Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXX

[Atzar]

And Bill Walton babbling on about whales and lord knows what else lol

He's difficult to listen to. He was a great player and is a bright dude, but his train of thought is erratic as hell and he continually interrupts the play-by-play guy.

 

[McGeesPub]

I don't understand your point, but I don't really care. A win is a win. I don't think AD's will consider firing a coach because he didn't beat App State or Ohio by more.

My point is that we are at a different place then we were last year, so no, no one wants to hear that. This year's what might have been is more relevant than last year's might have been.

And that is not an anti Butch, Anti UT comment.

 

[BigZiti09]

And Bill Walton babbling on about whales and lord knows what else lol

It's great. Yesterday he was discussing player tattoos.

I never understood why people hate on so many announcers. It's just back ground noise to me. Walton is so bizarre. He amuses me.

 

[VolGee4]

My point is that we are at a different place then we were last year, so no, no one wants to hear that. This year's what might have been is more relevant than last year's might have been.

And that is not an anti Butch, Anti UT comment.

Sure, this year is more relevant because it supports the argument that most are pushing on here. But what he did last year absolutely is a part of a discussion on his job performance. Just like his prior 2 years and just like where we were as a program when he got hired. It's all relevant.

But people want to use the close losses AND the close wins against him. That's just moronic.

 

[volfanCLT]

Haha books, whales, trees, UCLA, and the Oregon radio guy who he thought was a former UT and Oregon coach

Here is what he talked about in the 1st half yesterday

 

[The Breakerboy]

LOL. Butch has a 2-1 record against Strong. The loss was by 3 in OT

And Tennessee was in worse shape than Texas and Butch has easily out coached him. Strong has tons of talent and can't do anything in the B12! At least butch is about to have a 10 win season 😂😂😂

Strong and Butch have the same amount of wins versus Florida though. 😂😂😂😂😂

 

[InVOLuntary]

HC no..even the Dooley can get a job coaching in the NFL though. If Butch wants to be a HC...It ain't happening for him.

I can't see Butch leaving for an assistant position in the NFL.

 

[LA Vol]

Dredging up the past is nonproductive. Virtually everybody agrees that CBJ has done a commendable job of rebuilding the program. The divisive element seems to be whether he has taken us as far as he can... or wants to. One goal-- perhaps even the primary goal-- was not achieved, but the season's not over. We could still end up 10-3, 9-4 or 8-5-- forward progress, stalled or a backslide. Once we know that, we can redraw our battle lines. Until then, truce?

 

[butchna]

Strong and Butch have the same amount of wins versus Florida though. 😂😂😂😂😂

How long are we getting the 80s cartoon villain guy from you? :no:

 

[Dust10]

Dredging up the past is nonproductive. Virtually everybody agrees that CBJ has done a commendable job of rebuilding the program. The divisive element seems to be whether he has taken us as far as he can... or wants to. One goal-- perhaps even the primary goal-- was not achieved, but the season's not over. We could still end up 10-3, 9-4 or 8-5-- forward progress, stalled or a backslide. Once we know that, we can redraw our battle lines. Until then, truce?

Fair point and there will be no truce. This must be decided right now before the season is over.

 

[volssam]

Dredging up the past is nonproductive. Virtually everybody agrees that CBJ has done a commendable job of rebuilding the program. The divisive element seems to be whether he has taken us as far as he can... or wants to. One goal-- perhaps even the primary goal-- was not achieved, but the season's not over. We could still end up 10-3, 9-4 or 8-5-- forward progress, stalled or a backslide. Once we know that, we can redraw our battle lines. Until then, truce?

.*

 

[Glitch]

They must have all taken a nap at halftime and not woken back up.

 

[The Breakerboy]

How long are we getting the 80s cartoon villain guy from you? :no:

Man you all are too uptight. I'm not seriously entertaining this at all. Butch doesn't have all these options so I'm not even about to go too deep. Great for dialogue though. 😊

 

[Smokey123]

Strong and Butch have the same amount of wins versus Florida though. 😂😂😂😂😂

How is that relevant at all. Butch out coached Strong multiple times head to head. And is our coaching him rn at their current place. Yet you praise one but want the other fired🤔😂

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Dredging up the past is nonproductive. Virtually everybody agrees that CBJ has done a commendable job of rebuilding the program. The divisive element seems to be whether he has taken us as far as he can... or wants to. One goal-- perhaps even the primary goal-- was not achieved, but the season's not over. We could still end up 10-3, 9-4 or 8-5-- forward progress, stalled or a backslide. Once we know that, we can redraw our battle lines. Until then, truce?

I like the sentiment of your post, but I think that for those who have already formed an opinion, which I'd guess is most of the posters on VN, why would a meaningless loss/win or two at the end of a season when SECCG hopes are gone and bowl eligibility is assured sway anyone? I'm keeping powder dry because I want Dave Hart to be long gone before the next hire is made, whether it's 12 months or 12 years from now. I do think the new AD needs to come in with a mentality that anything less than a 10-win 2017 regular season with or without SECCG is the floor for CBJ's job retention.

 

[volssam]

Strong and Butch have the same amount of wins versus Florida though. 😂😂😂😂😂

Man, BB, you're like the captain of the Titanic

ain't lettin' go of that wheel, no matter what.

 

[The Breakerboy]

Man, BB, you're like the captain of the Titanic

ain't lettin' go of that wheel, no matter what.

Going down with the ship bro. Lol

 

[chavisut]

Dredging up the past is nonproductive. Virtually everybody agrees that CBJ has done a commendable job of rebuilding the program. The divisive element seems to be whether he has taken us as far as he can... or wants to. One goal-- perhaps even the primary goal-- was not achieved, but the season's not over. We could still end up 10-3, 9-4 or 8-5-- forward progress, stalled or a backslide. Once we know that, we can redraw our battle lines. Until then, truce?

We've seen 49 games. A couple more aren't necessary to have an opinion.

Beating the dregs of the schedule isn't going to change anything for many.

 

[vol2002]

I am sorry but I don't think this is a good comparison. These days, at most places, including here most likely, he would have been fired after his first four years. I am extremely grateful for everything that he has done for our program and university and think that he is a great coach, but it was very much a different era then.

That was my point. He wouldn't last today, even though Tennessee was better off for having been patient with him in the long term. And my point was also that there have been some very recent examples in the SEC of coaches who have had wild first or second year success, only to quickly flame out.

Big picture: four years ain't quite enough, particularly when you're making bowl games, hanging around the top 25 and are in national conversation again. 6 or 7 (or a complete collapse losing season) and I'm with you.

The anti-Butch contingent on this board has lost their minds.

 

[drvenner]

This deal with ND seems heavy handed by the NCAA. Almost seems to me like they are giving ND the ammo to be able to fire him with cause and save them millions in the buyout.

Vacating wins for 2 players cheating? Meanwhile UNC ran a fake university for almost 2 decades.

My argument would be that it is not heavy handed, but that the UNC case is laughably being swept under the rug.

 

[vol2002]

Beating the dregs of the schedule isn't going to change anything for many.

Racking up wins off the dregs of the schedule has been our program identity for a very long time...

Again, i'm not sure what period of time spoiled everyone here? Was it the brief four year stretch with Manning and then the national title?

Because you take that stretch away, and it mostly looks similar to today.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Bill Walton is so strange

 

[McGeesPub]

That was my point. He wouldn't last today, even though Tennessee was better off for having been patient with him in the long term. And my point was also that there have been some very recent examples in the SEC of coaches who have had wild first or second year success, only to quickly flame out.

Big picture: four years ain't quite enough, particularly when you're making bowl games, hanging around the top 25 and are in national conversation again. 6 or 7 (or a complete collapse losing season) and I'm with you.

The anti-Butch contingent on this board has lost their minds.

With the money involved in college football now, 4 years is most certainly enough to pull the trigger. I would imagine that even today though, someone like Johnny Majors or...Peyton Manning would be given more time, simply because they are Tennessee legends.

This is just a general statement. Again, nothing to do specifically with Butch Jones.

 

[csprig9]

The media needs to be fired, they are the root of the problem...all they do is stir **** up. Butch needs to tell volwuest, 24/7 and the local guys in knoxville to go pound sand. Without their rumors things would be a whole lot more pleasant...like hubbs or hyams yesterday, saying something about butch being open to a lateral.move.. that's bull**** and should have never been said

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

I like the sentiment of your post, but I think that for those who have already formed an opinion, which I'd guess is most of the posters on VN, why would a meaningless loss/win or two at the end of a season when SECCG hopes are gone and bowl eligibility is assured sway anyone? I'm keeping powder dry because I want Dave Hart to be long gone before the next hire is made, whether it's 12 months or 12 years from now. I do think the new AD needs to come in with a mentality that anything less than a 10-win 2017 regular season with or without SECCG is the floor for CBJ's job retention.

9-3 (with an early loss to GT, @Bama and to LSU) but we still win the East and you'd not retain Butch. Okay.