Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XIV

[jjay2518]

I hate to keep posting about this one topic, but here is one last comment on this article.

The two statements from Kelly that stand out to me the most are these.

"The inside zone is our “go to work” play. It has become or signature play. We want to get off the ball and be a physical, downhill-running football team. This is not a finesse play…. We want to come off the ball, create a double team, knock the crap out of a defender, and deposit him in the linebacker’s lap."

"This may sound like a contradiction, but we do not read anything. When you read, you become uncertain. We want the ball in the running back’s hands. We do not want the quarterback carrying the ball. The option can put the ball in his hands, but the defense can force it out of his hands. We want the quarterback to give the ball unless he cannot."

Both of these completely apply to our offense. I'd say Butch would agree 100% with these 2 statements, but I think both of these are overlooked by some fans.

The zone run game is downhill and physical. Even though we run the "spread," we want to be a power football team. This offense is not designed to get the quarterback runs. He is to hand off the ball unless he absolutely can not.

So do you think this system can work consistently in the SEC? Oregon is the best example of a team built for it, but are there examples of them putting up big numbers against a team with a big, talented, athletic DL? Stanford consistently shuts them down, and so did Auburn with Nick Fairley. It makes me wonder if the Oregon system can be totally effective in the SEC that is known for its defensive fronts.

 

[volinexile17]

If our QB lined up under center and just turned around he would be able to give the ball to the RB 100% of the time. The line can still be doing whatever to deposit someone in the LB's lap.

I think we've lined up under center once the season. The result: a fumble in the endzone.

 

[Big Vol Sack]

Comparing Butch to Dooley is asinine
1. Look at our running backs. Who do we have between Marlin Lane and Jalen Hurd
2. OL recruiting was a joke.
3. TE recruiting was a joke.
4. Don't get me started with his defensive recruiting.
It's like we have been in a ****ty dream that we can't wake up from.

I haven't had time to read back a lot of pages, why do we continue to bring Dooley up? Who is actually comparing Butch and Dooley?

 

[vol2002]

Trashing CBJ and this coaching staff and comparing them with Dooley is ridiculous. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Hand in your Vol cards. You deserve a loser IMO.

I'm 100% on the CBJ train. He'll get us back to prominence. While you guys are whining and complaining, I'll be enjoying the ridiculous bus loads of talent CBJ is hauling in.

 

[OrangeBlood4life]

To throw salt on the wound. I read that UT has lost 11 or 12 straight coin tosses. They said better chance of being struck by lightning

 

[zhangliao04]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but with the Treon Harris case...could this have an affect on last saturdays game? I assume that if it is proven he was ineligible for our game then it should have been forfeit once they put him in. Am I right?

Also, has any news come out for what he got in trouble for?

 

[Dust10]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but with the Treon Harris case...could this have an affect on last saturdays game? I assume that if it is proven he was ineligible for our game then it should have been forfeit once they put him in. Am I right?

Also, has any news come out for what he got in trouble for?

I believe the incident occurred Sunday morning.

Edit: And he is accused of sexual assault.

 

[JAllen18]

I agree, that comparing Dooley to Butch Jones is idiotic. Butch is nothing like the loser that Dooley is.

 

[LynxVol]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but with the Treon Harris case...could this have an affect on last saturdays game? I assume that if it is proven he was ineligible for our game then it should have been forfeit once they put him in. Am I right?

Also, has any news come out for what he got in trouble for?

Accusations are based on events occurring after the game. It won't affect anything about the game if true.

 

[Ashevillevol]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but with the Treon Harris case...could this have an affect on last saturdays game? I assume that if it is proven he was ineligible for our game then it should have been forfeit once they put him in. Am I right?

Also, has any news come out for what he got in trouble for?

We should be so lucky. But we would probably have just as much chance at pointing out to the officials that the play clock was at zero before they kicked their FG

 

[thomaseusin]

Is anybody surprised that Marlin Lane hasn't done more to this point?

And yes I know he's been banged up and our OL sucks, but I just thought he would've been more effective up to this point.

I think you just answered your own question

 

[zhangliao04]

Accusations are based on events occurring after the game. It won't affect anything about the game if true.

I believe the incident occurred Sunday morning.

Edit: And he is accused of sexual assault.

Yeah, that would have zero to do with our game. This type of ish is getting old. The dudes committing this junk need to grow up.

 

[zhangliao04]

We should be so lucky. But we would probably have just as much chance at pointing out to the officials that the play clock was at zero before they kicked their FG

Again sorry for my ignorance on the matter, but can nothing be done about this? The video of UF making a field goal after time runs out against UK and now us is clear to see and is all over the internet. Same with the holding from the Oklahoma OL. Why is this university just sitting still not ding anything? (At least to my knowledge)

 

[Vol Revolver]

Not trying to be a smarta** but what kind of plays would you call that would help a freshman OT that is getting blown out by a D-Lineman? From what I could see at the game there was more than one O-Lineman that had problems blocking. Add to that our receivers couldn't get open to help open up the running game. I believe that Pig Howard was the only receiver that could get open and he's our shortest WR.

And it's not just the freshman. Teams are getting a push up front so that Worley can't step up and avoid the pressure from the outside rush. It's really a cluster F+#k up front. The backs and TE are trying to help but they can only pick 1 rusher and the pressure is coming from everywhere a lot of the time. Max protect only lets you run 2 or 3 man routes, so I don't man. I guess we just need to bring in SEC talent would be the only thing I can think of. You can only run so many screens, draws and quick hitters.

 

[darkgable]

You are wrong, you never want the coaching staff calling out a fan base or media. I respectfully agree with Vols Sack. You are way too wound up and can't see the coaching staff let one clearly slip away Saturday.

I didn't see him attacking the media. I think you guys prefer the same old coach speak every week. He didn't give that. He was defending what he does. That doesn't bother me. I want him angry at this loss. I want him to tell the media they dont get it. Because they don't. Only Butch his staff and players truly know what's going on. He is not satisfied with the product and he keeps grinding . If he's agitated over this loss that means he's going back to work to keep grinding . I like that. Scr@w coach speak.

 

[darkgable]

So do you think this system can work consistently in the SEC? Oregon is the best example of a team built for it, but are there examples of them putting up big numbers against a team with a big, talented, athletic DL? Stanford consistently shuts them down, and so did Auburn with Nick Fairley. It makes me wonder if the Oregon system can be totally effective in the SEC that is known for its defensive fronts.

Oregon is consistently in the top ten to fifteen year in and out. I'll take that. They beat Stanford this year. They lost in a national championship game. But it was a national championship game. What's the question?

 

[HialeahGator]

So I drop in here after a few hours and its meltdown 2.0 again. All because of a press conference?

On another note, of course its our luck that that reason(s) Florida beats us gets busted for rape directly after playing us. We are the most snake bitten program in the last 10 years.

Rape?

Jumping to conclusions much?

 

[Dust10]

Rape?

Jumping to conclusions much?

If I'm wrong, I will apologize. However, considering he has already been suspended, I'm pretty sure I'm not off base. It will have to take her coming out and saying she made a false allegation to convince me, none of this Jameis Winston declining to prosecute ish.

 

[jjay2518]

Oregon is consistently in the top ten to fifteen year in and out. I'll take that. They beat Stanford this year. They lost in a national championship game. But it was a national championship game. What's the question?

What strong fronts has their offensive system performed well against? The only one they play in the arena league that is the PAC 12. Is Stanford. Sometimes they win, and sometimes they don't. The offense never looks good in those games though.

What's so unfair about questioning whether they system can work in a league where you play against the best DLs in the country most weeks?

 

[WinginFlorida]

He's coming across frustrated because the fans are questioning him, not because he's upset we lost. That's not a positive thing.

Not to say he isn't upset we lost; that was clear Saturday.

I don't want to accuse you of not having listened to the presser live, but if you haven't, I think everyone should take a step back and realize we're missing a great deal of context when we simply read tweets and summaries of what is actually being said.

And, I'd bet the farm he is far more disappointed and frustrated from the events on Saturday, not whether fans are up in arms on message boards or what is being asked in the post -mortem press conference.

 

[Vols4us]

You are over exaggerating. Lets deal in specifics, with the current state of Florida football, the game at home, up 9 late in the game the coaching staff is 100% responsible for losing this game.

Let’s not talk in all hypothetical. Let’s just look at Saturday alone. Nobody is saying Butch isn’t the guy, or is Dooley 2.0. Anyone with any football knowledge will agree our lack of offensive adjustments, protection packages and play calling did contribute more than anything in the loss to Florida.

Truth.

To repeat this has nothing to do with not wanting Butch to be our HC and many of the things he and the staff are doing. Overall great job in every area except offense and in-game decisions. The OC, O-line coach, and receivers coach are underperforming. It is obvious to experts as well as amateurs alike. It's just the buck stops with him and he makes $3+ million of them to address issues that have existed for 17 games with his coaching staff.

Message to Butch: Address them and move on. Toughen up on your hired staff and the underperforming players - not the fan base. Recruiting will suffer if you don't.

 

[Ashevillevol]

The QB gives it to the RB 100% of the time anyways. This is why the under center vs. shotgun debate really is irrelevant.

My point was if you want the RB to have the ball just turn around and give it to him instead of waltzing down the line together like conjoined twins connected at the football waiting on the end to commit. It just gives the rest of the defense time to all be there when the QB finally lets go of it.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Rape?

Jumping to conclusions much?

Unrelated topic but those floodgates you were talking about seem to be having trouble opening as Freeze is about to steal CeCe

Ole miss back to the trick of a year ago where they get a SEC rival lock on campus and steal them out of nowhere. Almost like he took a recruiting break last yr to make people think he was clean and get NCAA off his back.

 

[HialeahGator]

Unrelated topic but those floodgates you were talking about seem to be having trouble opening as Freeze is about to steal CeCe

Ole miss back to the trick of a year ago where they get a SEC rival lock on campus and steal them out of nowhere. Almost like he took a recruiting break last yr to make people think he was clean and get NCAA off his back.

Lol Cece isn't going to Ole Miss. He was st UF lastnite after returning home.

Don't get trolled .

 

[Vol knight]

I haven't had time to read back a lot of pages, why do we continue to bring Dooley up? Who is actually comparing Butch and Dooley?

Read the game thread in the FF and you'll see.