Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXIII

[JAllen18]

Bob Shoop to Tennessee makes sense for both parties.

Well connected in the mid state TN and will bolster recruiting.

 

[BigZiti09]

Well of course he won one here

20 years ago. A lot has changed. We can do better.

 

[BruinVol]

With less talent than UT has right now

Apples to oranges


You think CJJ would have better stats if he played that schedule?

 

[VolsnCards5]

Elite. Those rankings at Vandy are absurdly good. That was 2* talent.

Yep.

He's a HR...do it Butch

 

[Atzar]

We are extremely attractive to a DC.

Loaded up with young talent and star upperclassmen.

Absolutely. Great opportunity to come in and compete at the highest level right away. Butch may or may not 'already have his guy', but you have to imagine that a lot of great DCs will at least kick the tires to see if there's a fit.

 

[VolsnCards5]

Apples to oranges


You think CJJ would have better stats if he played that schedule?

The first three are with Vandy and inferior talent

 

[volfanCLT]

Bob Shoop to Tennessee makes sense for both parties.

Well connected in the mid state TN and will bolster recruiting.

If we somehow get Shoop and keep Sutton, JRM, Kamara.....

 

[WinginFlorida]

Geez, I go away from the board for a bit and you guys are shaking the staff up.

I don't think I ask too much...next time, give me a heads-up, okay?

 

[BigZiti09]

Well to their defense they are disagreeing with Wes

Yes and if you notice Wes's little comment he's making, it's soooooo We$.

"the worst kept secret in the world is....."

^^This is Wes's way of downplaying news that VQ was bringing weeks ago and Wes never was able to report.

 

[volfaninpa]

Get ready to look for a DB coach too.

Shoop coaches the secondary. If he is coming, I'd imagine that he might coach that position too and open up another person for the coaching staff.

 

[volfanCLT]

Apples to oranges


You think CJJ would have better stats if he played that schedule?

Shoop and CJJ aren't in the same category. You can try all you want, no way to spin it otherwise.

 

[VolsnCards5]

If we somehow get Shoop and keep Sutton, JRM, Kamara.....

I'm sure shoop recruited JRM way back when

 

[unioncityvol]

I am gona be in a Gump free zone all next week. Not watching game either. I'm glad the coaching thing is shaking down because I swore to no Volnation also. Just me and my gal. Over/under that I'm in the bathroom with the shower going checking this thread?

 

[volssam]

So here it goes. Guys, I loved Chief while he was here, but Jancek's 4th and 14 reminded me of Chief.

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[Aesius]

Yes and if you notice Wes's little comment he's making, it's soooooo We$.

"the worst kept secret in the world is....."

^^This is Wes's way of downplaying news that VQ was bringing weeks ago and Wes never was able to report.

Wes is a glorified Bleacher Report writer now. He writes clickbait all day and never breaks news.

 

[BruinVol]

Shoop and CJJ aren't in the same category. You can try all you want, no way to spin it otherwise.

What shoop did at Vandy was impressive

The Penn state numbers aren't anymore impressive to me than CJJ this year

 

[BigZiti09]

Elite. Those rankings at Vandy are absurdly good. That was 2* talent.

You always have to be cautious when looking at football stats on one side of the ball.

A big reason that Vandy's defensive stats are always good is because teams know that they can be vanilla and still beat them. A good coach knows that if he protects the ball and can score 21-24 points he can beat Vandy by 10 to 14 points without breaking a sweat.

It is part of the reason that our D looked good in our down years. Think back to Wilcox during the Dooley era. Or even Jancek's time here when we couldn't move the ball on O.

A bad offense can indirectly make the defensive numbers look good.

The number one thing that makes a defense great is "can they get stops when they need them most?"

JMO

 

[jordan4vols]

What are Penn State boards saying?

 

[unioncityvol]

3rd and Chavis, 4th and Jancek. But for real Chavis won us that trophy, along with a ton of talent.

 

[BruinVol]

I will be excited if we get shoop although I am not ready to instantly say it will make us better. The adjustment period might not translate.

On paper it would be an upgrade.

 

[volatil]

Bring that dynamic recruiter in now.

Watch all the cards fall.



Cue IT'S HAPPENING

 

[HankHill]

Wes is a glorified Bleacher Report writer now. He writes clickbait all day and never breaks news.

He is the worst. He tries to sound so smart and always tries to play the smarta$$ card. The bad thing is he has no actual knowledge of any sport actually X's and O's wise. He is like a generic wannabe Dan le betard except taller and looks more like Vincent vangoh

 

[VolsnCards5]

You always have to be cautious when looking at football stats on one side of the ball.

A big reason that Vandy's defensive stats are always good is because teams know that they can be vanilla and still beat them. A good coach knows that if he protects the ball and can score 21-24 points he can beat Vandy by 10 to 14 points without breaking a sweat.

It is part of the reason that our D looked good in our down years. Think back to Wilcox during the Dooley era. Or even Jancek's time here when we couldn't move the ball on O.

A bad offense can indirectly make the defensive numbers look good.

The number one thing that makes a defense great is "can they get stops when they need them most?"

JMO

This is a good point

 

[VolGee4]

Originally Posted by jasonvol18 View Post
Shop is also a secondary coach so possibly Martinez is out and opens up a QB Coach position. Curious to how this plays out. Got a feeling this isn't the last coaching change.

So, this was VFL34's response in the FF:

Your feelings serve you well..... -Obi wan kenobi

 

[Aesius]

You always have to be cautious when looking at football stats on one side of the ball.

A big reason that Vandy's defensive stats are always good is because teams know that they can be vanilla and still beat them. A good coach knows that if he protects the ball and can score 21-24 points he can beat Vandy by 10 to 14 points without breaking a sweat.

It is part of the reason that our D looked good in our down years. Think back to Wilcox during the Dooley era. Or even Jancek's time here when we couldn't move the ball on O.

A bad offense can indirectly make the defensive numbers look good.

The number one thing that makes a defense great is "can they get stops when they need them most?"

JMO

That's true, but here are Vandy's stats before Shoop arrived:

2003: 78th
2004: 72nd
2005: 74th
2006: 78th
2007: 13th
2008: 28th
2009: 64th
2010: 92nd

So they had a couple of decent years, but were mostly terrible before he arrived. He made it consistently good. It also tanked to 64th the year after he left, although that could be due to Mason switching to the 3-4.