Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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gunner said:
Wrong!!! I’m certainly not out! I have been a Vol for over 40 years.

I’m just tired of the hype each and every season and I will believe the wins when I see them.

Even though I don’t share the unbridled enthusiasm as many, I’m still a Vol and I want them to win each and every game!!
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Saying 7-5 isn't hype.
 
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gunner said:
I don’t want everyone to think like me. I really like Pruitt and the direction he’s taking the Vols.

I just don’t want theses same folks to call for his firing after the Vols don’t win enough for them this season.

UT really needs to give Pruitt years to get the Vols back to a top 10 team that’s competing for the SEC every season.

I’m afraid that if he only wins six games this year, many of these sunshine pumpers will be calling for his firing when in reality six wins is a reasonable projection for this season.

Making a coaching change or putting Pruitt on the hot seat after this season is the worst thing happen.
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There is an echo chamber of optimism around these parts this time of the year and I think we all fall victim to it. This time last year I was convinced we were going to beat WVU and play UF very close. We were all absolutely sure Tyson Helton would be great and the offensive line "couldn't be as bad as last year."

I think it's just a flaw of the human brain. We allow ourselves to make a ton of false assumptions because we want those things to be true. We won't truly "know" anything until we line up vs. BYU. Everything else, both positive and negative, is all guesswork.
 
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Smokeytom said:
No I don’t know him and neither do 99.9% of the people on this board, but when the HC says he has “left the team” and it was “his decision” then that doesn’t look good for him. Maybe he had his reasons, either way he is no longer with the team and for reasons largely speculative.

It seems like your underlying argument here is that I should probably keep my mouth shut on matters of which I’m not fully illuminated. If that is indeed your argument, I suggest you take a break from the board because speculating on all things UT is what we come here to do.

You seem too close to this situation. You should know I wish the kid nothing but the best in life and hold him no ill will. Disappointed more than anything.
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I am close, and I wish you no ill will as well. Thank you for your well wishes for him.
 
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Smokeytom said:
Logic consists of inductive and deductive arguments. Since it is impossible to make a deductive argument for the future record of a football team, an inductive argument is necessary.

You also cannot deduce from last year’s results how this team will fair. So, it appears we are both in the inductive argument game here. However, my argument is not predominantly opinions, but even when they are they are strong, and ones which I would say are cogent.

Multiple recruiting classes of Pruitts players. - not an opinion.
A staff full of highly respected teachers and past winners. - not an opinion the staff has 16 Nattys combined.
2nd year of consistency in the weight room. - not an opinion.
2nd year of HC duties for Pruitt. Not an opinion.
A big time upgrade at OC. - an opinion, but not one that anybody is disagreeing with.
One of the most experienced QBs in CFB. - not an opinion.
Returning almost all of our production on offense which has shown to lead to much improved results on the field. - not an opinion.
The much improved confidence of every player and person surrounding the program is visible and audible. - sure, an opinion, but still supportive of an inductive argument.

There are little arguments behind each of those statements which I could very well support in manner I think would be strong and convincing, but please, don’t make me do all that here. Lol
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The statements above are certainly debatable they aren’t facts but mostly opinions and inferences.

Wins and Losses aren’t debatable. Wins on the football field is all that matters that’s the bottom line.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
There is an echo chamber of optimism around these parts this time of the year and I think we all fall victim to it. This time last year I was convinced we were going to beat WVU and play UF very close. We were all absolutely sure Tyson Helton would be great and the offensive line "couldn't be as bad as last year."

I think it's just a flaw of the human brain. We allow ourselves to make a ton of false assumptions because we want those things to be true. We won't truly "know" anything until we line up vs. BYU. Everything else, both positive and negative, is all guesswork.
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Hahahahaha, for the most part, I agree.
 
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gunner said:
The statements above are certainly debatable they aren’t facts but mostly opinions and inferences.

Wins and Losses aren’t debatable. Wins on the football field is all that matters that’s the bottom line.
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It has now occurred to me you are not fully aware of what an inductive argument entails.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
Right. So stop making predictions. You don't want to believe because you don't want to get disappointed. That's fine. Others want to believe that what they see and hear means more wins this year. That's also fine. Hope you don't have a problem with that.
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Nope, folks are entitled to their opinions just like I’m entitled to mine and if I want to predict that the Vols finish the season 6-6 then I’m entitled to that just the same as anyone who thinks they will go 10-2 this season.
 
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gunner said:
The statements above are certainly debatable they aren’t facts but mostly opinions and inferences.

Wins and Losses aren’t debatable. Wins on the football field is all that matters that’s the bottom line.
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Nothing he said is debatable except maybe Chaney being an upgrade. If you don't want to believe any if that translates to wins, then don't even worry about it until they have played 4 or 5 games.
 
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Smokeytom said:
It has now occurred to me you are not fully aware of what an inductive argument entails.
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Please enlighten me.

All I have seen so far is opinion that this team will be better because of X (insert argument here) when in reality no one knows anything about this team other than they look good getting off the bus and during warmups.

Does that translate into to wins on the football field?

We all hope it does but until they beat someone they shouldn’t on the football field we have very little evidence that they will.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Yep - seems like we bungled it a little bit too. I remember Pruitt was on SportsTalk in late May and wouldn't confirm the waiver application had even been submitted. Doesn't mean it wasn't - but this whole situation has been weird.
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Well, that’s unfortunate if true. Can’t be making unforced errors and get to where we want to go.

That’s Butch League...
 
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gunner said:
What’s the logic? Please explain.
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Not LA Vol, but this article explains a lot IMO. Not a lot of opinion and assumption in it, just facts and logic. We were just a field goal away from 6-6 last year, and it is inevitable that we will improve in most areas while some of our opponents will regress. How that translates to wins/losses will depend on the breaks.

Phil Steele Experience Chart: How the SEC stacks up in 2019

The info in this article is partly why I am not ready to concede the Missouri or Mississippi State games. The coaches of both teams inherited programs from coaches that were historically the best ever at these respective programs (Pinkel and Mullen), and both of which were exceptional at evaluating and developing talent. Both programs just lost huge amounts of that talent, and as Pinkel and Mullen’s rosters bleed out, we’ll begin to see if Odom and Moorehead are on par with their predecessors. Missouri basically lost their entire OL, and I’m not ready to crown Kelly just yet. Mullen was especially good at evaluating and developing QB, DB, and DL while at Miss State, and that’s where they were hit the hardest. I think the Vols take at least one of those games.

It will be hard for both Vandy and UK to avoid taking steps back as well. Vandy lost a longtime starter at QB and a longtime, and highly underrated, OC. UK lost generational talent at RB and pass rusher, not to mention a lot on OL and in their secondary. I think the Vols take both of those games.

On the flip side, I think S. Carolina will be our toughest game this year outside of Bama, UGA, and Florida. Partly because of the info in this article, and partly because of where they fall on our schedule. As much as it pains me to say it, I think the Vols lose that one.

It’s almost a lock that we will be improved in all areas, except DL. 7-5 is the most likely result for us, and Vegas odds seem to back that up. I do think that if we rise up and steal game 4 in Gainesville and stay healthy, we could end up winning as much as 9.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
Nothing he said is debatable except maybe Chaney being an upgrade. If you don't want to believe any if that translates to wins, then don't even worry about it until they have played 4 or 5 games.
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I have heard these same arguments for years, over and over again. Many of the same last season when Pruitt took over from Butch.

All I’m saying is don’t expect too much this season. No one knows for certain what will happen this fall except for beating a few no names on the schedule.
 
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gunner said:
Please enlighten me.

All I have seen so far is opinion that this team will be better because of X (insert argument here) when in reality no one knows anything about this team other than they look good getting off the bus and during warmups.

Does that translate into to wins on the football field?

We all hope it does but until they beat someone they shouldn’t on the football field we have very little evidence that they will.
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Inductive arguments are the arguments we make when we cannot know something for 100% certainty. Meaning that even if we assume the truth of the premises of an argument it is not guaranteed that the conclusion will follow absolutely. So, inductive arguments boil down to who has the best evidence and ability to persuade in support of their argument.

We’re making inductive arguments right now. You’re support is past years failures. My support is the continuity of the staff and players.

What’s funny here is that my expectations are only 1 win above yours. I’m happy with 7-5. However, Pruitt’s visible confidence and Chaney’s known X’s and O’s prowess have me gearing towards us pulling an upset somewhere (preferably The Swamp) and finishing 8-4.
 
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gunner said:
I don’t want everyone to think like me. I really like Pruitt and the direction he’s taking the Vols.

I just don’t want theses same folks to call for his firing after the Vols don’t win enough for them this season.

UT really needs to give Pruitt years to get the Vols back to a top 10 team that’s competing for the SEC every season.

I’m afraid that if he only wins six games this year, many of these sunshine pumpers will be calling for his firing when in reality six wins is a reasonable projection for this season.

Making a coaching change or putting Pruitt on the hot seat after this season is the worst thing happen.
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That's cool. I'm good personally, I don't have a set number of wins he has to meet. We're in a conference that others can't even imagine and that's different than a Michigan etc, turnaround.
I'll know if I'm seeing good football, really that simple.

But predictions are for fun and those at 7, just have a more sound argument to me.
 
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