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HankHill said:
It’s just crazy to me that we stayed so vanilla all year. If I’m coaching for my job I’m pulling out all the stops every game. If i have to run 3 double passes, 3 reverses, wildcat, etc then I’ll do it. I’ll be damned if I’m gonna sit back and watch myself get fired.
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No doubt. I could see here and tell the wife if we were running left or right and would be correct on it. Ridiculous
 
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utvols88 said:
that's what I'm screaming.
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OrangeBlood4life said:
What's so messed up is , after seeing the texts and trying to keep them out of court..... why on earth would you want to try to put someone in jail.. if texts proved consensual... so messed up
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I just read that the 2 girls text messages were not retrievable from the phone company after 3 years. They were able to retrieve phone call records and "hard" texts, but were not able to recover what they called "iTexts" which are text messages between iphones which is how the 2 girls normally communicated.

Guess this may answer the question many had about why this would even go to trial when the text messages are recovered.
 
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smokeyz1 said:
I just read that the 2 girls text messages were not retrievable from the phone company after 3 years. They were able to retrieve phone call records and "hard" texts, but were not able to recover what they called "iTexts" which are text messages between iphones which is how the 2 girls normally communicated.

Guess this may answer the question many had about why this would even go to trial when the text messages are recovered.
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No way the iMessages were not retrievable. Especially if they backed up their phone
 
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OrangeBlood4life said:
What's so messed up is , after seeing the texts and trying to keep them out of court..... why on earth would you want to try to put someone in jail.. if texts proved consensual... so messed up
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Unless I am missing something no one has seen the text
 
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smokeyz1 said:
I just read that the 2 girls text messages were not retrievable from the phone company after 3 years. They were able to retrieve phone call records and "hard" texts, but were not able to recover what they called "iTexts" which are text messages between iphones which is how the 2 girls normally communicated.

Guess this may answer the question many had about why this would even go to trial when the text messages are recovered.
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They conveniently lost their phones.
 
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Rishvol said:
No way the iMessages were not retrievable. Especially if they backed up their phone
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The 2 girls ditched their iphones 4 years ago without backing them up.

I would have thought Apple cloud or their phone provider would still have record of their itext messages.. but apparently not according to information that came out during the trial Today.
 
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GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- Florida signee Justin Watkins is in trouble with the law again after an incident earlier this spring that saw him arrested in Marion County.

Watkins was booked into the Alachua County Jail and remains in custody, facing four charges including two third-degree felonies. Alachua County inmate logs list charges of false imprisonment/kidnapping and domestic battery by strangulation as the two third-degree felony charges against the recent Florida enrollee, as well as two first-degree misdemeanor battery charges.

"Justin Watkins has been suspended immediately from all activities," coach Dan Mullen said through a UF spokesman.
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He was a pretty highly rated recruit IIRC
 
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smokeyz1 said:
The 2 girls ditched their iphones 4 years ago without backing them up.

I would have thought Apple cloud or their phone provider would still have record of their itext messages.. but apparently not according to information that came out during the trial Today.
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Itext goes directly through apples servers. Apple would have to retrieve those messages. I believe however you can delete those messages from the apple server or request that apple delete them. So if they did not subpoena those records in time they could have already of been removed.
 
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smokeyz1 said:
The 2 girls ditched their iphones 4 years ago without backing them up.

I would have thought Apple cloud or their phone provider would still have record of their itext messages.. but apparently not according to information that came out during the trial Today.
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No iCloud wouldn't have it if they didn't backup their phones after that night. Most people back up their nphones before getting a new one... Someone probably told them not to (speculation)
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
For iPhones yes. Other phones not so much, but there were applications that backed up phones for you so you could download the application on your other phone and transfer it over.
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If I was AJ's attorney, my final summation to the Jury would be this:

Do any of you have teenage or college age daughters?

Would they ever replace or upgrade their phone without doing everything possible to save all their contacts, messages, and pictures to their new phone... unless they had something to hide?

Does this qualify as reasonable doubt?
 
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smokeyz1 said:
I just read that the 2 girls text messages were not retrievable from the phone company after 3 years. They were able to retrieve phone call records and "hard" texts, but were not able to recover what they called "iTexts" which are text messages between iphones which is how the 2 girls normally communicated.

Guess this may answer the question many had about why this would even go to trial when the text messages are recovered.
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I remember reading something similar a year or so ago when this issue was being discussed.
 
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Watkins arrested on felony charge for battery by strangulation

The University of Florida Police Department is listed as the law enforcement agency to make the arrest. Bond has not yet been set, according to Alachua County court records.

Watkins previously ran afoul of the law in May when he was arrested for allegedly breaking a female's phone and kicking her car. He reportedly followed her to a gas station following an argument and threw her phone to the pavement, shattering the screen.

A police report indicated that Watkins then followed the woman to Vanguard High School and kicked her car repeatedly. Because he was not a student at Vanguard, he was charged with trespassing school grounds.

Watkins was a four-star prospect in the 2018 recruiting class and one of Florida's top-rated signees. He enrolled for the Summer B semester at the end of June.
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e was expected to contribute at cornerback for the Gators, recently appearing in a photo with the defensive backs at a team picture day. Rated as the nation's No. 89 overall prospect and a terrific athlete, Watkins was expected to contribute on special teams, as well, possibly even in the return game.

Listed at 5 foot 11, 172 pounds, he could have helped shore up the depth at the cornerback position for the Gators after a couple departures since the 2017 season.

Though the Gators return both starters in Marco Wilson and CJ Henderson, the depth at the position is relatively light. Fellow freshman Trey Dean enrolled in the spring semester and appeared well on his way toward early contributions, and Watkins was expected to further bolster the depth at the position.
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Big blow to their 2018 class
 
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BruinVol said:
Unless I am missing something no one has seen the text
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U don't think the prosecutor knows what's on the texts?? Why would they try to not allow them.. if the girl is telling the truth.. the text could help the prosecution. Seems prosecutors only want a conviction, regardless of they screw someone innocent
 
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Rishvol said:
No iCloud wouldn't have it if they didn't backup their phones after that night. Most people back up their nphones before getting a new one... Someone probably told them not to (speculation)
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That's not true. They wouldn't have to back up their phones in order for those messages to be on the Apple Server. Since it goes directly through their server to get to the other phone, apple would be able to retrieve them. The issue is the 4yrs and if they were deleted or removed from the server over those 4yrs prior to subpoena.
 
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smokeyz1 said:
If I was AJ's attorney, my final summation to the Jury would be this:

Do any of you have teenage or college age daughters?

Would they ever replace or upgrade their phone without doing everything possible to save all their contacts, messages, and pictures to their new phone... unless they had something to hide?

Does this qualify as reasonable doubt?
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I am sure there is more evidence other than testimony. So that will honestly be the kicker.

My thing is technically this case has been going on for a long time so by the time the ruling comes out, if he is found guilty, he may not have to do much jail time. It might be considered part of his time now to the sentence if he is found guilty. Not saying that is what will happen. But that is probably why his lawyer is stalling the case.
 
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