Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XIV

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amazingGRACE said:
Getting to watch the replay now..yeesh Worley was awful last night.
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Yeah it felt like he forced a lot more last night trying to make a play. Those two first half ints killed us. Took points off for us & gave them points. Easily could have been 10-7 us at the half.
 
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In the end, my view on the OL would be different if I hadn't seen this before. But we are replaying the 2010 and 2011 seasons, when we had similar youth and inexperience along the OL. When I set my own expectations for this season, I looked back at the high volume of sacks and the difficulty we had running the ball in those years. I also read all of the unbiased projections for this season by CFB writers who said we would really struggle replacing all 5 OL starters at once.

I'm not at all surprised by the difficulty we are having. Game to game I find it frustrating to watch and there are times I think it's worse than I thought it would be but big picture we are exactly where I thought we'd be at this point in the year.
 
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This is a link to a rather long article by a former BYU player trying to figure out BYU's recent struggles (they lost to the same USU team that we beat)--blame the coaches or the players.

Deep Shades of Blue – BYU Football – BYU Basketball – BYU Recruiting » Blog Archive » Do BYU’s Coaches Really Suck?

Two of the better quotes,

"Who do you think is more likely to not quite be holding up their end of the bargain? Coach Mendenhall? A professional, experienced coach, with a proven track record of success and knowledge of the game? A guy who arrives before anyone to work and leaves last? A guy whose peers invariably praise him as a knowledgeable and worthy coach, a master of defensive strategy, a guru, if you will? A guy who embodies BYU football and its mission? Is this the guy more likely to be coming up short?

Or would that be the 21 year old college kid? An amateur football player, who is still figuring out what it means and what it takes to be successful? Who probably doesn’t even have a good understanding of what has made him a good football player to this point? Who might be a little immature and groan inside at the thought of a little extra work, a little extra film time? Who might be prone to fall asleep in meetings? Who might, on account of his athletic prowess and success to this point, just feel a little bit entitled to success without really earning it at the college level?

Kind of seems silly that we assume that the professional grownup is always the one messing things up doesn’t it?"

Here's the second:

"In another part of the field on this same play, an offensive lineman might block his man well enough for the quarterback not to get sacked, but if the quarterback has to avoid the pressure to make the throw, the chances go down of the play working well. For his part, the quarterback might be so adept at avoiding the pressure, making a quick read on the go and making an accurate pass that it negates an occasional poor block by his lineman. And poorly run route can sometimes be saved by an impeccable pass. But if all three of these components are being executed well, you can see how much higher chance the play has of success...

Success in football, like in any ultra-competitive field, hangs on the edge of a knife. The slightest tweak can cause things to go off the rails, like pretty much happened against Utah State. It was a case of a couple things barely going wrong, which had an enormous impact on the outcome of the game. A couple of little things will always go wrong. When you execute things so well that you have a larger margin for error, you can overcome things like tipped passes, bad calls, or tight coverage."

He also spoke of coach's attentions to details, how to do warmups correctly and even how to huddle (when he played for the Colts).

Sorry for the length, but I thought it was an interesting article which touched on some of the same points we've been debating all year with this team.
 
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BleedorangeinGA said:
Mike, friendly question. If experience trumps talent (your words) why arent we starting the more experienced players we currently have.

Again, I'm not trying to say we should have beat Ole Miss. I am saying there is zero reason to have 0 rushing yards. Not one viable excuse can be justified to be that bad in run blocking or pass pro.
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Because those guys who have experience lack talent. Plus the real experienced guys left last year all at the same time so others really had little experience.
 
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chavisut said:
Just pointing out the S&C point is overstated.
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Not really at all. Granted that just because a guy can lift weights will not make him a football player. But, a football player going against another football player and the other one had had 3 plus years in a program and the other is in his first and having to play instead of building up his strength will get blown up. Also, playing out of position for the guys at tackle just makes it worse. Horrible situation.
 
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JacketVol said:
Not really at all. Granted that just because a guy can lift weights will not make him a football player. But, a football player going against another football player and the other one had had 3 plus years in a program and the other is in his first and having to play instead of building up his strength will get blown up. Also, playing out of position for the guys at tackle just makes it worse. Horrible situation.
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As I said, we've had three with four years all year.
 
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Vols4us said:
Thanks, Smokey! That is my 16 month old grandson! First grandchild. Spoiled rotten.
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Oops, my bad. Thought he was your son. :blush2:

Yeah..children deserved to be spoiled, wouldn't have it any other way. My pets are my children and they are spoiled, have the run of the house.
 
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