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volatil said:
So I watched the Finebaum interview of Saban. Did he really just say "end of discussion" ?

Dude thinks he is God. I heard a story about him when he first took the Bama job. A secretary in the AD complimented him in the hall about his haircut. Allegedly he told her to never speak to him without being spoken to. She was fired that day.

He flat out used the "innocent until proven guilty" excuse. One that he, and every school would rip rival schools to shreds for using.
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On the one hand, I can see why a coach goes to bat for his players and gives them the benefit of the doubt but, on the other, his holier than thou / woe is me / my guys were the victims / cops were disgruntled LSU fans routine towards Finebaum was complete b.s.

He's not suspending his #1 LT for anything less than a violent felony...with witnesses, a positive hit on a DNA kit, and video of the incident with CR opening stating "Hi, I'm Cam Robinson, LT for the University of Alabama, and I'm about to commit this violent felony..."
 
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In reality, Saban isn't doing anything every other school wouldnt do with a big opponent week 1. I think it was shady as heck how they got charges dropped but now that they are dropped he is doing what all coaches including Butch would do play the star vs a key team like USC
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
In reality, Saban isn't doing anything every other school wouldnt do with a big opponent week 1. I think it was shady as heck how they got charges dropped but now that they are dropped he is doing what all coaches including Butch would do play the star vs a key team like USC
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There are many schools out there that have suspended a player for less. I didn't like how the decision to not suspend the player was based on Saban's opinion of the evidence available. Innocent until proven guilty is fine. But, how many times have we seen a player suspended until the case is put forward with all the evidence? If the evidence shows he is free of guilt, the player is reinstated.
 
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LynxVol said:
There are many schools out there that have suspended a player for less. I didn't like how the decision to not suspend the player was based on Saban's opinion of the evidence available. Innocent until proven guilty is fine. But, how many times have we seen a player suspended until the case is put forward with all the evidence? If the evidence shows he is free of guilt, the player is reinstated.
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I could be misinformed as I have only seen headlines on this story as it went along but isn't it over with? I thought that was the whole big stink with the weird shady DA that was talking about air conditioning privilege. So I assumed case was closed already
 
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LynxVol said:
There are many schools out there that have suspended a player for less. I didn't like how the decision to not suspend the player was based on Saban's opinion of the evidence available. Innocent until proven guilty is fine. But, how many times have we seen a player suspended until the case is put forward with all the evidence? If the evidence shows he is free of guilt, the player is reinstated.
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Exactly. By Saban's logic all 8 players in the Title IX case should've been able to play. 6 of the 8 would've never missed a game because the case was dropped.

I'm all for standing by the kid and not kicking the them off the team, but playing time is what they want. If you take that away, they'll get the point.
 
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LynxVol said:
There are many schools out there that have suspended a player for less. I didn't like how the decision to not suspend the player was based on Saban's opinion of the evidence available. Innocent until proven guilty is fine. But, how many times have we seen a player suspended until the case is put forward with all the evidence? If the evidence shows he is free of guilt, the player is reinstated.
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I agree. To me, a coach should do his best to determine what really happened and then respond with discipline that reflects that. Evidence is important but there's a much lower burden of proof when deciding to suspend a player versus send them to jail and so the punishment can be quicker. If a player does something wrong and there's ten witnesses that all say pretty much the same thing, there's no reason for a coach to wait a year on a legal trial, they can take action immediately. If the legal process doesn't end in a conviction it doesn't mean the suspension (or kicking them off the team) was unwarranted. Saban is hiding behind the fact the DA isn't moving forward which is a total cop out. He should say that he reviewed everything that happened and feels an internal punishment is appropriate, and then defend that position.

We never know everything the coaches know. But in this situation, even if you think about the best case scenario for the players of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, it sure seems like a game or two suspension is warranted. It's also especially grating since this incident has brought out Saban's God complex and highlighted the way the media treats him with kid gloves.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
In reality, Saban isn't doing anything every other school wouldnt do with a big opponent week 1. I think it was shady as heck how they got charges dropped but now that they are dropped he is doing what all coaches including Butch would do play the star vs a key team like USC
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I disagree. Pig Howard would've still been playing had he played for Saban. Butch holds his players accountable.
 
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I asked this question on another board. Thought I would ask here for conversation.. This is a hypothetical question.

How would the current SEC coaches perform under this scenario?

What if: The NCAA had a cap on how many players a team could sign based on star composite rankings or whatnot.. Let's say out of 25 players signed, a team could only take two 5* max, three 4* max, twelve 3* and so on.. Just throwing some numbers for fun..

Anyway, would coaches like Saban still perform to the level their teams do each year with a balanced approach? I think you would be able to tell what coaches do the better job in player development one would think.

Not saying I advocate this, just for off season discussion based on endless debates on class rankings and all.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I disagree. Pig Howard would've still been playing had he played for Saban. Butch holds his players accountable.
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Yeah, I was gonna say...when has Butch EVER not suspended or dismissed a player?

Marlin Lane got into some trouble between 2013 and 2014, but IIRC, Butch stealthily suspended him during the offseason and reinstated him when it was clear charges wouldn't be brought against him.

Every other player who got in hot water was publicly suspended by Butch immediately.
 
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Mods, please move this pic if this is not the appropriate place for it.

Senior Payton Marie Miller painted this in honor of Coach Summitt. A very fitting tribute, I think.

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Aesius said:
Yeah, I was gonna say...when has Butch EVER not suspended or dismissed a player?

Marlin Lane got into some trouble between 2013 and 2014, but IIRC, Butch stealthily suspended him during the offseason and reinstated him when it was clear charges wouldn't be brought against him.

Every other player who got in hot water was publicly suspended by Butch immediately.
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Clearly Tennessee has a culture that is lax in discipline, while Georgia and Alabama are the exemplars we can look to, the ships that stand steady in the storm. We are lucky to have them in the conference.
 
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VoL The Impaler said:
I asked this question on another board. Thought I would ask here for conversation.. This is a hypothetical question.

How would the current SEC coaches perform under this scenario?

What if: The NCAA had a cap on how many players a team could sign based on star composite rankings or whatnot.. Let's say out of 25 players signed, a team could only take two 5* max, three 4* max, twelve 3* and so on.. Just throwing some numbers for fun..

Anyway, would coaches like Saban still perform to the level their teams do each year with a balanced approach? I think you would be able to tell what coaches do the better job in player development one would think.

Not saying I advocate this, just for off season discussion based on endless debates on class rankings and all.
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Mark Dantonio

Chip Kelly

Jim Harbaugh

Justin Fuente
 
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Ole Miss' Hugh Freeze: "I have zero interest in cutting corners to be successful."


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Aesius said:
Yeah, I was gonna say...when has Butch EVER not suspended or dismissed a player?

Marlin Lane got into some trouble between 2013 and 2014, but IIRC, Butch stealthily suspended him during the offseason and reinstated him when it was clear charges wouldn't be brought against him.

Every other player who got in hot water was publicly suspended by Butch immediately.
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apples to oranges. What I am saying is all coaches will play players that are cleared of all charges with no pending charges remaining. Yes Butch is great at immediately suspended players with pending issues. My point is if we had a future NFL LT on our team that had Cam Robinson situation and your opening game was against USC Trojans then you can't really think Butch or any coach in America wouldn't start him for game 1 with no more pending charges. Once charges are gone any coach is going to play the star. We as fans would also be relieved to have our future NFL player playing as well.
 
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