Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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I don’t have any major issues with year 1.

Sure, there were some bumps in the road but there was growth as well.

Will there be changes made during the off-season- yes. Are they needed? Yes.

That’s what you do - you put a plan in place and you run it. See where the gaps are and then adjust.

I have no doubt that this team is on the rise.

If you can’t see it you are either just blinded by unrealistic expectations or you are a troll.

Year 1 of the rebuild is done.

Time to focus on year 2 and that starts with the early signing period.

Go Vols!
 
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I think coach Pruitt is 100% ready to close this chapter and move on. He's probably forgotten about this season already. He's looking at the new generation of Vols and probably looks at a bowl as a meaningless distraction from the task of recruiting for this signing class. And to be honest, I hope that's exactly the way he's thinking. Flush the 2018 Tennessee football season down like chief doesn't.
 
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Serious question, was Helton trying to get fired yesterday? I’ve never seen worse play calling in my life. It felt like he was trying to lose the damn game. Rumor going around that he hates it here. Maybe he wants that guaranteed money so he can get paid while finding an new home
 
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HankHill said:
Barnett, gaulden, Sutton, JRM, young Kirkland, vickers. Defense was fine.
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Well Butch didn't leave any of those so not sure why you think because he had the best roster in east means he left a good one now., pretty obvious he didn't by going 4-8 last yr and 5-7 this yr. Shoop and Pruitt 2 of the best DCs in country couldn't get these losers to play at high level consistently. Butch left a mentally crushed team that hadn't been disciplined or had real strength program in 2 yrs. Dave Lawson firing set this prIngram down a dark path
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
He made just as much progress as $75m Jimbo Fisher made at Texas A&M in his first season, which was a +1 improvement in wins, and made more progress than Moorehead did at MSU (0). And certainly more than Morris at Arkansas (-2). Jimbo and Moorehead took over programs with winning cultures and plenty of talent, yet neither were able to improve their team's record more than Pruitt did a UT, and Moorehead didn't improve his team's record at all, yet along with Mullen I was told all offseason what fantastic hires. Pruitt, a first year HC, is having to completely overhaul this program from the ground up and improved his team's winning record by 1 game, same as Fisher, and more than Moorehead. I think BVS keeps some of you from any sort of rational thinking.
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Apples to oranges. We play in the SEC least. Butch beat a ranked Gamecocks team year 1. Means nothing when you can't build on those upsets and lose to inferior teams.
 
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I thought this was a 4-8 team heading into the season. Am I happy we lost yesterday?, No, but I am still happy with the overall season based on our talent level. If you switch the Kentucky win with the Vandy Loss, people wouldn't be nearly as doom and gloom as they are right now. Just ending the season on a loss is tough, especially a loss that lopsided. I still think Pruitt will get it fixed here, but It's gonna take time to fix this culture we have in place right now. You can't fix that with 1 recruiting class, and the 2019 class is the first one he will have that is all his guys.
 
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HankHill said:
Barnett, gaulden, Sutton, JRM, young Kirkland, vickers. Defense was fine.
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2016 we finished in the bottom half of the league as a defense. 5th in 2015. We did have some talent on the defense, but not nearly enough. We were average to below average in the league those two years. We need to be a top 3 defense in the league to reasonably be the best in the East. I hope we can get there with Pruitt, but we were never that close under Jones. Only Gaulden and Barnett have done anything in the NFL.
 
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HankHill said:
I like many others believe our roster was the best in the east Dobbs junior and senior year.
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I believe that a handful of players made those rosters. When the majority of those were gone, so was out "roster of elite talent".
Butch went from 9 wins to 4 in a hurry for a few reasons but not having those guys was one of the largest.
Wts, we're not completely devoid of talent but need more along with buy in and leadership. Which is not much better than no talent.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Not sure why on Barnes. He literally had nothing and beat UK.
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His recruiting was bad on paper, he was calling out players in the media and he was unable to reach his best player in year 1in Hubbs. Also lots of talk about him not putting effort in on the recruiting trail. I thought his time had passed him by and couldn't win without guys like Kevin Durant.

Now being so wrong about that makes me less ready to jump to conclusions about what I think I see with this staff. So this year is only a strike 1 for me.
 
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BruinVol said:
His recruiting was bad on paper, he was calling out players in the media and he was unable to reach his best player in year 1in Hubbs. Also lots of talk about him not putting effort in on the recruiting trail. I thought his time had passed him by and couldn't win without guys like Kevin Durant.

Now being so wrong about that makes me less ready to jump to conclusions about what I think I see with this staff. So this year is only a strike 1 for me.
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Basketball recruiting is somewhat different from football in that the timeline starts earlier. Sure, some coaches can recruit right away, but it’s tougher. See Josiah James, who we first offered.

I feel like Hubbs was kind of like some of our current football players- don’t take tough coaching well.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
He made just as much progress as $75m Jimbo Fisher made at Texas A&M in his first season, which was a +1 improvement in wins, and made more progress than Moorehead did at MSU (0). And certainly more than Morris at Arkansas (-2). Jimbo and Moorehead took over programs with winning cultures and plenty of talent, yet neither were able to improve their team's record more than Pruitt did a UT, and Moorehead didn't improve his team's record at all, yet along with Mullen I was told all offseason what fantastic hires. Pruitt, a first year HC, is having to completely overhaul this program from the ground up and improved his team's winning record by 1 game, same as Fisher, and more than Moorehead. I think BVS keeps some of you from any sort of rational thinking.
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Progress can be seen on a&m for sure the players are just better coached
 
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VolGee4 said:
Basketball recruiting is somewhat different from football in that the timeline starts earlier. Sure, some coaches can recruit right away, but it’s tougher. See Josiah James, who we first offered.

I feel like Hubbs was kind of like some of our current football players- don’t take tough coaching well.
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I agree especially about Hubbs and he ended up being much better because of it.
 
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Not sure why we have a need to have revisionist history on what 2015 and 16 were.

There were only 11 players left on the roster from that 2015 class. And one of those is our long snapper.

There's no going back three years and staying things shouldn't be as bad as they are now.

They are. The roster isn't very good. We are woefully under manned on both lines of scrimmage. Our linebackers aren't good enough, and a position that I thought would be a strength wound up being average at best, at safety.

Wr was pretty good, but not enough speed. Running back flashed, but was not consistent at all. Same at te.

Qb...I think JG did ok. The best thing you can say about him is that for the most part he wasn't the reason we lost all 7 games. Not sure he was the reason we won 5 either.

Play calling wasn't consistent this year. And I'm not sure Pruitt made every correct call on personnel.

I think CB and the starting 3 or 4 on the DL made progress.

I'm totality, we had one game where players made plays that translated to a W.... Auburn.

We had two games where I thought we had a great game plan, USCe and UK.

And we had 4 games that we looked like we shouldn't be on the field... Florida, bama, mizzu, vandy.

And two games that you can look at that were losses, but effort was there...WVU and UGA.

Mixed bag. And hard to draw any real conclusions about the future. I think Pruitt did show some signs of being a "play to win" coach at times. Not sure that means much given how this season went as not much was on the line game to game.

They do need to " their guys" in there. The roster does need turned over.

And the coaches need to figure out what we're going to be and how to adjust when "we do what we do" isn't working.

And we get 10 months to fret over it.

I wouldn't anticipate any staff changes until after signing day.

In the meantime..... Recruit. Finish this class strong.

Not sure how much energy I have any more for the day to day " discussions" at this point.

Results. That's really all I want at this point. Sooner than later if at all possible.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
He made just as much progress as $75m Jimbo Fisher made at Texas A&M in his first season, which was a +1 improvement in wins, and made more progress than Moorehead did at MSU (0). And certainly more than Morris at Arkansas (-2). Jimbo and Moorehead took over programs with winning cultures and plenty of talent, yet neither were able to improve their team's record more than Pruitt did a UT, and Moorehead didn't improve his team's record at all, yet along with Mullen I was told all offseason what fantastic hires. Pruitt, a first year HC, is having to completely overhaul this program from the ground up and improved his team's winning record by 1 game, same as Fisher, and more than Moorehead. I think BVS keeps some of you from any sort of rational thinking.
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Mullen did by far the best coaching job in the SEC this year. That’s not debatable. He deserves coach of the year, if you’re not into giving it to Saban every year.

Jimbo goes 8-4 with a last second loss to #2 Clemson while also finishing strong at the end and tangible evidence that their team is vastly improving.

Same with Miss state they won 4 of last 5 and their lost is to bama in which they played them better or as well as anyone all year once again finishing with an upward trajectory.

There is nothing positive about the way we finished and that has basically erased the auburn and Kentucky wins for Pruitt, whether that is warranted or not is another discussion but it is happening.

Also look at the losses for other teams. 6 of our losses were by 25+ points. Half the year we weren’t even competitive. I don’t really think that’s BVS syndrome, that’s just the harsh reality.
 
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