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jjay2518 said:
What strong fronts has their offensive system performed well against? The only one they play in the arena league that is the PAC 12. Is Stanford. Sometimes they win, and sometimes they don't. The offense never looks good in those games though.

What's so unfair about questioning whether they system can work in a league where you play against the best DLs in the country most weeks?
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Yet they are consistently ranked in the top ten. Football is football . ECU is beating teams with their system. Doesn't matter the division. It's good coaching,players and match ups. Norte Dame runs a similar system. They win games. We are in our second year with a new line and our expectation is high because these coaches have gotten the most out of these players and we want more.
 
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jjay2518 said:
So do you think this system can work consistently in the SEC? Oregon is the best example of a team built for it, but are there examples of them putting up big numbers against a team with a big, talented, athletic DL? Stanford consistently shuts them down, and so did Auburn with Nick Fairley. It makes me wonder if the Oregon system can be totally effective in the SEC that is known for its defensive fronts.
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Personally, I do. Alabama's offense is built around the same running scheme that ours is, they just use more 2 TE sets. Florida, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and South Carolina, among others, have had recent success in the SEC using a "spread" offense built around the zone running game.

Oregon lost to Auburn because Fairley and the Auburn DL beat the Oregon OL. That's not scheme, that's talent. Stanford "consistently" shutting Oregon down is a myth. Besides his last year there, Kelly's Oregon teams always put up huge numbers vs Stanford.

Ultimately it just comes down to the talent you have. The scheme is fundamentally sound. If your offensive line is better than their defensive line, you'll usually win no matter what the scheme is.
WinginFlorida said:
I don't want to accuse you of not having listened to the presser live, but if you haven't, I think everyone should take a step back and realize we're missing a great deal of context when we simply read tweets and summaries of what is actually being said.

And, I'd bet the farm he is far more disappointed and frustrated from the events on Saturday, not whether fans are up in arms on message boards or what is being asked in the post -mortem press conference.
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You are right, I didn't listen to the press conference. I made assumptions based on the quotes I read here. I know that can lead to misunderstanding what was really said, so I apologize for commenting on Jones' comments.

That being said, those comments come across like Jones is, to a degree, frustrated with fans making incorrect assumptions about the offense. And in general, I agree with him. It even frustrates me when I hear fans who have no idea what is going on down on the field, but think they do, criticize our coaches and scheme. So I can only imagine how much it could annoy the guy who is actually coaching the team. However, it probably isn't a good idea to come across hostile.
 
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darkgable said:
Yet they are consistently ranked in the top ten. Football is football . ECU is beating teams with their system. Doesn't matter the division. It's good coaching,players and match ups. Norte Dame runs a similar system. They win games. We are in our second year with a new line and our expectation is high because these coaches have gotten the most out of these players and we want more.
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And none of those teams play anything near the DLs we do. Only time will tell.
 
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jjay2518 said:
So do you think this system can work consistently in the SEC? Oregon is the best example of a team built for it, but are there examples of them putting up big numbers against a team with a big, talented, athletic DL? Stanford consistently shuts them down, and so did Auburn with Nick Fairley. It makes me wonder if the Oregon system can be totally effective in the SEC that is known for its defensive fronts.
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Auburn won the SEC last year with a similar system...and the National championship a few years back with a similar system...Texas A&M has done it well...Florida under Meyer.

Geeez some of you guys have freakin horrible memories. It's like we are back to "Urban Meyer's spread will never work in the SEC" garbage. Clearly it can work just fine.

The problem surely can't be a lack of talent...

you guys are on top of it...you have it figured out...this stupid spread crap will NEVER work.
 
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jjay2518 said:
And none of those teams play anything near the DLs we do. Only time will tell.
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That's true but you people making blanket statements that it won't work in the sec. The plays we run are ran by other teams in the sec. Many teams use a TE in place of a FB. We aren't doing anything unique to tennessee .
 
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jjay2518 said:
And none of those teams play anything near the DLs we do. Only time will tell.
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This is the point many are missing. Apples to apples matters. SEC D's are the best, period. Even the worst ones are better than many of the best in other conferences.
 
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darkgable said:
I didn't see him attacking the media. I think you guys prefer the same old coach speak every week. He didn't give that. He was defending what he does. That doesn't bother me. I want him angry at this loss. I want him to tell the media they dont get it. Because they don't. Only Butch his staff and players truly know what's going on. He is not satisfied with the product and he keeps grinding . If he's agitated over this loss that means he's going back to work to keep grinding . I like that. Scr@w coach speak.
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I agree. Butch has done everything right by this fan base as far as I'm concerned. The guy has bent over backwards to accommodate and compliment this fan base. He has worked hard to get our past Vol favorites back in the fold. He has recruited the University of Tennessee and seems thrilled to be here. Now people are nitpicking a comment made in a press conference. We are ridiculous some times...cut off our nose to spite our face.

Having said that, the coaching staff could have had a better game. However, at some point these kids have to learn how to finish and not crap the bed.
 
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darkgable said:
That's true but you people making blanket statements that it won't work in the sec. The plays we run are ran by other teams in the sec. Many teams use a TE in place of a FB. We aren't doing anything unique to tennessee .
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Who you calling "you people"

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Vols4us said:
Truth.

To repeat this has nothing to do with not wanting Butch to be our HC and many of the things he and the staff are doing. Overall great job in every area except offense and in-game decisions. The OC, O-line coach, and receivers coach are underperforming. It is obvious to experts as well as amateurs alike. It's just the buck stops with him and he makes $3+ million of them to address issues that have existed for 17 games with his coaching staff.

Message to Butch: Address them and move on. Toughen up on your hired staff and the underperforming players - not the fan base. Recruiting will suffer if you don't.
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Some of y'all are sensitive if you let his presser comments rustle your jimmies
 
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Some comedic relief:

Florida Senator Marco Rubio tweeted after the game:

@marcorubio: Proud of but not surprised by @t5_harris leading #Gators to win. This young man is a winner both on and off the field

Might want to delete that lol
 
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Vols4us said:
This is the point many are missing. Apples to apples matters. SEC D's are the best, period. Even the worst ones are better than many of the best in other conferences.
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Auburn
A&M
Mississippi St.
UF under Meyer
USCe to some extent

There's your apple to apple
 
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One thing I will say about Mississippi State is that several of the guys making plays for them now are guys that Mullen beat Dooley for. Accurate names escape me but I recognize them from guys Dooley lost out on.
 
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C-town Vol said:
Auburn
A&M
Mississippi St.
UF under Meyer
USCe to some extent

There's your apple to apple
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What AU runs is on a whole nother level IMO. Mullen is a good example both at FL and now at MSU, as well as USCe with Shaw. I'm blinded by my Vol insecurity.
 
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C-town Vol said:
I agree. Butch has done everything right by this fan base as far as I'm concerned. The guy has bent over backwards to accommodate and compliment this fan base. He has worked hard to get our past Vol favorites back in the fold. He has recruited the University of Tennessee and seems thrilled to be here. Now people are nitpicking a comment made in a press conference. We are ridiculous some times...cut off our nose to spite our face.

Having said that, the coaching staff could have had a better game. However, at some point these kids have to learn how to finish and not crap the bed.
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Auburn is really the furthest from what we do of the "spread" teams, because they are more 2-back and use a lot of gap runs. Also much more run heavy.

USCe, Ole Miss, MSU are very comparable to what we're trying to do. A&M to a certain extent.
 
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jjay2518 said:
Some comedic relief:

Florida Senator Marco Rubio tweeted after the game:

@marcorubio: Proud of but not surprised by @t5_harris leading #Gators to win. This young man is a winner both on and off the field

Might want to delete that lol
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May want to slow your roll and let's see if the young man is guilty first.
 
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