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Darth_Shiveman said:
Thought so.
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Looking at the picture makes me think you’re both right. Does look like a compression sleeve on most of the leg with the standard issue knee brace for most QBs (and plenty of others) who’ve had significant ligament damage on top of that. They both just happen to be all black.
 
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millst987 said:
Hank, does Chryst have a strong enough arm for the SEC iyo?
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Yes. Chryst doesn’t have a bad arm at all. I think he has a little “push thrower” in him. He has solid zip on the ball.

He just looks like Andrew luck physically so you would expect him to have a bazooka just based off looks alone.
 
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zhangliao04 said:
It's because they suck as a sports news source anymore. Last night I turned on ESPN for the first time since last year and they were debating on some basketball dudes new tattoo. It's horse piss anymore.
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Was the tattoo empowering?
 
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HankHill said:
Yes. Chryst doesn’t have a bad arm at all. I think he has a little “push thrower” in him. He has solid zip on the ball.

He just looks like Andrew luck physically so you would expect him to have a bazooka just based off looks alone.
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Thanks. You’re right, a guy that big makes you think he should be snapping WR’s fingers due to ball velocity. One thing I noticed in the videos is he seems to be super relaxed and poised. I wonder if that age advantage and calmness will win him the job? I believe having a calm presence in the huddle this year will certainly help considering this is a new system/staff.
 
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millst987 said:
Thanks. You’re right, a guy that big makes you think he should be snapping WR’s fingers due to ball velocity. One thing I noticed in the videos is he seems to be super relaxed and poised. I wonder if that age advantage and calmness will win him the job? I believe having a calm presence in the huddle this year will certainly help considering this is a new system/staff.
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Just curious but if he's built like a tank how can he have the arm whip to snap wrs hands?
 
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I’m in the same boat as everyone else regarding who our starting QB will be. That’s not my call, thankfully. My best guess is that JG is the starter and KC is his backup. As someone earlier alluded to, I take much of the reporting from fall camp with a grain of salt but what was reported on day one from Rutherford in particular was not at all surprising.

From Rutherford on day one

“I can tell Jarrett Guarantano has been working on his timing and his touch on deep passes. He lofted a beautiful rainbow of a pass down the sidelines about 30 yards or so, and it hit the intended target in stride. He also looks to be in better rhythm than he was during the season last year, but like I said, this was without any pass rushers coming at him or defensive backs guarding the receivers

For Keller Chryst, I saw a quarterback who looks poised in the pocket and definitely seems like he has more experience than anyone else on UT’s roster. I’ve never been impressed with his throwing motion, and it didn’t seem like had as much zip on the ball as Guarantano did today. But his throwing motion was good enough for him to throw 19 touchdowns compared to just six interceptions at Stanford and helped him go 11-2 as a starter, so he makes it work for him.”

This was the report on KC at the Elite 11 finals in 2013.

Count Elite 11 head coach Trent Dilfer among those impressed with the 6'4, 220-pounders skill set and not for the reasons most expect.

It's funny, I don't get enamored by his arm at all," Dilfer said on Saturday evening during a media availability. "I get enamored with his ability to tempo the ball. We were working on a drill that had the tight end coming right in front of the quarterback on a crossing route and Keller just understands throwing a catchable ball. He has a natural ability to tempo and it's a ball that finishes really smooth. I think he gets it just with his release, his snap," Dilfer said. "At times he gets a little bit long, which we've worked on, but he has a really natural snap of his wrist, the way the ball comes off of his fingers and he finishes with his wrist. I think that's why he's able to do it and why he's able to conceptualize it."

This was the report on JG at the Elite 11 finals in 2015.

How good is Guarantano? "He's almost too talented," Dilfer said. Essentially, Guarantano can make every throw in the book — and do so with unmatched speed and power – but needs to spend more time working on his touch. "Layering," basically, meaning the ability to put balls over the tops of defenders rather than relying on pure arm strength to defeat coverage. It's not a huge issue to have at this stage in his development. "He's got everything you could ever want," said Dilfer. I would bet on Guarantano eventually being named MVP of this event. Tennessee is getting a superb prospect.”

From Simonton on day one

“Quick takeaways from what I could see: Jarrett Guarantano took the first rep and threw a perfect ball to Josh Palmer … and it was dropped. The rest of the period was much cleaner, though. I didn’t think Keller Chryst had a ton of zip on his balls, but again, it’s hard to really gauge based on the viewpoints for the media.”

From Patrick Brown on day one

“Keller Chryst is listed at 6-5/239 and that's not off. He's a big cat. Carries himself like he's been here for longer than a couple of months.

Chryst and Jarrett Guarantano were each sharp on the short routes and had at least one overthrow on intermediate-to-deep routes. Freshman JT Shrout also had some sharp throws but was more up and down with his accuracy. The Vols overall probably had more balls hit the ground than they would have liked even for a first day.

The period ended with Guarantano, Will McBride and Shrout rolling out and throwing deep passes down the sideline to slot receivers Brandon Johnson, Latrell Williams and Jacquez Jones. The freshman had the best throw of the three. Johnson had to stop to catch Guarantano's pass, Williams had no chance of catching McBride's overthrown ball and Jones only had to pull up a little bit to catch the pass from Shrout.”

My reasons at his point for guessing JG wins the job is 1) he’s not a freshman any more so I’m expecting a significant jump in his ability to adjust to the speed of an SEC game. 2) He has Helton and Weinke to tutor him.

I think we have two different QBs with two different "styles" and while KC is competing for the job I think we probably also needed a better backup option than what appeared to be available behind JG. Jmo.
 
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HankHill said:
Yes. Chryst doesn’t have a bad arm at all. I think he has a little “push thrower” in him. He has solid zip on the ball.

He just looks like Andrew luck physically so you would expect him to have a bazooka just based off looks alone.
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You're right about the the push thrower part. I think it was John Brice that was saying Chryst is more of a "dink and dunk" guy. Take that for what you will
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
I’m in the same boat as everyone else regarding who our starting QB will be. That’s not my call, thankfully. My best guess is that JG is the starter and KC is his backup. As someone earlier alluded to, I take much of the reporting from fall camp with a grain of salt but what was reported on day one from Rutherford in particular was not at all surprising.

From Rutherford on day one

“I can tell Jarrett Guarantano has been working on his timing and his touch on deep passes. He lofted a beautiful rainbow of a pass down the sidelines about 30 yards or so, and it hit the intended target in stride. He also looks to be in better rhythm than he was during the season last year, but like I said, this was without any pass rushers coming at him or defensive backs guarding the receivers

For Keller Chryst, I saw a quarterback who looks poised in the pocket and definitely seems like he has more experience than anyone else on UT’s roster. I’ve never been impressed with his throwing motion, and it didn’t seem like had as much zip on the ball as Guarantano did today. But his throwing motion was good enough for him to throw 19 touchdowns compared to just six interceptions at Stanford and helped him go 11-2 as a starter, so he makes it work for him.”

This was the report on KC at the Elite 11 finals in 2013.

Count Elite 11 head coach Trent Dilfer among those impressed with the 6'4, 220-pounders skill set and not for the reasons most expect.

It's funny, I don't get enamored by his arm at all," Dilfer said on Saturday evening during a media availability. "I get enamored with his ability to tempo the ball. We were working on a drill that had the tight end coming right in front of the quarterback on a crossing route and Keller just understands throwing a catchable ball. He has a natural ability to tempo and it's a ball that finishes really smooth. I think he gets it just with his release, his snap," Dilfer said. "At times he gets a little bit long, which we've worked on, but he has a really natural snap of his wrist, the way the ball comes off of his fingers and he finishes with his wrist. I think that's why he's able to do it and why he's able to conceptualize it."

This was the report on JG at the Elite 11 finals in 2015.

How good is Guarantano? "He's almost too talented," Dilfer said. Essentially, Guarantano can make every throw in the book — and do so with unmatched speed and power – but needs to spend more time working on his touch. "Layering," basically, meaning the ability to put balls over the tops of defenders rather than relying on pure arm strength to defeat coverage. It's not a huge issue to have at this stage in his development. "He's got everything you could ever want," said Dilfer. I would bet on Guarantano eventually being named MVP of this event. Tennessee is getting a superb prospect.”

From Simonton on day one

“Quick takeaways from what I could see: Jarrett Guarantano took the first rep and threw a perfect ball to Josh Palmer … and it was dropped. The rest of the period was much cleaner, though. I didn’t think Keller Chryst had a ton of zip on his balls, but again, it’s hard to really gauge based on the viewpoints for the media.”

From Patrick Brown on day one

“Keller Chryst is listed at 6-5/239 and that's not off. He's a big cat. Carries himself like he's been here for longer than a couple of months.

Chryst and Jarrett Guarantano were each sharp on the short routes and had at least one overthrow on intermediate-to-deep routes. Freshman JT Shrout also had some sharp throws but was more up and down with his accuracy. The Vols overall probably had more balls hit the ground than they would have liked even for a first day.

The period ended with Guarantano, Will McBride and Shrout rolling out and throwing deep passes down the sideline to slot receivers Brandon Johnson, Latrell Williams and Jacquez Jones. The freshman had the best throw of the three. Johnson had to stop to catch Guarantano's pass, Williams had no chance of catching McBride's overthrown ball and Jones only had to pull up a little bit to catch the pass from Shrout.”

My reasons at his point for guessing JG wins the job is 1) he’s not a freshman any more so I’m expecting a significant jump in his ability to adjust to the speed of an SEC game. 2) He has Helton and Weinke to tutor him.

I think we have two different QBs with two different "styles" and while KC is competing for the job I think we probably also needed a better backup option than what appeared to be available behind JG. Jmo.
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The only issue i have with the elite 11 and Dilfer is it kind of has a gruden draft analysis feel to it. Which i totally get because they are kids so you can’t be too hard on them but they will gas up some kids they really just aren’t very good. Kind of like how gruden loves every player that gets drafted.
 
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You're right about the the push thrower part. I think it was John Brice that was saying Chryst is more of a "dink and dunk" guy. Take that for what you will
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I think that analysis originated from Mike Detelllier when he was on the Swain Event after being at the Manning Passing Academy earlier this year. Here is his take on both QBs as reported by SDS.

KC
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/t...-keller-chryst-calls-him-a-dink-and-dunk-guy/

“He’s a dink-and-dunk guy,” Detillier said. “He’s a guy that likes the short, intermediate throws.
“It’s something that’s part of his game from his high school days on to Stanford. That’s what he does the best — the short work. You can understand why, having been immersed in Stanford’s offense, which is based a lot on the running game, to be honest. People talk about, you know, their pro-pass game, but what do they do the best? Bryce Love and Christian McCaffrey — they know how to run the ball, and it’s a lot to do having to do with throwing the ball out to the tight end short, and to the running backs out in the flat, and that’s what he does best. What he’s got to get better at is the intermediate part of the game — the 11-yard-and-beyond pass, and hitting that.”​

JG
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/t...guarantano-erratic-but-says-he-has-potential/

“I’ll be honest with you, he was a little erratic throwing the ball, but that didn’t surprise me, because he’s working with receivers that he’s never worked with,” Detillier told Swain on The Swain Event. “You come here, you don’t bring the Tennessee Volunteer wide receivers with you. He’s working with receivers from Tulane, LSU, Nicholls State, Southeastern.
“He kind of blew a little bit hot and cold throwing the football, but when he was on, he was really impressive throwing the football.”​

Detillier added that Guarantano’s talent is obvious, but whether or not he remains the Vols’ starter this fall depends on his mastery of the Tennessee offense:

“You can see the tremendous talent, but there was some erratic nature with [Guarantano], and I think for him, understanding the offense completely will help. And that’s something even Drew Lock brought up, and Jake Fromm brought up, was a full understanding of the offense. That’s what made Peyton Manning who he was. He was so cool when he hit the field, because he was totally prepared.
“You have to know your weaknesses. You can say, ‘I’m fully prepared for every game,’ but how many guys really are at that level? How many are fully, fully prepared. That has a lot to do with film work, study work, and that’s something Peyton preaches about.”​
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
I think that analysis originated from Mike Detelllier when he was on the Swain Event after being at the Manning Passing Academy earlier this year. Here is his take on both QBs as reported by SDS.

KC
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/t...-keller-chryst-calls-him-a-dink-and-dunk-guy/

“He’s a dink-and-dunk guy,” Detillier said. “He’s a guy that likes the short, intermediate throws.​
“It’s something that’s part of his game from his high school days on to Stanford. That’s what he does the best — the short work. You can understand why, having been immersed in Stanford’s offense, which is based a lot on the running game, to be honest. People talk about, you know, their pro-pass game, but what do they do the best? Bryce Love and Christian McCaffrey — they know how to run the ball, and it’s a lot to do having to do with throwing the ball out to the tight end short, and to the running backs out in the flat, and that’s what he does best. What he’s got to get better at is the intermediate part of the game — the 11-yard-and-beyond pass, and hitting that.”​

JG
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/t...guarantano-erratic-but-says-he-has-potential/

“I’ll be honest with you, he was a little erratic throwing the ball, but that didn’t surprise me, because he’s working with receivers that he’s never worked with,” Detillier told Swain on The Swain Event. “You come here, you don’t bring the Tennessee Volunteer wide receivers with you. He’s working with receivers from Tulane, LSU, Nicholls State, Southeastern.​
“He kind of blew a little bit hot and cold throwing the football, but when he was on, he was really impressive throwing the football.”​

Detillier added that Guarantano’s talent is obvious, but whether or not he remains the Vols’ starter this fall depends on his mastery of the Tennessee offense:

“You can see the tremendous talent, but there was some erratic nature with [Guarantano], and I think for him, understanding the offense completely will help. And that’s something even Drew Lock brought up, and Jake Fromm brought up, was a full understanding of the offense. That’s what made Peyton Manning who he was. He was so cool when he hit the field, because he was totally prepared.​
“You have to know your weaknesses. You can say, ‘I’m fully prepared for every game,’ but how many guys really are at that level? How many are fully, fully prepared. That has a lot to do with film work, study work, and that’s something Peyton preaches about.”​
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Nice. I knew I heard it on Swain's show. Couldn't remember who it was though
 
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HankHill said:
The only issue i have with the elite 11 and Dilfer is it kind of has a gruden draft analysis feel to it. Which i totally get because they are kids so you can’t be too hard on them but they will gas up some kids they really just aren’t very good. Kind of like how gruden loves every player that gets drafted.
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I agree on the "find something positive to say" but in the aggregate it seems to me that there's a lot of consistency in the way "analysts" and reporters talk about who we believe to be our top two QBs heading into fall camp and that analysis goes back to their HS careers.

I was trying to remember which WR last year in fall camp siad that whenever JG throws the ball it feels like he's trying to break your hands.
 
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