Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

Yep. The guy signed Antonio Brown and Eric Fisher at CMU, Derek Wolfe, the Kelces and other future pros at Cincinnati. He could identify and recruit talent. He just didn’t develop it into a high level team. Frankly, had he stayed at Cincinnati, he’d have had a great career there. That’s his level.

It was kind of telling how many guys were non-draft picks out of UT, but then became NFL starters, like Kyle Phillips, Shy Tuttle, Emmanuel Moseley, Marquez Calloway, et al.

Let's look a little closer...

Antonio Brown was ruled academically ineligible out of HS and supposedly had interest from big D1 schools like Michigan State, FSU & Clemson. His father was a football standout and played professionally, so he wasn't some unknown kid. That area in Miami is well know for producing some incredible NFL talent. Brown tried to enroll at several schools after HS, including Alcorn State, but couldn't qualify. He then settled at a prep school in NC and put up stupid numbers as a QB in 5 games. After prep, he received an offer from FIU - which was rescinded after an altercation with campus security. He was never technically on the team at FIU and I think word got around the he was a primadonna and a known head case. Brown then tried calling schools all around the country looking for walk-on opportunities. He got ahold of Butch who recruited him at WVU and later Zach Azazzani. Brown reached out to him (not the other way around) and he walked on at CMU. Was not offered a scholarship - he walked on. The notion that Butch found this gem in the rough with Brown is absurd.

The Kelce brothers were recruited by Brian Kelly.

Eric Fisher was undersized in high school and only switched to offensive line as a senior after his coach told him he wouldn’t play defensive end at the next level. He was all-state in Michigan, drew offers from Eastern Michigan and others, and started college as a tight end before adding 80 pounds and turning himself into the No. 1 overall pick. His rise had far more to do with his own work ethic than with Butch.

Derek Wolfe came from a tough background, was essentially adopted by his best friend’s parents (the Hoppel family), and was set on the path to Cincinnati because his best friend’s family more than Butch. I think one of the Hoppel's was a DT at Cincy prior to the arrival of B.K., but B.K. did coach him.

When you look closer, it’s clear Butch benefited from timing and circumstance more than talent evaluation or development. He rode Brian Kelly’s coattails to the Cincinnati job and was largely a fraud.

Even at Tennessee, that so-called legacy class was driven by peer recruiting, not coaching. Twitter was at its peak as a recruiting tool, and those players wanted to build something special on their own. The class probably comes together regardless of who the head coach was.

Butch was decent at selling himself to ADs. He was not some wizard at identifying talent.

Just going to leave this here to remind you all how moronic this man was. He thought this was a motivational tool and put it on full dislplay, on national telelvision so that we could become the butt of CFB jokes for years to come. I guarantee you players laughed at this man behind his back. And that victory cigar in the Bama locker room where the Bama guys had that "gotcha" moment with him. He was one of the biggest frauds in CFB and this is the hill I will die on.

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Thoughts?

USC or UF
I would vote USC as they are immensely less likely to ever be elite.


If its Florida then that sucks (imo) but whatever. But the SEC validating an opinion that literally only South Carolina holds (that they are our rival) is disrespectful to Tennessee and especially to Kentucky, who loses their #1 rival. Killing a 100+ year old yearly, border state rivalry for what? A non-existent, manufactured "rivalry"?

Horse**** decision if they go with SC over KY.
 
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I know you guys are probably sick of it....... But I believe in the power of prayer. And with so many special needs animals and rescues we've taken in....... Even though we aren't a rescue any more........





One of the rescue goats I took in from an abandonment case years ago has been going down hill this week. I thought we were making progress but we found him down this afternoon. I've moved him into our hospital stall. He's eating and drinking, but he's so weak. He's fighting and I'm fighting with him. Please say a prayer for him tonight and the coming days. Please say a prayer for me as well for wisdom and clarity, I'm struggling trying to figure out what the cause is.
 
I think there are some lessons here if people choose to listen:

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He never deserved the animosity he got, he was put in horrible positions, under bad coaching for years. He's a good dude and deserved better. The fact he's not bitter and claims (rightfully) VFL status is a testament to his character and love for this program......helluva guy! I'll claim him proudly!
 
Has he apologized for the boneheaded Bama play? JG seems like a nice kid. He did go through hell here, and I can appreciate that. But he should still apologize to the fans for that boneheaded, mind boggling, horrendously bad play against Bama.
Eh, the guy was failed by coaching, put in bad positions, schemed against his strengths. It was a bad play......... But bad was the standard he was coached into.
 
He never deserved the animosity he got, he was put in horrible positions, under bad coaching for years. He's a good dude and deserved better. The fact he's not bitter and claims (rightfully) VFL status is a testament to his character and love for this program......helluva guy! I'll claim him proudly!
Guys like JG are going to become an extremely rare breed and really, they have already. His body was destroyed, he had zero chance for success, and he was constantly abused by this fanbase...and yet he still loves both the school that nearly broke him and the fans that excoriated him?

Peak VFL imo
 
Has he apologized for the boneheaded Bama play? JG seems like a nice kid. He did go through hell here, and I can appreciate that. But he should still apologize to the fans for that boneheaded, mind boggling, horrendously bad play against Bama.
You serious, Clark? If so…

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Has he apologized for the boneheaded Bama play? JG seems like a nice kid. He did go through hell here, and I can appreciate that. But he should still apologize to the fans for that boneheaded, mind boggling, horrendously bad play against Bama.
He doesn't have to apologize for **** lmao.

Asinine take.
 
That play haunts my nightmares. He was supposed to hand the ball off. It would have been a TD. Instead, he keeps it, then fumbles, and Bama ran it back. Damn right I'm still not over it. Like I said, he's a good kid. He did suffer bad coaching while here, he did take insane fan-abuse that he shouldn't have got, but he DID make a bad decision in the moment, and it didn't involve coaching.

But I'm fine with calling him a VFL.
 
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The deal with Adidas, according to a source with knowledge of the agreement, is valued at roughly $300 million over that 10-year period. That total includes cash, product, considerations for Name, Image and Likeness, and other benefits.


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> The Nittany Lions and Adidas have entered into a 10-year agreement for the company to become Penn State’s official footwear, uniform, apparel and sideline partner.
The deal with Adidas, according to a source with knowledge of the agreement, is valued at roughly $300 million over that 10-year period. That total includes cash, product, considerations for Name, Image and Likeness, and other benefits.


So much for being Adidas' flagship school
Ours could be more. We are not disclosing the total.
 
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