Recruiting Forum: Football Talk VII

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StoVol said:
Manziels story isn't written yet, but he's already blown tebows and newtons numbers out of the water. Fastest ever to 5000, 6,000, and 7,000 yards in only 18 games. It's ridiculous what he's doing.
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Not really when you consider the rules that favor the ffense heavily. Also if you want to talk about stats, Case Keenum put stats that make Manziels look stupid. Manziel is an above average QB that without Evans would have pedestrian numbers. What he is doing has been done before. Oh and since you mentioned Newton and Tebow, so what he broke their records? They both won national championships and Cam went undefeated. Manziel has done neither.
 
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StoVol said:
Did keenum match any of this? Lol comparing him to keenum.

NCAA records & notes
FBS Freshman record: rushing yards by a quarterback, season (1,410)[5]
FBS Freshman record: total offense, season (5,116)[5]
10th Most Single Season Total Offensive yards in NCAA FBS history. [51]
Most games with 300+ passing yards and 100+ rushing yards, career (4)[5]
FBS record: First Freshman (and 5th player ever) in FBS history with 3,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards, season[5]
FBS record: Rushing yards by a Quarterback in a Bowl Game (229 yards)[5]
Only the 4th player to have 20 Passing TD's & 20 Rushing TD's, season
Eclipsed the 7,000-yard barrier in total offense in his 19th career game, which is the fastest in NCAA FBS history by a four-year player.[52]
Second Freshman in FBS history to rush for 1,000 yards and pass for 2,000 yards[5]
First Freshman to win the Heisman Trophy[5]
First Freshman to win the Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award[5]
First Freshman to win the Manning Award[5]
SEC records & notes
Most yards total offense in a game (576, breaking Archie Manning's 1969 record of 540 yards)[53]
The first 3 spots on the SEC total offense in a game
576 yards
562 yards against #1 Alabama
557 yards two weeks before the 576 yards
Most yards total offense, season (5,116, breaking Cam Newton's 2010 record in two fewer games)
Most yards total offense, game average (383.3, breaking Tim Couch's 1998 record, of 377.4 yards)
Highest yards per play average (50 plays minimum), game (10.71, against Arkansas on September 29, 2012, breaking Steve Tanneyhill's record of 10.0 yards)
First SEC quarterback to pass for 3,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in one season
Tied for Second most Rushing Touchdowns in a Single Season [51]
Tied for 8th most Scoring in a Single Season [51]
8th most Passing Yards in a Single Season [51]
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Almost all of those stats are because of his rushing. We're talkin about how he translates to the*NFL, so you can throw out the rushing. He doesn't touch Keenum's passing stats.

Lol at how big of a douche you are. Try having a discussion like a man instead of trying to belittle anyone that disagrees with your opinions like a spoiled kid. I'm done here
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Not really when you consider the rules that favor the ffense heavily. Also if you want to talk about stats, Case Keenum put stats that make Manziels look stupid. Manziel is an above average QB that without Evans would have pedestrian numbers. What he is doing has been done before. Oh and since you mentioned Newton and Tebow, so what he broke their records? They both won national championships and Cam went undefeated. Manziel has done neither.
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As freshmen? No they didn't put up those type numbers. If the numbers favor the offense so much then why isn't every qb putting up 7k yards in a season and a half. I respect all of you guys arguments about him cause I like to be prepared when it comes up in discussion at the barber shop. I'm not buying any of ya'lls. No offense. Seriously
 
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Pope John Vol VI said:
Almost all of those stats are because of his rushing. We're talkin about how he translates to the*NFL, so you can throw out the rushing. He doesn't touch Keenum's passing stats.

Lol at how big of a douche you are. Try having a discussion like a man instead of trying to belittle anyone that disagrees with your opinions like a spoiled kid. I'm done here
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I apologize then. I don't buy your keenum argument is all. Keenum could not run. He also couldn't put up 900 yds in 2 games against Alabama. Didn't mean to sound belittling. I don't see 3500 yards passing as almost all rushing either.
 
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If Manziels maturity level catches up to his athletic level, then yes, he will have earned "character" respect. Up until now he has earned "statistic" respect. IOW, he's one hell of an athlete but as douchy as Marshall Henderson with his antics. If the kid ever grows up he will be a welcome addition to any NFL roster. If he maintains the "Johnny Football" attitude, kid will be caustic in a locker room.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Not really when you consider the rules that favor the ffense heavily. Also if you want to talk about stats, Case Keenum put stats that make Manziels look stupid. Manziel is an above average QB that without Evans would have pedestrian numbers. What he is doing has been done before. Oh and since you mentioned Newton and Tebow, so what he broke their records? They both won national championships and Cam went undefeated. Manziel has done neither.
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I actually hate Manziel, I think he's a dick that doesn't respect anyone or anything. But, to say those things are on him is retarded Tebow and Cam had amazing defenses. Manziel put 50 something points on Bama's D after saban having a year to plan on how to stop him. I think all 3 of these players are the type that are all time greats in college but their games just don't transfer to the NFL to well. (even Scam Newton) But he's still been a beast.
 
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OldVol49vfl said:
Bobby Petrino fans should be happy - LA Lafayette is blowing out Western KY 30-13.
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That's too bad. I don't like Petrino but I was hoping they would finish strong and make our beat down of them look a little better in retrospect.

Not a big deal though. I think we are going to beat a ranked team sometime in our next four games, so we will have a legitimate quality win here very soon.
 
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IMO we finish by adding these positions:

DL-2
LB-1
CB-1
WR-2
RB-1

Plus the Berrys


Many have expressed their opinion we might take 3 more DL. That's certainly possible but IMO that's if we miss on a CB or Malone. I think we are done at OL
 
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BruinVol said:
IMO we finish by adding these positions:

DL-2
LB-1
CB-1
WR-2
RB-1

Many have expressed their opinion we might take 3 more DL. That's certainly possible but IMO that's if we miss on a CB or Malone. I think we are done at OL
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McDowell and Hendrix on the DL. That gives us two stud JUCO DL, one to play DT and one that could play DE/DT, and three stud HS DL, each playing playing their own unique position.
 
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This might be outlandish but is it possible that EB has told CBJ to recruit the very best players available and if spots are filled he will pay for his brothers the walk on??!


This may have already been covered. If so I apologize
 
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white65 said:
I actually hate Manziel, I think he's a dick that doesn't respect anyone or anything. But, to say those things are on him is retarded Tebow and Cam had amazing defenses. Manziel put 50 something points on Bama's D after saban having a year to plan on how to stop him. I think all 3 of these players are the type that are all time greats in college but their games just don't transfer to the NFL to well. (even Scam Newton) But he's still been a beast.
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Cam had great defenses? He won in spite of that defense. They even give up 24 to UTC. But yes, Tebow had great defenses even with the Broncos.
 
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BruinVol said:
This might be outlandish but is it possible that EB has told CBJ to recruit the very best players available and if spots are filled he will pay for his brothers the walk on??!


This may have already been coveted. If so I apologize
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I heard this rumor somewhere else a few days ago or last week. Not sure if it's true or not.
 
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BruinVol said:
This might be outlandish but is it possible that EB has told CBJ to recruit the very best players available and if spots are filled he will pay for his brothers the walk on??!


This may have already been covered. If so I apologize
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He could make no greater "donation" to the university in my opinion, but I doubt it would happen. If they lived in state I'd think it wasn't too farfetched.
 
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Ashevolle said:
He could make no greater "donation" to the university in my opinion, but I doubt it would happen. If they lived in state I'd think it wasn't too farfetched.
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Agreed on the donation part.


Disagree that out of state has anything to do with it especially if its only a one year thing. EB has plenty to cover the out of state tuition fee
 
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allvol_12 said:
And you know this how?
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i was wondering the same thing - b/c it looks to me like last year he did do a lot of just running around of times but he looks much better this year throwing the ball

i am not a master evaluator of QB's but the only thing that would scare me about him is his size, not his work ethic or willingness to get better
 
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I am sitting and listening to Inky Johnson right now...if we have 2 people on our team with this mans spirit we will beat USCjr. If we have 5 we will win out this year
 
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BruinVol said:
This might be outlandish but is it possible that EB has told CBJ to recruit the very best players available and if spots are filled he will pay for his brothers the walk on??!


This may have already been covered. If so I apologize
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I've wondered about this as well. Several posters have said that they deserve a scholarship--and I don't doubt that at all.

But if I were trying to build a legacy class or rebuild UT and there was a chance we could bring in another phenomenal player or two while I paid my own way or my family paid my tuition for a year, I think that would make me happier than getting a scholarship.

I think there was a quarterback several years ago who restructured his contract so that his team could acquire a few more players to help the team.

I'm not saying the Berry brothers should pay their own way (or that their brother should pay their way). What I'm saying is that it might dramatically improve a fantastic class if it did happen.

Can you imagine the fan reaction if something like this worked out? Getting the Berrys plus an additional two high caliber players?
 
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BruinVol said:
This might be outlandish but is it possible that EB has told CBJ to recruit the very best players available and if spots are filled he will pay for his brothers the walk on??!


This may have already been covered. If so I apologize
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Possible, but I would be very very surprised if this happened. That's just not something that happens in college football.
 
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