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[sigchig]

Our OL definitely DID NOT overachieve Saturday....
#63 Kendrick had a TERRIBLE day--all day--at LT....We need someone to step up and play well there.

And I am NOT happy about our failure to run the ball into the end-zone with a 1st and goal from the 2 yard line.

Why in the HADES do we have a 6'4" 240 lb Tailback if we are not going to line him up in a Power I and run the ball into the EZ....

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with having a JUMBO Goal-line package with Dobbs under center in a Power-I with the potential of banging HURD up in there...It would also enable you to run the reverse option and more RPO plays...that would utilize both Hurd and Dobbs in a better way.

It is sheer STUPIDITY to run a straight dive into the LOS with Hurd alone in the backfield without a lead blocker on the goal line!

And that little roll-out pass to Kamara is stale and EVERY ONE of our opponents will be able to defend it.

We are UT...and we should be able to run the ball into the end-zone against anyone with Hurd as our TB...

We need to get those issues corrected...

 

[Volsheriff]

This back is off the charts in stats this year but he has no videos available. It's a shame that he doesn't have the support system to get him some HUDL highlights or at least a friend or relative who could record his highlights and put them on YouTube. I hope he is camping some at the least.

 

[PowerOrange]

No one runs the power-I anymore.

Why would you put Dobbs under center and hinder his running ability? He is a monster when he sees that goaline. The oline is bad they aren't winning if Florida's front seven can tee off on them like they would with your suggestion.

The first series Croom dropped an easy touchdown. That is where the failure happened.

 

[volfanCLT]

I would love to see a FB in the I out there on short yardage situations.

Punch em in the mouth

 

[Vols4us]

No one runs the power-I anymore.

Why would you put Dobbs under center and hinder his running ability? He is a monster when he sees that goaline. The oline is bad they aren't winning if Florida's front seven can tee off on them like they would with your suggestion.

The first series Croom dropped an easy touchdown. That is where the failure happened.

You obviously didn't see what they did against NW in Tampa. Doesn't have to be a power I. It can be a single back set with an H-back if they do not want to use a fullback. The point is to have a lead blocker for Hurd.

 

[PowerOrange]

Whether we like it or not old man football is not this team's identity. We don't have the personnel for it.

With a bad oline our offense has still been productive last year and this year.

 

[SpringBokVol]

Truly, the storyline that UT made these huge adjustments on Offense and Florida suddenly forgot how to defend in the second half is completely false. The plays Debord drew up worked the whole game, we just had some bad drops in the first half. We should have beaten Florida by 3+ TDs.

100% This.

Loved this from the article I read:

The Vols needed a large comeback to win, but it's almost entirely their own fault that they were in that hole to begin with. That, I think, is the real story from this game.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Whether we like it or not old man football is not this team's identity. We don't have the personnel for it.

With a bad oline our offense has still been productive last year and this year.

if your OL isnt fit for it then theres even more reason not to get on the 1 yard line and go to the shotgun where you catch the snap at the 5 or 6 yard line when you only need a few inches. Makes zero sense.

 

[chavisut]

No one runs the power-I anymore.

Why would you put Dobbs under center and hinder his running ability? He is a monster when he sees that goaline. The oline is bad they aren't winning if Florida's front seven can tee off on them like they would with your suggestion.

The first series Croom dropped an easy touchdown. That is where the failure happened.

No one?

Doesn't even need to be an I.

 

[PowerOrange]

You obviously didn't see what they did against NW in Tampa. Doesn't have to be a power I. It can be a single back set with an H-back if they do not want to use a fullback. The point is to have a lead blocker for Hurd.

They have used h-backs as lead blockers some. NW was terrible, a few plays against them doesn't prove much. I did like the way it looked, though.

 

[Vols4us]

They have used h-backs as lead blockers some. NW was terrible, a few plays against them doesn't prove much. I did like the way it looked, though.

:hi:

I just think Butch gave it away in the presser. He acknowledged they have to do better in the red zone. His gap scheme doesn't work inside the 10 - it's too slow developing and without a lead blocker. The zone read needs more room to work well. So that means the power game if you are going to run the ball effectively.

I don't think the QB has to be under center, but it shortens the area the RB has to travel to hit an opening with the lead blocker doing the kick out on the first defender. They may pull it off fine in the pistol with the H-back or with a two back set. Butch/Debord will figure it out.

 

[PowerOrange]

if your OL isnt fit for it then theres even more reason not to get on the 1 yard line and go to the shotgun where you catch the snap at the 5 or 6 yard line when you only need a few inches. Makes zero sense.

Have we struggled with short yardage situations or in the redzone? No team is perfect. You see short yardage stops against all schemes. The purpose is to keep Dobbs as a running threat and not allow the defense to completely tee off on the oline.

It makes sense, imo. Whether you prefer it or a different method is up to you.

 

[PowerOrange]

We can use A&M vs Arkansas from last week as an example of other schemes failing.

Arkansas has a gigantic oline, full backs in, and TEs in. They are one yard away. Aggies stuff them everytime and it wasn't even close.

They even got a do over, because of a penalty. Four total runs= negative yardage.

It also happened in the second half. So 8 total runs plays needing one yard for the td= negative yardage.

 

[jspvol76]

Have we struggled with short yardage situations or in the redzone? No team is perfect. You see short yardage stops against all schemes. The purpose is to keep Dobbs as a running threat and not allow the defense to completely tee off on the oline.

It makes sense, imo. Whether you prefer it or a different method is up to you.

This is correct, but it is not working. Need to try something different.

 

[VolBalla2014]

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So....Florida loses basically EVERYONE on defense after this season.

My favorite part is Duke Dawson will be here another year. Dobbs picked on him all game

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Have we struggled with short yardage situations or in the redzone? No team is perfect. You see short yardage stops against all schemes. The purpose is to keep Dobbs as a running threat and not allow the defense to completely tee off on the oline.

It makes sense, imo. Whether you prefer it or a different method is up to you.

Nothing about the shotgun on the 1 makes sense when it's first down and you do it four straight plays. No sense at all.

 

[JAllen18]

If we had Sutton on Callaway instead of Martin, the first half would have been completely different.

Yes sir

 

[PowerOrange]

Nothing about the shotgun on the 1 makes sense when it's first down and you do it four straight plays. No sense at all.

The first play the oline didn't get any push and the third play they got destroyed. The second was an easy td that Croom dropped.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

The first play the oline didn't get any push and the third play they got destroyed. The second was an easy td that Croom dropped.

Get under center and lay across the line. Why get to the goaline just to catch the snap at the 6 when you know you cant block their front for more than a second at that point in the game. It's dumb football.

 

[SeanJean]

The first play the oline didn't get any push and the third play they got destroyed. The second was an easy td that Croom dropped.

It shouldn't be that complicated. Yeah Croom should have caught that pass, but you should line up under center 3 times and Hurd will score on one of them. Keep it simple. No need.

 

[PowerOrange]

Get under center and lay across the line. Why get to the goaline just to catch the snap at the 6 when you know you cant block their front for more than a second at that point in the game. It's dumb football.

I just think it would look even worse. Look at my Arkansas example. If a team that prides itself on that style of football can't do it against A&M then I don't believe we would do any better against Florida.

If we catch an easy throw and catch then it's a touchdown and no one is complaining about the shotgun. Execution was the problem.

 

[volssam]

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[PowerOrange]

It shouldn't be that complicated. Yeah Croom should have caught that pass, but you should line up under center 3 times and Hurd will score on one of them. Keep it simple. No need.

That is an assumption that is being taken as fact. Check the Arkansas game against A&M. Eight run attempts needing one yard equals negative yardage.

 

[SeanJean]

I just think it would look even worse. Look at my Arkansas example. If a team that prides itself on that style of football can't do it against A&M then I don't believe we would do any better against Florida.

If we catch an easy throw and catch then it's a touchdown and no one is complaining about the shotgun. Execution was the problem.

Not true. I'm always annoyed with the shotgun inside the 5 yard line. It is just idiotic and has the potential for more bad execution than lining up under center and giving the ball to your monster 230 lb tailback. It's about probabilities. No need to introduce more chances for mistakes to be made or for the play to be defended. Give your players the best chance to succeed and play to your strengths.

We have left far too many points on the field under Jones as a result of lining up in the shotgun inside the 5. It's just that much more annoying when you consider the size, style, and the talent of our tailback.

 

[SeanJean]

That is an assumption that is being taken as fact. Check the Arkansas game against A&M. Eight run attempts needing one yard equals negative yardage.

Arkansas does not have #1 at Tailback.

Also, I just checked, and Arkansas went with QB sneak plays and even a reverse. I'm not suggesting QB sneak plays, though those would also be an option given our personnel and strengths.