that Dobbs isn't a good passer and that may have had more to do with our offensive struggles than anything else.

When teams forced him to play QB it got ugly. Two glaring examples of this are App State, USCe. We also saw it happen a couple of times when our coaches didn't open it up and the offense sputtered - North Texas, Ohio.

So the question I have is "is a mobile QB required for this offense to work or was it that in order for the offense to work with Dobbs at QB we had to run it with the QB more?"
 
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Lovesomebigorange said:
Butch needs to realize he needs elite recruiters on this staff Instead of having a staff of his buddies. Weinke should be hired on the spot. But of course he will choose Canales and recruits will have to google who he is.
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I'd probably choose Weinke over Canales too but why do you think Weinke should be hired on the spot? He's never recruited. He might end up being a fantastic recruiter but we don't know that. So far he has done zero recruiting.

Canales is probably a good QB coach, he's been one most of his career. Doubt he'd be an elite recruiter though. Personally I'd rather Butch hire a current SEC QB coach who's a proven QB coach and recruiter. But with his job security in question I imagine it's hard to lure one of those away from the competition.

I'm not against the idea of promoting Larry Scott to CO-OC and letting him call plays and hiring a QB coach. I just wish that QB coach was a proven coach and recruiter. JMO
 
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