Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XII

[ACvol3]

I want Boom to stay at Florida. We do not want them to land a top coach.

There is no reason why Florida should not be a top 5 team every year, with the amount of talent that they have so close to their school.

What was going on there before spurrier then? I agree with u by the way.. It's just weird.

 

[ob79]

What was going on there before spurrier then? I agree with u by the way.. It's just weird.

Same can be said about us...only it would apply to before the Great Depression.

All it takes is one really great coach with great success and sustainability.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

Do you guys think that Butch was this much of a recruiting wiz at Central Michigan and Cincy, but just didn't have much success pulling in big name guys due to the schools he was coaching at?

I would love to hear some stories about his recruiting tactics back then.

Well, Butch can't legitimately be credited for his later development, but Butch and his staff recruited Eric Fisher, who was the top overall draft pick of 2013, to Central Michigan and coached Fisher during his freshman season. Coming out of high school, Fisher was a 242-pound, 2-star tight end prospect, who received very few college scholarship offers. Here is an excellent article on Fisher's recruitment and a couple of other diamond-in-the-rough prospects that Butch landed at CMU: Projecting OTs is a tricky business - CBSSports.com. Bruce Feldman, the author of this article, described Joe Staley as a "2-star tight end" prospect when Butch recruited him to CMU. Staley went on to achieve All-Pro honors at offensive tackle for the 49ers following the 2011 and 2012 seasons.

 

[jave36]

Re: jave in the Tim Settle thread... I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the WR unit this year.

I don't think Z is bad. But his resume isn't even close to the best on staff. It's closer to the worst.

 

[usat&f]

Not that we were outmatched but...does the North Carolina game ring a bell?

I'm not saying that was right--at least not North Carolina--but if we were ever going to opt out of a series, why the hell would it have been a comparable team (North Carolina) and not one of the juggernauts, already on our schedule (Oregon and Oklahoma)??

Because recruits want to play in big games against big name opponents. So playing them shows that you aren't afraid to go head to head with the big boys.

Also, where Tennessee is at right now (young), you can spin outcomes different ways. A win gets you "Look at what we were able to do with such a young team." A close loss gets you "We're almost there, just need a few more pieces to get us over the hump and you're it." A big loss goes "We aren't afraid of anyone. Took a young team to their place and gave it all we got. But we're lacking right now and need your talents." Or something like that. Hell I dunno but Butch would know how to do it.


Also, like 005 said. You're going to tell your team that you know they're going to get blown out so why bother playing? Yeah, good luck with the rest of the season (especially through the SEC) after you've lost your team's respect on that one.

 

[vol2002]

Do you guys think that Butch was this much of a recruiting wiz at Central Michigan and Cincy, but just didn't have much success pulling in big name guys due to the schools he was coaching at?

I think this is absolutely right. Seems to me this is one (of many) ways collegiate football is different than basketball. I think an elite coach at a lesser school in basketball can land elite players. In football, you need the facilities and support of the university (coupled with an elite coach) to attract the elite players.

That said, I think I've read CBJ landed some of the highest ranked classes in Cincy history (although I could be wrong there).

 

[ob79]

Because recruits want to play in big games against big name opponents. So playing them shows that you aren't afraid to go head to head with the big boys.

Also, where Tennessee is at right now (young), you can spin outcomes different ways. A win gets you "Look at what we were able to do with such a young team." A close loss gets you "We're almost there, just need a few more pieces to get us over the hump and you're it." A big loss goes "We aren't afraid of anyone. Took a young team to their place and gave it all we got. But we're lacking right now and need your talents." Or something like that. Hell I dunno but Butch would know how to do it.


Also, like 005 said. You're going to tell your team that you know they're going to get blown out so why bother playing? Yeah, good luck with the rest of the season (especially through the SEC) after you've lost your team's respect on that one.

I'm going to tell recruits that I will put them in opportunities to have the highest likelihood of success.

The VA Tech game at Bristol? You bet!
A home and away series (at the point we were at as a program) with Oregon? Not a chance.

Not all recruits want to be embarrassed on a national stage just for the sake of being national television.

Pulling out of a fight that you're not prepared for is the RIGHT call...again, it's understanding your limitations not enabling them.

 

[BigVol80]

I'm going to tell recruits that I will put them in opportunities to have the highest likelihood of success.

The VA Tech game at Bristol? You bet!
A home and away series (at the point we were at as a program) with Oregon? Not a chance.

Not all recruits want to be embarrassed on a national stage just for the sake of being national television.

Pulling out of a fight that you're not prepared for is the RIGHT call...again, it's understanding your limitations not enabling them.

I don't think athletes at this level go into any game thinking they do not have a shot at winning.

 

[ob79]

Also, where Tennessee is at right now (young), you can spin outcomes different ways. A win gets you "Look at what we were able to do with such a young team." A close loss gets you "We're almost there, just need a few more pieces to get us over the hump and you're it." A big loss goes "We aren't afraid of anyone. Took a young team to their place and gave it all we got. But we're lacking right now and need your talents." Or something like that. Hell I dunno but Butch would know how to do it.

You can spin anything you want off the field not ON it.

 

[ob79]

I don't think athletes at this level go into any game thinking they do not have a shot at winning.

Most of them have enough football intelligence to understand what a 35+ point spread means on their chances, though.

 

[WriterVol]

I get wanting to pump the brakes on scheduling the national power teams right now for UT. I just can't really stomach taking teams off your schedule once they are there. It seems so...unfootball.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

I get wanting to pump the brakes on scheduling the national power teams right now for UT. I just can't really stomach taking teams off your schedule once they are there. It seems so...unfootball.

I agree.

Once you schedule them, play the game. Now would I have rather seen a couple more UNC's or NC States on the schedule in 2013/2014/2015 and a little less of Oregon or the Oklahoma's? Yeah. 3-4 years from now, I'd expect we would rather more big games coming around.

 

[ob79]

I get wanting to pump the brakes on scheduling the national power teams right now for UT. I just can't really stomach taking teams off your schedule once they are there. It seems so...unfootball.

I actually agree but my stomach would rather endure some chiding from College Football pundits and rivals in the off season for moving us from a game where we're 5+ touchdown underdogs, to one that we're just one or two...rather than stomach yet another losing season.

Ok, I've beaten this dead horse long enough. Carry on.

 

[ChiTownVol]

All this chest thumping and bravado is great on game day, but scheduling is a different matter. If our rivals aren't playing powerhouse OOC schedules, why should we put ourselves at a disadvantage while we are trying to rebuild our program? Also, didn't Fulmer schedule the OU series? A LOT has changed since then.
Debate is a good thing and everyone should have their own opinion. I just think a bowl game would mean so much more to UT at this point than another moral victory against a stronger opponent.

 

[butchna]

WAIT!!! :stop: I think you were just beginning to change some min......?





nm. :gone:

 

[usat&f]

You can spin anything you want off the field not ON it.

What does that even mean?

 

[usat&f]

Most of them have enough football intelligence to understand what a 35+ point spread means on their chances, though.

They know their chances but they also know anything can happen. And they'll want to be underdog who took down a giant. Again, you don't tell your team "Yeah we're just going to buy this game out because you aren't good enough to compete." That's just flat out stupid.

 

[butchna]

All this chest thumping and bravado is great on game day, but scheduling is a different matter. If our rivals aren't playing powerhouse OOC schedules, why should we put ourselves at a disadvantage while we are trying to rebuild our program? Also, didn't Fulmer schedule the OU series? A LOT has changed since then.
Debate is a good thing and everyone should have their own opinion. I just think a bowl game would mean so much more to UT at this point than another moral victory against a stronger opponent.

Doesn't matter WHEN it was scheduled...our AD ain't going to fork out a chunk of money to buy it out THREE MONTHS from the play date!

 

[usat&f]

I'm going to tell recruits that I will put them in opportunities to have the highest likelihood of success.

The VA Tech game at Bristol? You bet!
A home and away series (at the point we were at as a program) with Oregon? Not a chance.

Not all recruits want to be embarrassed on a national stage just for the sake of being national television.

Pulling out of a fight that you're not prepared for is the RIGHT call...again, it's understanding your limitations not enabling them.

What?

Yeah, playing VT at a neutral site would give you a better probability of winning. And that's a good idea for a big name game in the future. But recruits would rather take on Oregon and have a chance to take them down.

Buying out a game that is already scheduled is just flat out stupid, even if it is a game you'll likely lose. You'll look scared and recruits won't like that. Getting embarrassed doesn't look good to recruits, but backing out of a game already on the schedule looks worse. If a recruit is interested in a team, guaranteed they know enough about the team to know if they even had a shot or not.

I'm also not saying you need to load up future schedules with powerhouses. In this age of football, especially with the playoff, you need at least one signature win outside of conference. Especially when you're Tennessee (and Miami, my team) and you're trying to get back to being a powerhouse. This means playing one of the better teams out of the top 4 or 5 conferences. The other games can be Arkansas St's of the world.

 

[JohnMarxism]

You know they're gonna go with some young up and coming offensive mind. The last 2 times they've done that (Spurrier,Meyer) they've turned into a powerhouse while their defensive hires (Zook/Muschamp) haven't come close to that success.

Let's hope UT beats the piss out of UF but they win enough to keep Chump around.

Good thing Georgia Southern isn't on Florida's schedule this year

 

[Maxwell]

Doesn't matter WHEN it was scheduled...our AD ain't going to fork out a chunk of money to buy it out THREE MONTHS from the play date!

This is exactly right. This kind of talk adds nothing to our program or outsiders impression of Tennessee. The game is so close that this kind of talk needs to be dropped. Once it is scheduled you play it. Tennessee should not be running from anyone on the schedule. Our program should have too much pride for that. If we cannot compete then get better or do not schedule it to begin with.

 

[Ashevillevol]

If we beat UF that would probably be enough to get him fired on its own.

As for buying out teams on our schedule, that is just cowardly. Man up and take your licks if you have to. We will work past it and then it will be our turn to pass out the beat downs.

 

[WarMachine]

No way we can get out of a game this close to game time and think we can fill it with a "nobody" type team. I know UT doesn't have the same "fear factor" for other schools right now, but Alabama is having trouble finding an opponent for 2015 to fill out their schedule because Saban was convinced we'd have a 9th conference game by 2015.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaa...e-finding-a-12th-game-for-2015-164338319.html

 

[Ericvol2096]

ESPN certainly doesn't think much about our O.

QB - 9
RB - 13
WR/TE - 8
OL - 13

Avg - 10.75

So they think we have the ~11th best offense in the SEC. I mean this team is getting severly undervalued. I don't think we are going to win more than 6 or 7 games but man do we have the least media respect ever right now.

 

[HialeahGator]

Bill King retweeted someone and agreed that Florida is about to face some serious recruiting allegations in this case.

Lol this all about a bump. The irony is that of all people the son of Pete Carrol was the guy who reported it. Lol
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