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RandomUTfan said:
Yeah, you're right, but now it is becoming apparent to those who are fans of schools that can't buy a roster that can compete at the highest level that there is a fundamental factor that will block them from competing for titles.

I have been following the fan bases of many of these teams that were once competitive and are no longer able to compete at the levels they are historically used to and MANY have completely tuned out. Those message boards are no longer as active as they once were and they are littered with people saying they will no longer support the program. So IMO it's not the same. The landscape now is completely different from pre-NIL.

And that problem will only get worse! Sports fans are really gullible but there's only so much losing they will endure before they decide it's not worth investing in a product that brings them mostly misery.
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I think that's all just the ebb and flow of CFB. It's always been that way. In a lot of these cases, is it truly a situation where a program "can't compete in NIL" or they just happen to be bad at the same time NIL has come along? There have always been programs who don't have the support to compete at the highest level, at least on a consistent basis. Pre-NIL schools made under the table payments, upgraded facilities, etc. in order to "buy" players. Now they can just do it directly via payments to the players.

You've also got a program like Texas Tech that seemingly has a newfound competitiveness under NIL that they might not have otherwise. I think that Oregon is a program that was good before but might finally be able to get over the hump. You also don't have to go 12-0 or 11-1 to have a shot at winning a national title anymore with the CFP.

The sport is bringing in more money than ever before and TV ratings are the highest they've ever been. If "many" are tuning out (which I disagree that they are), then they've been replaced + more added. Objectively speaking, the sport has never been more popular.
 
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05_never_again said:
I think that's all just the ebb and flow of CFB. It's always been that way. In a lot of these cases, is it truly a situation where a program "can't compete in NIL" or they just happen to be bad at the same time NIL has come along? There have always been programs who don't have the support to compete at the highest level, at least on a consistent basis. Pre-NIL schools made under the table payments, upgraded facilities, etc. in order to "buy" players. Now they can just do it directly via payments to the players.

You've also got a program like Texas Tech that seemingly has a newfound competitiveness under NIL that they might not have otherwise. I think that Oregon is a program that was good before but might finally be able to get over the hump. You also don't have to go 12-0 or 11-1 to have a shot at winning a national title anymore with the CFP.

The sport is bringing in more money than ever before and TV ratings are the highest they've ever been. If "many" are tuning out (which I disagree that they are), then they've been replaced + more added. Objectively speaking, the sport has never been more popular.
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My friend, I respect your opinion but there are a great many people who are even more tuned-in that I am who are ringing the alarm bells that the current model is unsustainable. Heck, I just saw a commercial someone paid a lot of money for the other day encouraging people to call their representatives supporting this SCORE Act, which is not a solution! They are sweating bullets but they have only themselves to blame for the situation they find themselves in. Greed led us to where we are today.

BTW, the NCAA has spent tens of millions of dollars over years lobbying Congress to pass some sort of fix for college football. The problem is no one can agree on a fix. There isn't a real good solution.
 
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05_never_again said:
I think that's all just the ebb and flow of CFB. It's always been that way. In a lot of these cases, is it truly a situation where a program "can't compete in NIL" or they just happen to be bad at the same time NIL has come along? There have always been programs who don't have the support to compete at the highest level, at least on a consistent basis. Pre-NIL schools made under the table payments, upgraded facilities, etc. in order to "buy" players. Now they can just do it directly via payments to the players.

You've also got a program like Texas Tech that seemingly has a newfound competitiveness under NIL that they might not have otherwise. I think that Oregon is a program that was good before but might finally be able to get over the hump. You also don't have to go 12-0 or 11-1 to have a shot at winning a national title anymore with the CFP.

The sport is bringing in more money than ever before and TV ratings are the highest they've ever been. If "many" are tuning out (which I disagree that they are), then they've been replaced + more added. Objectively speaking, the sport has never been more popular.
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I love seeing other teams besides Clemson, Bama, UGA, and OSU be on top. The sport hasn't had this much parity in a long time, if ever. Yes, the non-P5 schools are going to be irrelevant very quickly, but having 20+ teams realistically good enough to knock off a top 5 team on a good day is a net positive, in my opinion.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
My friend, I respect your opinion but there are a great many people who are even more tuned-in that I am who are ringing the alarm bells that the current model is unsustainable. Heck, I just saw a commercial someone paid a lot of money for the other day encouraging people to call their representatives supporting this SCORE Act, which is not a solution! They are sweating bullets but they have only themselves to blame for the situation they find themselves in. Greed led us to where we are today.

BTW, the NCAA has spent tens of millions of dollars over years lobbying Congress to pass some sort of fix for college football. The problem is no one can agree on a fix. There isn't a real good solution.
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Well, that's not surprising. Congress can hardly agree on any issue these days.
 
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Vols4us said:
I love Heup as our coach. But this is the area that causes me the most heartburn. I realize there are a lot of unknowns that only the staff would have access. Maybe G-Mac plans to leave after the season with Brandon coming in.

That said, none of us would be happy with Heup and staff if JA had not been signed. He is in his fifth season as HC and his current back-up who would have been the starter is not good at all. Yet, he has an obvious future starter sitting behind him. Not a good look IMO.
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But Joey is here. And he is awesome.
Heup jettisoned Nico.
Heup landed Faizon.

So you have to start there, and view everything thru that prism.

He’s got a reason, even if we can’t understand it…
 
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RandomUTfan said:
My friend, I respect your opinion but there are a great many people who are even more tuned-in that I am who are ringing the alarm bells that the current model is unsustainable. Heck, I just saw a commercial someone paid a lot of money for the other day encouraging people to call their representatives supporting this SCORE Act, which is not a solution! They are sweating bullets but they have only themselves to blame for the situation they find themselves in. Greed led us to where we are today.

BTW, the NCAA has spent tens of millions of dollars over years lobbying Congress to pass some sort of fix for college football. The problem is no one can agree on a fix. There isn't a real good solution.
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What exactly does "not sustainable" mean? I see this phrase used a lot by critics of the current system but it is never really defined. If the salaries are growing too fast and will come down, or the rate of increase slows dramatically, then so be it. I'm just justifying what any particular team's NIL budget is, or that every player who is getting paid is worth that amount of money.

One thing that has been around for a long time in CFB is that every big change, whether it was the creation of athletic scholarships, or cable TV, or NIL, was supposed to be "the death of the sport" yet here we are.
 
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05_never_again said:
What exactly does "not sustainable" mean? I see this phrase used a lot by critics of the current system but it is never really defined. If the salaries are growing too fast and will come down, or the rate of increase slows dramatically, then so be it. I'm just justifying what any particular team's NIL budget is, or that every player who is getting paid is worth that amount of money.

One thing that has been around for a long time in CFB is that every big change, whether it was the creation of athletic scholarships, or cable TV, or NIL, was supposed to be "the death of the sport" yet here we are.
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There will always be money in college football, it is just that the money to buy players is a separate entity from the revenue the sport generates for the school. They wanted it done that way so they can hold onto those obscene profits. And now that you've opened Pandora's Jar as far as allowing boosters to openly bribe players to play for their school, it's created an imbalance. which threatens the health of the entire sport. Experts who have been sounding alarms for years aren't looking at booming TV viewership in the present, they are looking long-term at the effects the current system is going to have on the overall product. CFB is bigger than just the SEC and Big-Ten. I know that's hard to believe for some.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
There will always be money in college football, it is just that the money to buy players is a separate entity from the revenue the sport generates for the school. They wanted it done that way so they can hold onto those obscene profits. And now that you've opened Pandora's Jar as far as allowing boosters to openly bribe players to play for their school, it's created an imbalance. which threatens the health of the entire sport. Experts who have been sounding alarms for years aren't looking at booming TV viewership in the present, they are looking long-term at the effects the current system is going to have on the overall product. CFB is bigger than just the SEC and Big-Ten. I know that's hard to believe for some.
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ACC and Big 12 viewership is up as well. There was already a massive imbalance, and now we're slightly more balanced, albeit still imbalanced. We've made a lot of progress toward better parity with this system.

How is paying players to play for a school threatening the health of the entire sport? What evidence do you have that the sport is unhealthier than it was? It's still entertaining, it's still drawing record numbers of viewers, and the parity is better than it's ever been. I'd say all the evidence so far is exactly the opposite of what you're saying.

And who are these experts you're referencing? Can you provide the names of some and reasons why we should consider them experts?
 
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jave36 said:
ACC and Big 12 viewership is up as well. There was already a massive imbalance, and now we're slightly more balanced, albeit still imbalanced. We've made a lot of progress toward better parity with this system.

How is paying players to play for a school threatening the health of the entire sport? What evidence do you have that the sport is unhealthier than it was? It's still entertaining, it's still drawing record numbers of viewers, and the parity is better than it's ever been. I'd say all the evidence so far is exactly the opposite of what you're saying.

And who are these experts you're referencing? Can you provide the names of some and reasons why we should consider them experts?
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If everything were hunky dory, you asked for evidence—this is it, then why in the world would Danny White do something as drastic as call for collective bargaining? The evidence is that there are lot of people in very high positions in college football who are scrambling to find a fix.
 
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